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Merry Christmas everyone. Have a good end of the year.
If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, please leave a message here, or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A watch page has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. - Ottava Rima
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- Delivered by neuro for Garden and ayematthew at 20:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- God almighty! --Malleus Fatuorum 20:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Is that what I THINK it is??? Good gods. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Probably. I lost to San Marino in the qualifying rounds. Embarrassing.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Is that what I THINK it is??? Good gods. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- God almighty! --Malleus Fatuorum 20:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- My plan was to do exactly opposite of everyone else: do the same exact thing I do now and show how crappy other people are by failing miserably. XD Ottava Rima (talk) 21:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- A bad plan, unlikely to impress the twelve-year-olds who now run this site. --Malleus Fatuorum 21:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hahaha. You wouldn't be surprised of the age of my competition. LMAO. I see myself as "the turtle" and they are baby rabbits. I think this competition with push me further in pushing more pages through FAC. Of course, I wont be lowering -my- standards first, so I will probably only get one per month or so. I have 5 sitting around needing to be polished, so that will be fun. I will call on you for the Queens English, and if you copyedit, find short comings, and the rest, I will definitely co nom you. : ) Ottava Rima (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hey! no stealing my copyeditor!! Guess I'll have to bribe him more... Ealdgyth - Talk 22:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hahaha. You wouldn't be surprised of the age of my competition. LMAO. I see myself as "the turtle" and they are baby rabbits. I think this competition with push me further in pushing more pages through FAC. Of course, I wont be lowering -my- standards first, so I will probably only get one per month or so. I have 5 sitting around needing to be polished, so that will be fun. I will call on you for the Queens English, and if you copyedit, find short comings, and the rest, I will definitely co nom you. : ) Ottava Rima (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- A bad plan, unlikely to impress the twelve-year-olds who now run this site. --Malleus Fatuorum 21:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- I have never accepted co noms for copyediting, and I never will. I'll be happy to be proved wrong about this latest badge collecting exercise though, but I won't be holding my breath. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Malleus, you know my definition of "copyediting" is not the standard definition of copyediting as used around here. I need a secondary voice to look at it from another perspective, examine logic, grammar, language, syntax, MoS, structure, placement, etc. I also need a polisher, someone who can tighten language, and someone who can pefect the flow of a paragraph. You did all of this at Johnson and you proved that you are able to take my work and use a fine chisel to make a masterpiece. Also, I'm not going after any badges. I don't think there are any (and if there are, I don't want any). Ottava Rima (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Even with Johnson, I don't feel that there's very much of me in the article, and I still don't feel that I deserved to be listed as a co-nominator. Anyway, that's the past, let's look to the future! --Malleus Fatuorum 22:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- LMAO, you had almost double the edits that I did, and if you compared the two linguistically, there was a huge difference. You short change yourself by a lot. : ) Ottava Rima (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
- Even with Johnson, I don't feel that there's very much of me in the article, and I still don't feel that I deserved to be listed as a co-nominator. Anyway, that's the past, let's look to the future! --Malleus Fatuorum 22:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Malleus, you know my definition of "copyediting" is not the standard definition of copyediting as used around here. I need a secondary voice to look at it from another perspective, examine logic, grammar, language, syntax, MoS, structure, placement, etc. I also need a polisher, someone who can tighten language, and someone who can pefect the flow of a paragraph. You did all of this at Johnson and you proved that you are able to take my work and use a fine chisel to make a masterpiece. Also, I'm not going after any badges. I don't think there are any (and if there are, I don't want any). Ottava Rima (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- I have never accepted co noms for copyediting, and I never will. I'll be happy to be proved wrong about this latest badge collecting exercise though, but I won't be holding my breath. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Getting a bit worried ...
