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Lyme disease redux

Hey. The parade of obviously linked sock/meatpuppet agenda accounts at Lyme disease continues to grow in size and disruptiveness. Latest entrant is Freyfaxi (talk · contribs), just blocked for 31 hours for disruption by Gwen Gale. I'm wondering if you feel uninvolved enough to oversee this rapidly degenerating situation in an administrative capacity. It's your call; if you feel too involved to use the tools, I'll post another request for administrative attention at WP:AN/I, but I'm rapidly tiring of the status quo. MastCell  00:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I already posted a request, and I'm concerned that Je shouldn't be the admin, as his name IRL is accessible. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Sandy - I missed that until after I left my note here. I agree with the concern you raise about real-life repercussions, having done a bit of reading about the tactics involved. MastCell  07:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks (they'll be back :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Je, I've never been clear on how the checkuser page works: when you do this, do you not have to move the case back to active requests to make sure the checkusers look at it, since it's already filed under completed? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The checkusers and clerks watchlist those pages. As a practical matter they will see it, but feel free to transclude and add your own comments to reinforce the request. Jehochman 04:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Weird. After adding a comment as you suggested, I got this response (which is gibberish to me, because obviously if I knew my comment wasn't on topic, I wouldn't have made it, so I have no idea what this person is saying). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I just wasn't sure (had this come up before); do they watchlist them even after they move them to completed requests? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Mostly, yes. I have my preferences set to watchlist every page I edit. Jehochman 05:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks; considering your location, I hope you've factored the concerns here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See Nathan Hale. Jehochman 05:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL !! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA page

Just dropping a line. Durova's opened Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_adminship/Cailil--Cailil 12:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Aye, I posted my opinion and then noticed that the RFA was not transcluded, so I took care of that. The recent trend towards multiple co-noms seems excessively bureaucratic to me, so I have stated my opinions in the support section. Good luck; Try not to watch it too much. During my RFA I polished gamma ray burst to WP:GA status and wrote two WP:DYKs to keep my mind on other things. Jehochman 14:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

True, but...

Well, yeah, it's easy to get along with people when there's mutual respect. Do you have any insight on how to deal with the opposite situation? Or are other people just duffers ;) ? Mackensen (talk) 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Being nice to somebody who does not respect you can pay great dividends. They might befriend you, or if they are cynical, they will wonder what you are planning and the feelings of unease will cause them to avoid you. Giano befriended me after I helped proof read Queluz National Palace. Some of the kids who serve or have served on the Committee may know a lot about wiki, but they still have much to learn about life. (I am about 40.) Jehochman 01:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Giovanni33 puppeting again

I thought you may want to look at this checkuser case, given that you blocked and then unblocked Giovanni for puppeting. Note that Ratatoui has been confirmed as Supergreenred. John Smith's (talk) 19:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI

Your link on your user page to the HGTTG wikiquote page is broken due to a typo. I humbly suggest replacing the existing code with ] -- Kendrick7 04:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Done. Jehochman 04:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Kendrick still vandalising the banned list

I've given him a final warning, though you may want to rectify the entry. John Smith's (talk) 16:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

He's not vandalizing. He has a misplaced, but good faith belief that his actions are helpful. Patience will solve this problem. Jehochman 16:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that WP:SPIDER even applies

I'm not the one trying to make a big deal out of this. This is one line of history in a very long list. -- Kendrick7 16:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

So you are just going to force me to use the requested change template on the talk page. Fine, if that's what it takes. Only admins can write history now? Righttt -- Kendrick7 16:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

We don't solve problems by edit warring. We talk until a consensus is achieved. Jehochman 16:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fair point. If he wants to play around with the page I won't waste any more time worrying about it. John Smith's (talk) 16:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Somebody else will take care of it. There are a lot of eyes on the issue. You need not worry over it. Giovanni33 is going to be subject to a 1 year ArbCom ban. If he continues socking, that will just get extended. If he returns after a year, either he will have turned over a new leaf, or he will swiftly be escorted out of the wiki a second time. The main thing you should do now is watch for socks. Jehochman 16:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, God - do I have to? Well if I see anything of course I will report it. John Smith's (talk) 11:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Firefox 3

Your popular little citation tool isn't compatible with Firefox 3. Any chance of an update? The grapevine is mumbling with requests. Best, Durova 09:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

It is an open source project. If there is a volunteer who'd like to fix the code, I will arrange access for them to upload a revision. Jehochman 12:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll check. Durova 05:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Goodness knows what I did there... Sam Korn 09:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:MOBY

Unfortunately, while this would be a great redirect to Misplaced Pages:Please be a giant dick, so we can ban you, WP:MOBY is already a different page. Neıl 龱 13:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Rats! Jehochman 13:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Admins and editors

Probably because it came from the wheel war debate, but I think "Administrators should avoid performing sysop actions that are likely to antagonize other administrators." should say "Administrators should avoid performing sysop actions that are likely to antagonize other editors and administrators." Any antagonistic sysop action is unhelpful. It's difficult to judge this though. Carcharoth (talk) 14:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Saw this because I'd recently commented here. Or just other "people". Neıl 龱 16:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Two different thoughts merged into one. 1/ Don't do actions likely to be reversed by other administrators. 2/ Don't do actions likely to antagonize other people. Thank you for the suggestion to enumerate these. Jehochman 16:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

religioustolerance.org

I don't think there was any concerted linkspamming going on for that site; rather, especially in the early days of Misplaced Pages, it was one of the few sites that contained information about a lot of different small religious groups and thus got used as a convenient 'more info' link by people writing the earlier versions of many articles.

