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Guess who came to say hi from the Spanish Misplaced Pages, 1? I already let him a good message 2. Hope everything is well with you, --J.Mundo (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Gracias. Tu mensaje en su pagina vale un millon. Es hora que alguien lo ponga en su lugar. Saludos, --J.Mundo (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Te admiro, despues de todo todavia asumes buena fe con estos despotas. Hasta ahora mi interacion con ellos a sido muy negativa. Ellos no entienden el principio de colaboracion y discussion. Aqui todos tenemos nuestro puntos de vista, pero tratamos de trabajar juntos. Ojala que aprendan algo de en.wiki. --J.Mundo (talk) 22:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Black history of PR - Archive

Hello Die4Dixie, sure thing on your request. Both archives #1 and #2 can be found in the articles "talk" page. See the template which starts off like this "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Black history in Puerto Rico article"? At the bottom of that template you will find "Arhives 1, 2". I hope that this helps. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Unblock request

{{unblock|reason}}

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Lifted by blocking admin after discussion Request handled by: Avi (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

• This doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but my knowledge of Spanish dialect and vernacular is weak. Perhaps the blocking admin might explain exactly what the personal attack here is? --jpgordon 06:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Please note that my comments about despots are not directed at Netito, but rather at the power system on the Spanish wiki. I never once said tha tNetito is a despot. In fact, my offer was to help. At the time I was operating under the misconception that he was a new member here, hence my offer of help on his talk page.Die4Dixie (talk) 06:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Jpgordon, please see User talk:Drini#User:Die4Dixie block question. I am loathe to overturn without the blocking admin weighing in, but I think this may be somewhat severe too, unless I'm missing something idiomatic. -- Avi (talk) 06:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

My translation is faithful, and idiomatically correct and not whitewashed in the slightest. In fact, if you do not find it to be so, I welcome any sanction that you feel fitting. There was no vulgarity or personal attack in it. If one cannot critisize the project and continue editing it, or our sister projects, this is a sad day. The blocking admin is a steward. I tried to contact him by email hours ago, and he has not responded. My understanding is that stewards leave small fry stuff to regualar admins. If you know a spanish speaking admin who is not an admin on the spanish wikipedia, I would welcome a review of this block by that person or persons and for a group of admins to come to a consensus.Die4Dixie (talk) 06:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

We need Die4Dixie back! Elsewhere he is actively calming disruption on some difficult articles by engaging constructively and sympathetically with editors who are having trouble with the editing process. Here he was engaging in a cordial exchange. I cannot tell if the edit was improper or not, but if blocks are to avoid disruption rather than punish, D4D is not a disruptive editor. Wikidemon (talk) 06:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

This is not a personal attack, it's a rant, a bit uncivil but worthy of a friendly warning at most. I think this user should be unblocked.

Die4Dixie, invective metaphors in Latinate languages often sound harsher than they might in English. It's ok to write in Spanish here now and then but for any strongly worded, sweeping criticisms, you might think about sticking to English on en.Misplaced Pages. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am headed out in an hour or so to catch a flight, and may be out of internet access for hours. It appears that there is significant movement to unblock, but I apologize, Die4Dixie, in not summarily doing so, as blowing this up into "dramaz" would probably do more harm than good. If Drini has not commented by the time I get access back, I may reconsider. -- Avi (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, I may do it myself if we don't hear from the blocking admin soon. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Translation of commentfor which I was blocked

La verdad es que espero que aprenda él un poco acerca de como edificar un proyecto colaborativo y que regrese a Wiki es. con un poco de perspectiva. Wiki es. podría hacer bien en imitar lo que tenemos por áca. En mi vida he visto bibliotecarios tan caprichosos. Parece que creen el proyecto español es su encomienda personal. Son unos déspotas y siempre echan mucha crema a sus tacos. Pues, mi oferta es sincera, y si hay algo en lo que le puedo ayudar, lo haré. Cuídate. D4D

The truth is that I hope he learns something about building a collaborative project and that he returns to the spanish wiki with a little bit of perspective. Wiki es could do well imitating what we have here. I have never seen such capricious admins. It apperas that they believe that the Spanish project is their personal fief. They are despots and always think so much of themselves. Well, my offer is sincere, and if there is anything i can do to help him, I´ll do it. Take care.Die4Dixie (talk) 05:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}}