I'm getting a bit worried about your apparently new-found empathy and reasonableness Ottava. You're not trying to prepare the ground for an assault on RfA in 2019 are you? :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 00:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- How did you know he asked me to be a co nom along with Jimbo? Though you missed the date by six years, 2025 seemed like a nice round figure--Wehwalt (talk) 00:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- It would be refeshing to see a voter go neutral or oppose with "try again in sixteen years time". :-) Probably not so refreshing fot Ottava though. :-( --Malleus Fatuorum 01:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I did use that joke with someone else (co-nom with Jimbo thing). Haha. I have enough admin duties to handle over at wikiversity. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Great minds think alike!--Wehwalt (talk) 01:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'd support you Ottava, only because your RfA would be one of the most fun to read ever. Definitely a two-bucket popcorn event. OrangeMarlin 16:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Lucy
Yeah I saw. I'm going to start heavy work on this now; you might keep an eye and jump in when necessary. Obviously I would preffer to see you fully focus in on the page, but if not I understand where you are coming from re FAC stress. However, I would prefer if you, not me, made the co-nom when the time comes. Ceoil (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The Treatment
Thanks for raising a question about my statement, I've tried to clarify my perceptions of the issues. Questions of etiquette and civility are clearly important, but in my view our primary aim is building an encyclopedia according to article content policies, and stamping out rudeness is a failure if it impedes our primary aim. Just my tuppenceworth. . . dave souza, talk 11:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Just remember that my purpose is to treat and lighten things up a bit. What is with trench warfare if you can't have a Christmas with caroling? Even the worse problems need a little joy every once in a while. I like you, and I like KC. But I also like Elonka and some of the other people. I guess I am like Switzerland, sitting back, watching, and fretting because if everyone destroys themselves, who am I going to sell delicious chocolate and watches to? :( Ottava Rima (talk) 16:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- You sell delicious watches? Sounds tasty! . dave souza, talk 17:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- ROFLMAO. I need to rely on dashes to separate out items instead of that. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- And an obscure reference to one of my favorite movies of all time, Joyeux Noël. Although, if you didn't see the movie, I know you're referring to the Christmas truce. However, let us not forget, the war continued for another year. My Swiss watch is beautiful. I can't believe they misspelled Rolex, imprinting it with Rofex. So much for that renowned Swiss quality. OrangeMarlin 16:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ROFLMAO. I need to rely on dashes to separate out items instead of that. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- You sell delicious watches? Sounds tasty! . dave souza, talk 17:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- When you finsh shaking up the AN, AN/I pages, ruffling the feathers of the DYK admins, and being irritably correct on every issue regarding WP pollicy, how's about we knock out a few poetry articles together, get some GA's, FA's, and encounter a whole new gaggle of editors to file frivolous complaints against you?:) Mrathel (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Haha! Yes. I am finishing up some stuff on Henry Fielding. However, I prefer to work on two article tasks at a time. I will work with you while I work on a novel task with Malleus (I tend to like to have one of each type, but no more than two at a time - of poetry, novel, short story, and theatre). I have quite a bit of stuff on Keats, and I should finish this and put it up towards FAC. If you want to help, it would be appreciated. What I am going to do is use that page for the epic as a whole, then have the two individual pages on the poems. The epic as a whole page would go to FAC definitely. There are a lot of Keats poems missing, along with some Blake, Wordsworth, Byron and Shelley missing. I also have Leigh Hunt that I am dying to work on. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
RfA thanks
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Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 80 support, 2 oppose, and 1 neutral. I appreciate all the comments I received and will endeavor to justify the trust the community has placed in me. R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC) |
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WP:RFAR
I have asked for the Elonka matter to be handled as a full case, and copied over all comments. Please strike any comments no longer relevant. Thank you, Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
- I responded with a new set of comments. I will look to see if my old comments were taken over? Ottava Rima (talk) 20:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
RegentsPark's RFA
Hi! Thanks for expressing opinion on the RFA. I would like to know you thoughts on the following:
- I don't see anything in which this user would need admin tools to work in the areas that he wants
- In your view, why do you think that RM does not require admin intervention. And secondly, why a trusted user cannot get admin tools to help the community as and when needed?
- If we already have plenty of highly qualified people in an area, why do we need an unqualified member in the area?
- This does not allow new a person learn on the job, does it? It's like a quaint company policy of refusing to hire freshers.
=Nichalp «Talk»= 07:49, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Moving is simple. You hit the button above and you hit move. If its potentially controversial, you start a consensus on the talk page and go from there. The only time any of it would require an admin is if the move is over a page that already existed or history needed. This is a small, tiny percentage, and there are already plenty of admin that can handle that. Also, learning on the job is meaningless. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
On the literary treatment of spirits...