It's similar to many pages' having links to IMDB despite IMDB not being the most reliable source - it's a convenient and attractive link target if the Misplaced Pages author isn't being all that careful about good sourcing.

It's the typical Misplaced Pages problem - Misplaced Pages being the condensed result of the top 20 Google hits for any topic, regardless of those sites' quality. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Aha. So the site has become Misplaced Pages-specific meme. What's so peculiar is that they are very heavily linked from Misplaced Pages, but not from many other places. How odd, but the internet is a big place so improbable things are bound to happen. Jehochman 21:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jehochman -

I noticed your comments at the AfD for the religioustolerance.org article. In case you haven't seen it yet, you may be interested in this thread: Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#ReligiousTolerance.Org.

Although the article survived AfD, that does not convey reliability for its wide usage on Misplaced Pages. The question of religioustolerance.org as a source comes up regularly (it's been discussed several times in various forums, including a dedicated page here: Misplaced Pages talk:Verifiability/Religioustolerance.org).

Since there is currently a thread running at the RS noticeboard, it seems like a good idea to seek some sort of consensus statement that can be linked when questions come up in the future regarding the use of that site as a source. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 05:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: HeroEngine

While the article might need a bit of cleanup and expansion, I don't get a sense that Elonka was violating COI; she was just trying to clean up the article. Sceptre 17:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

She wasn't merely reverting vandalism. She removed maintenance tags. Given the COI problems she's had in the past, I'd expect her to be much more careful not to create the appearance of COI. She could easily use talk pages to suggest edits and allow a neutral editor to make the changes. Example of this method. She setting a poor example and bringing the project into disrepute. If you've checked the article and are sure the content is neutral, then I don't have a problem with you removing the COI tag. Jehochman 17:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I am not looking for her head on a spike, just some sort of recognition that her edit wasn't best practices and that she'll be smarter going forward. We need good admins who can stop troublemaking. She should not leave herself vulnerable to criticism because that reduces her effectiveness as an administrator. Jehochman 17:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you leave a note on her talk page to say this rather than adding a banner to the article; those things take up unnecessary space and do minimal good in many cases. (Not to mention the fact the Elonka's last edit to the article was a week ago.) —Giggy 09:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have handled a lot of cases at WP:COIN. When we know that a company employee has edited an article about their own stuff, we (COIN partrollers) tag it. As soon as an uninvolved editor reviews the article, they are free to remove the tag. I have left Elonka notes, and I think the issue has been understood. Jehochman 10:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for unblocking me

Thank you, Mr. Jehochman for unblocking me, because I didn't know that deleting of my talk page is a violation so thank you again..... thank you again--Gabriel mark (talk) 05:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

deletion/inclusion of 3tera

• 3tera (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (added Jehochman 17:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

I am writing concerning the deletion of a recent article I submitted about 3tera. It was removed as "blatant advertising". While undoubtedly 3tera is a commercial enterprise, entries about companies does not seem to be inconsistent with Misplaced Pages. There are many thousands of entries for companies along with a description of their services.

In the case of 3tera, they are clearly a pioneer in utility/cloud computing space, clearly meet the notability requirement (included are citations from Linux World, Inc Magazine and Forrester Research, among others) and deserving of mention. Google shows over 5000 brand searches for 3tera every month.

I am having a hard time understanding the distinction between 3tera and Redhat Linux, for example. I certainly don't understand how an article for a company like Flexiscale, http://en.wikipedia.org/Flexiscale can be OK and yet a 3tera submission is viewed as blatant advertising.

Clearly I welcome any additions, edits or contributions regarding 3tera, but it seems clear that an article about them is appropriate and that this should be referenced in the sections about utility computing and cloud computing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonah Stein (talk • contribs) 16:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist messages

I do hope this is some sort of joke. :-D --Wikiacc (¶) 16:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

No, somebody asked me to post it, and though I disagree with watchlist messages, I felt that their good faith request should be honored. I have just nominated the watchlist messages page for deletion. Please do comment! Jehochman 16:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Take it to DRV, but I'm standing by the close. It's a textbook WP:SNOW action. XFD is not to force non-deletion changes. Sceptre 18:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Harassment

Jehochman, your actions towards me are approaching the level of harassment. You are obviously stalking my contribs, you're showing up all over my watchlist, challenging nearly everything I do, and badmouthing me both on-wiki and off-wiki. Please stop. I'm not going to go to the trouble of producing a ton of diffs, but I think you know that I easily could, showing grossly uncivil comments from you towards me and my actions, on multiple pages. In most cases, you refactor within a couple hours, but that's not cutting it, you need to stop the stalking. --Elonka 18:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE. Please take your concerns to User:WJBscribe. I am not going to answer these assumptions of bad faith. Thank you. Jehochman 18:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)