Please do not use {{adminhelp}} for this case. The blocking admin has been notified by Avraham (talk · contribs) to reconsider his decision and I personally would agree that a block without warnings was uncalled for. But no admin will (or at least should) overturn this decision until Drini (talk · contribs) had time to comment. Until then any use of {{adminhelp}} in this matter will just be regarded unnecessary. Regards SoWhy 07:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I certainly wasn´t trying to abuse the system. It is unfortunate that drini has made a decision and then immediately made himself unavailable to discuss it.Die4Dixie (talk) 07:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean to imply that you tried abusing it, I just wanted to clarify. Unfortunately in such situations the only thing you and I can do is wait for drini to respond or until he had enough time to. Everything else would just get us into wheel-warring. Enjoy Misplaced Pages read-only for now, I'm sure you'll soon be able to edit again, one way or another. Regards SoWhy 07:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, your the third admin to stop by and voice a concern about the block. Heck, if a few more of ya´ll´d drop by, we could build a concensus :D.Die4Dixie (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't use Spanish on the English wiki

Die4Dixie has asked me by email to take a look at this block. Unfortunately I do not read Spanish so I do nor know what prompted the block in the first place. I do know that language has subtleties that do not translate well, and I do know that people sometimes use another language quite deliberately in order to avoid censure. So although my overall feeling is that this block was probably unwarranted, and that you should have been warned, and that had you said what you said in English I would definitely unblock you, I'm not going at the moment. Sorry :-( Theresa Knott | token threats 09:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your comments.The discussions started in English, and when addreesd in Spanish I reverted to it eventually. I imagine that there are those who do use other languages to evade censure;however, this is not one of those cases. I am contented to wait until drini graces us with his presence and his justifications for the block. When it is lifted or expires, I request that my userpage be undone and my account retired and erased. When users with relaltionships with stewards can have those same arbitrarily block other users without warning and under specious reasons, and then leave so that their actions cannot be reviewed, then the idea of a community project based on rules and collaboration become the playround of capriciousness. Without his input, I cannot be unblocked, even though several community members have expressed a consensus of concern (note that I do not claim a consensus to be unblocked, just concern). In instances like these abusive blocks without even the courtesy of a block notice so that when a user goes to edit he becomes aware of the block is pretty poor behaviour. It appears that lowly editors don´t merit explanations when stewards unilaterally decide to smash flies with sledgehammers while the rest of the community has to wait for an explanation. I´m not particularly bitter about this, just enlightened. Thank you all for your having looked into this farcical drama, and for your comments. Please do not be sorry, Teresa, as you have done nothing for which you should feel the need to apologize. On the other hand, it is I who thank you for having taken the time to look it over.Die4Dixie (talk) 10:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

If it gets overturned, I would say you have no reason to be bitter. After all, it would prove that it was not okay to block you and that consensus is on your side. No matter what happens, I really hope you don't want to leave just because of such an action - some of the best admins here were blocked one time or another. It happens, life goes on. Or to say it from your perspective: If you leave because of that, those people you think that they want to get you down, they will have succeeded. SoWhy 12:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Feedback

Ok, here's the whole thing. First jmundo makes attacks, and is warned. Jmundo makes sarcastic remarks and dismisses the warnign. Then he joins in and calls netito "cara dura" (sinverguenza, cynic) and qualifies him of a "pendejo" (makes pendejadas). Then he, weaseling calls netito a despot and here's a subtle point, because since he knows netito is a sysop, he's telling netito to go away, he's implying that netito "is a despot and should go somewhere else" Giving that he was aware that calling other users off is not acceptable (because he starts disparaging precisely after a NPA warning), I sanctioned. Overrule if you want, but I stand for my block. -- m:drini 12:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