I had a hankering to spruce up ghost in the manner of vampire, which occupied me for much of 2007. One thing I would really appreciate is some commentary of the use of ghosts in literature (eg in Shakespeare, Dickens, Wilde, as messengers/ etc.) Would you have anything to add? This is one of my weak points. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Would you be delving into the psychological ghosts - works like Wuthering Heights play with ghost folklore to talk about resonating psychological trauma existing in society. They aren't real ghosts (most of the time) but play with the idea. For notable ghosts, there is Jonathan Swift's spirit in Yeats's Words upon the Window Pane (during a seance). In Yukio Mishima's plays there are many ghosts, as with most of Noh drama (ghost plays are a type of "demon" play of the Noh theatre). There is an example of a "fetch" in Aoi no Ue (a woman's spirit is able to leave her body and make a phone call, similar thing sans phone happen in the Tale of Genji).
- Ghosts are a very important part of Japanese (and Asian in general) tradition. There are the "shades" in Homer's the Odyssey (when Odysseus experiences a vision of Hades), and Aeneas travels to the underworld (as with Dante) and sees various shades. However, shades are spirits that have normally passed out of this world and probably shouldn't be merged.
- A famous ghost is the "white lady". The name has been played around with, such as in Wilkie Collin's the Woman in White (she isn't dead, but there is a play on her actually being alive in many scenes). Then you have spirits who may or may not be ethereal - Keats's La belle dame sans merci for example. I'm going to stop for now and get more examples. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, I'd kick myself for not immediately adding these - Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Wordsworth's Lucy poems play with the idea of ghosts and spirits. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Some more - Henry Fielding has Tom Thumb's ghost (killed when swallowed by a cow) murdered in Tom Thumb. Horace Walpole wrote of the first ghost based Gothic novels - Castle of Otranto. The Orestia contains the ghost of Agamemnon, one of the first ghosts in a play. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Where are my manners - the Tale of Genji/Noh Play Aoi no Ue/Mishima's remake Aoi no Ue spirit character is Lady Rokujo. She is one of the most famous Japanese ghosts. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Also - Yotsuya Kaidan. This may give you some things to think about as would this. Ghosts have to be one of the largest topics to discuss. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 03:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Aaargh, I hadn't given much thought to psychological ghosts, and I think touching on them is good. Wuthering Hts is a great example. Dammit, big topic :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Now, a small note (and Awadewit might be able to chime in with her own opinion) - in Wuthering Heights there were two types of psychological ghosts. There was the almost haunting presence of Heathcliff and the drama that comes around that (the constant "demonic" imagery). Then there is the final scene in which there are rumors of the two running about the moors even though they are clearly dead. Also, about ghosts in general, you may want to discuss exorcisms of ghosts. In Noh plays, this idea comes up often. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Samuel Johnson
FA! :) Lexo (talk) 02:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Saw it on the main page, and came here to say the same thing. Congrats... Lithoderm 02:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, nice work indeed.MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's wonderful to see it there at last, congratulations and best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm 22:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, nice work indeed.MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Haha, thanks. But now I have to finish the last part of his early life so I can get that up for his 300th birthday. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Fielding
I don't know why you are asking me this. Surely you know by now that the minimum length of an article for DYK is 1,500 chars, and your two current finished Fielding articles are well over that.
You don't have to do "full" plot summaries but I think for articles about plays there should certainly be a plot summary section giving some idea of what the play is about, even if it's only a paragraph or two. Gatoclass (talk) 02:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thank you
| My RFA passed today at 150/48/6. I wanted to thank you for weighing in, and I wanted to let you know I appreciated all of the comments, advice, criticism, and seriously took it all to heart this past week. I'll do my absolute best to not let any of you down with the incredible trust given me today. rootology (C)(T) 07:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |  |
RfA thanks
Thank you for your comments on my RfA (which passed 70/7/3). I do take your concerns about my experience seriously, and even partly agree with them, and can assure you that I will act with due circumspection on all matters administrative while I figure things out. Thanks! --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 00:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
New Samuel Johnson bios
Did you see this in the Times? Awadewit (talk) 10:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- That may be (??) the first real mainstream mention of his TS ... I told you :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I added in parts of the Martin biography already. I haven't seen the Meyer's biography yet. I haven't heard of "basic books" and I am a little weary about the publisher. It use to be part of a popular publisher, but I don't know about its academic value. The Times article is troubling (but NYT is always troubling!) for phrases like - "No one who had ever seen Samuel Johnson in his infancy (as Jane Austen might have put it) would have predicted that he would interest a biographer." I don't know if that was ever the case, as most child prodigies that could memorize the whole Bible by 7 and could recite ancient Latin and Greek writers from heart by 16 are interesting. Oh gesh ("gives more weight than most biographers to the discovery made over half a century ago, by the editor of her diaries, of references to whips, chains, fetters and padlocks. What Meyers explains as a sadomasochistic pact, Martin puts down to Thrale’s role as “therapist” for Johnson’s fear of insanity.") I think the Meyer's biography needs to be burned. There were fetters and a padlock. No whips. No chains. >.<!!! The author couldn't even get the early biographies correct. At least the Times article is able to recognize that the two recent biographies are not so great.
- But Sandy, people were speculating about TS for a long time. They knew he had "tics". Many of the biographies discuss them but failed to label them as TS. The two from the 90s jumped out and said it. The people who don't accept that he had TS are insane, but you know that already. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed ... but I said it may be the first mainstream (meaning, media) mention of his Tourette's, not just oddities. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, but they use in it a way that makes it seem like an oddity (how the article read to me - Sam Johnson may bore the rest of you, but look at this goofy kid with TS and you'll be bound to want to read about his early life!!). I was disappointed. The woman who they got to write the story doesn't even deal with biographies let alone with Johnson. They just picked her because she is a Harvard liberal that would make the Times seem more smart. Johnson had TS. It isn't something to poke fun of or mock him over. It complicated parts of his early life, but it didn't make him into the clown that the article suggests. ~.~ meh. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed ... but I said it may be the first mainstream (meaning, media) mention of his Tourette's, not just oddities. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- I just sent an angry email with a list of corrections to Price. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
National Register of Historic Places Registration Form
Ottava, Moved your last comment to Talk:New County Jail since it was off topic. Don't care to respond yet, since I am still studying the 64 page PDF document. I had to print it out so I could see all the pages better....--Doug Coldwell 20:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- You did what? How dare you? That comment proved that you had no basis to declare those two sites as notable. That is directly contrary to every principles related to the consensus and talk page process. You should be blocked for your actions, let alone have the pages actually deleted. You are not allowed to do that. I had personal things to attend to, and you pull that stunt and suddenly two people jump in to support a keep? It was 100% impossible to see the pages as notable after I proved that the national register didn't show them as notable -when listing-. You have some nerve. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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- 20:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by J Milburn, on behalf of the judges. 20:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
List of Copyright problems
In regards to the USS Connecticut page and copyright problems in regards to this copyrighted book (looking for phrases that include 3 or more consecutive words that are duplicated and thus violate copyright standards):
- Article: "After an eight-day period known as 'Navy Farewell Week' during which festivities were held for the departing sailors, and all sixteen battleships took on full loads of coal, stores, and ammunition, the ships were ready to depart."
- Original: "The following eight days were known as 'Navy Farewell Week.' The preparations and festivities concerning the fleet's departure were extensive. Every battleship took on coal, stores and ammunition to capacity."
Addition of "full loads" and a few rearrangements but preservation of many original phrasings.
- Article: "After three Japanese men-of-war and six merchantmen escorted the Americans in, festivities began. The celebrations culminated in the village of Uraga, where Commodore Matthew C. Perry had landed 50 years before."
- Original: "Three Japanese men-of-war and six merchantmen joined up as escort. The black hulls of the merchant men were emblazoned with WELCOME in large white letters. Aboard, men, women and children cheered and sang American patriotic songs Their triumph concluded at the village of Uraga, where Commodore Perry landed more than fifty years before."
- Article: "On 2 November, Connecticut led the Presidential Fleet Review in New York and remained in New York until 12 January 1912, when she returned to Guantánamo Bay. During a March overhaul at the Philadelphia Naval Yard, the battleship relinquished her role as flagship to the armored cruiser Washington. After the overhaul's completion, Connecticut's activities through the end of 1912 included practicing with torpedoes in Fort Pond Bay, conducting fleet maneuvers, and battle practice off Block Island and the Virginia Capes"
- Original: "On November 2, USS Connecticut led the Presidential Review of the Fleet in New York. She maintained station in New York waters until January 12, 1912 Following her refit, USS Connecticut spent the rest of 1912 engaged in torpedo practice at Fort Pond Bay, then in fleet maneuvers and battle practice off Block Island and the Virginia Capes."
Three random passages found in addition to the previous problems. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Could you bold the alleged violations, the specific "3 consecutive words"? Grsz 19:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)