And also must be considered that this user is not a newbie, including blocks for incivility, ensures this user already knows that attacks are not allowed. So the whole "I get a free pass for a warning" smacks of the kids who mess articles and say "I can't be blocked, I know I have a right to warnings first". This is specially aggravating because his comments are cheering sarcasm and disdain exactly after a civility warning. -- m:drini 12:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Yoou have completely misconstrued those comments and you have lied. When I said Qué cara más dura you know good and well it is not calling someone a sinverguenza. It doesn´t have anything like that force, but is more like "he has some nerve" I never called him a pendejo and you know it it. I was talking about actions not attavking him. There is nothing subtle. You have mendaciously reported this and misconstrued it. You know this block was unjustified and now you have come here saying that saying an action is a pendejada is tantamount to calling a user a pendejo. It ain´t so, and you have taken adavantage of these other users lack of command of Spanish to justify the same kind of behaviour that goes on at the Spanish Misplaced Pages here. It won´´t fly. Reduce it to time served? I didn´t do a thing that was worthy of a block, much less a warning.Die4Dixie (talk) 18:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Would you be willing to reduce it to time served with the idea that now the user will be much more aware of ciility issues? Sevnty-two hours is usually applied for third offenses of 3RR and such. -- Avi (talk) 12:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, actually I will lift it now. I think the whole issue has been cleared. -- m:drini 13:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Drini. If there is a next time, and I hope there will not be, AFTER this discussion, a longer block (3days to a week) would be called for. -- Avi (talk) 13:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually Jmundo is still blocked.--Cerejota (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Another admin unblocked.--Cerejota (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• I am glad to see that the block has been lifted. I have unblocked User: Jumdo on the grounds that a block should be used only as a last resort after all attempts to an open civil dialogue between the parties involved over issues have failed. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock cleared a short time ago. Request handled by: —Travis 18:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

Forum shopping

Please stop trying to get users to comment on a specific steward election. If you continue abusing your e-mail, or your editing privileges you will likely get blocked. Thank you for understanding. --Kanonkas :  Talk  21:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I have emailed noone about that. My emails have all been about getting unblocked. I invite you to substantiate your unfounded and intemperate accusation of email abuse and strike your comments. His behaviour here is a reflection of his judgment and is perfectly within the scope of my editing priveledges. Forum shopping is not what this is, and I am able to comment on whatever election process is ongoing in any of these projects. I have the priviledge of informing users of these proceeding. As you will note, I did not suggest in anyway how they should vote, and I felt that they might have an insight into this particular steward´s suitability for office. Agin, please retract your comments.Die4Dixie (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You are right - I misunderstood the comment by User:Dcoetzee. As such it's my error, and I apologize. I'd still like to remind you that wikipedia is not a democracy. The edits that were brought up on AN were not appropriate (even if it wasn't forum shopping). Theresa makes a good comment, and I hope you were not offended by my comment. I hope we both can put this incident on our sides, and continue to edit in a collegial atmosphere. Best regards, --Kanonkas :  Talk  22:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem . Thanks for clarifyingDie4Dixie (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Canvassing is stupid. All it does is make you look bad, and pretty much ensures any oppose votes will be ignored. I think the fact that you feel so upset by the block is clouding your judgment. Take my advice - a nice cup of tea, a movie or a book, or a cuddle with a loved one are good ways of calming down. Don't edit again for a good 24 -36 hours until you feel serene. Don't get me wrong, you have every right to feel upset, just don't edit while you are still smarting. Theresa Knott | token threats 22:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I´m not sure that informing two users of an election would qualify as canvassing. Thank you for your comments, and I value your opinion. A burrito and a glass of iced tea might be just the ticket.Die4Dixie (talk) 22:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

I strongly suggest to all of the parties involved to put an end to the fighting and to stop accusations and interacting in heated disputes with each others. In the event that this does not seem possible then ask for the intervention of a mediator (Not me because I am burned out from three previous mediations and I need a rest). Thank You. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Pehaps you could take care of the request I left at drini´s page.Die4Dixie (talk) 22:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• Die4Dixie, I refuse to let you go from the project because of the squabbles involved and I ask you to reconsider. I believe that these things happen and will pass on (I have been through worse). I also believe that you are too valued a contributor to simply give up and go. Hang in there and wheather the storm, personally in my life I have no room for giving up. Let this thing blow over and if you ever need advice from me, please do not hesitate to ask. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I responded by email.Die4Dixie (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

AN thread

I think the block you were given was not needed, but arose from a good faith outlook on a non-English rant you'd written, which to me anyway, sounded a lot meaner in Mexican Spanish than it would have done in English, with Anglo-Saxon idiom. This happens all the time between languages, wherein even shared words wontedly have sundry strengths and meanings. However, your behaviour towards the blocking admin, who lifted your block, is getting out of hand. Please see the warning I left you at AN. A short block for something like this is not a big deal at all, but you're making it into one. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Editing survey

Hi Die4Dixie. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Misplaced Pages. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.

Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d

Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 13:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Howdy

Hi there, I hadn't seen you around much lately and kind of missed your presence and editing. Good to see you around the encyclopedia. As always, if anyone gives you flak just for having a conservative sensibility, let me know and I'll give them some what for. Cheers, Wikidemon (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully, with my previous userpage blanked, it will be less of an issue. I´ll likely stick more to religion nad leave the politics out. It seems like there was a lot of activity after my vacation started, and that there is a new crew. I´ll try to "speak softly".--Die4Dixie (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

"Incorrect"

I think that the word "incorrect" in these items is not a big deal. There is a fraction of the public which has been actively misled on this topic, and a larger fraction which is too intellectually lazy to look any farther than Barry O's middle name. It is not "synthesis" in any meaningful sense of the word to point out that such beliefs are incorrect. It's like I said when somebody asked whether we should list the Savior as one of M.L. King's key influences, "This falls under the 'water is wet' category." --Orange Mike | Talk 12:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Your point is well made; sort of tends toward WP:UNDUE. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Unusual/interesting in the Amelia Earhart article

Hi Dixie, I was amused at your efforts to characterize these words as "peacock" terms and noting that you have made no other contributions to the article nor stated any source for your edits. If you check the paragraphs both directly above and below the passage that is in dispute, you will find ready references to the many different ("unusual?!") jobs that Amelia undertook. Her choices were always predicated on whether she found the vocation interesting. At this juncture in her life, she was in her 20s, had been a nurse and telegraph operator, completed courses at university but basically was living off her parent's inheritance. When she had to pay for flying lessons, she approached her father and mother and although receiving a stipend, needed more funds, especially since her ambition was to purchase an aircraft. She then entered a commercial art school, started a photography business, and was even approached to smuggle liquor by air (an offer which she rejected but was "tickled" to have someone consider her capable of doing that). Her life was one series of adventures and whole chapters have been written by numerous authors and biographers that document her choices in jobs concluding that a love of adventure was one of the prime motivators that drove her. One of her books is entitled The Fun of It (1932) but then again, you knew that, being the Earhart scholar that you are (LOL). Regardless, there are countless references to her choices in jobs and I have put the first one I could find at hand, into the article. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC).

I responded on your talkpage.--Die4Dixie (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You have misunderstood, I have referenced a second-hand source, Goldstein and Dillon's landmark biography. Are we being obtuse for a reason?! FWiW, no need to go on... Bzuk (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC).

August 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Please note that the page is on probation and thus under 3RR will still be considered as edit warring. Please discuss and abide by the consensus on the page. Brothejr (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Not my editwar. It is you wikilawyering to keep inappropriate content in violation of WP:RS and UNDUE.--Die4Dixie (talk) 20:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect, since it doesn't fall within BLP-vio or vandalism it is your editwar.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Please be careful about the 3RR, wouldn't want to see you get in trouble. I think there's a serious discussion on the article talk page about removing quotations that are excessive in length or are not of due weight. This one seems like a good candidate for removing but that's a content matter, and 3RR / EW applies to content decisions even when your content position is the right one. Wikidemon (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

To the latter: Ditto.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 22:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"Commies" are not secretly under your bed

DO NOT place such baseless, absurd, and paranoid allegations like this one on my talk page again. If you do I will report such attempts of harassment for administrative review. If you want to host your own personal HUAC on your own time, that is fine - but don't expect Misplaced Pages to be a place for such sycophantic non-sense. It is quite frankly none of your damn business what particular political ethos I subscribe to, and I certainly will not be sharing my personal information with someone who believes that editing articles on "revolutionaries", makes one secretly a "phantom Marxist revolutionary themselves". It is now glaringly obvious why you have edit-warred in defense of the "birthers" on that particular article, as you apparently also suffer from similar delusions that everyone is secretly conspiring against you.   Redthoreau (talk)RT 23:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It was not an allegation. It was a politely worded question. Your extreme response and person attacks lead me to think that there must be a grain of truth to the inklings that led me to ask you. My edits were not in defense of "Birthers", it was indefense of the project that you have so transparently attempted to hijack. Thanks for answering my question so unequivocally. Hombre prevenido vale por dos. You need not worry . I would never try to expose you academically. I certainly don´t want to play Joe McCarthy with you.... But he did have some validity. I am guessing litle "c", since you have likely taken a couple of oathes."Hasta la Victoria Siempre" indeed!.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)