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Deletion of page the_quietus

As referred to here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Quietus

Hi MBisanz. Re. the deletion of the page referring to UK music website The Quietus. I have prepared a collection of references and links substantiating the information in the deleted article.

Quietus winning Student Choice award at UK Industry Record of the Day Awards: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:http://www.nme.com/news/the-clash/41357

Commentary on Metallica event explaining why The Quietus was the origin of the story, including Metallica apologising to The Quietus. Further sources are also available. Wired.com reports on Metallica incident featuring interview with Quietus editor: http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/06/metallica-kills/ Wired magazine interview with Quietus editor regarding incident: http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/06/pasture-of-mupp/ Metallica apologise to the Quietus: http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=600942

Since then, there have been other notable events where the Quietus has led or broken stories, I have URL and Misplaced Pages references if required. The Quietus is increasingly discussed online on many music blogs and websites. Again, do please contact me for references.

I would be grateful if you could reinstate the Quietus page at your earliest convenience, but please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions you might have —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.162.248 (talk) 16:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I was simply the closer of the AFD and do not actually evaluate the article. I have asked Lankiveil to look at this since s/he did comment on the contents and would be more familiar with it. MBisanz 15:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:FLVDownloaderMainWindowScreenshot.jpg

Hello MBisanz! This is a screenshot of a software program by BinaryMark that I created, so in effect I am the copyright holder for the screenshot. If there is something I must do, like change the license, please let me know, as I am realtively new to uploading content to Misplaced Pages. George585 (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2009

Copyright for the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Anil_aggrawal%27s_internet_journal_of_forensic_medicine_and_toxicology.jpg

Dear Matt, Many thanks for your kind message. This picture was created by me, and I have sent an Email as suggested by you. Please let me know, if I have to do anything else. Warm Regards Anil Aggrawal

15:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it Misplaced Pages's policy to discourage the use of photos in articles?

The process for uploading images and certifying permissions at Misplaced Pages seems to have been designed by lawyers for lawyers, and I doubt it is making anyone happy except the lawyers. On uploading Gladstein,jpg and Barbarabranden.jpg, I received a demand for permission directly from the copyright holders. I obtained permission by email from Dr. Gladstein and Ms. Branden, respectively, and forwarded it promptly to the address mentioned in the demand: permissions-en@wikimedia.org. Yet after one week both images were deleted anyway, without any communication from that address as to what was defective in the permissions.

Is there any point in emailing permissions to that address? Does a human being review them there, or do they pile up ignored, while the automatic deletion machine keeps running?

If Misplaced Pages doesn't want images in articles, it should announce that this is its policy.-RLCampbell (talk) 14:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No! We do want images! I will look into what occurred here as it is not what should have occurred. MBisanz 14:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for helping out with these. There is still a major need for simplifying and clarifying the image uploading and clearance process. The present system is pretty well designed to protect Misplaced Pages from being sued (obviously a serious concern), very poorly designed to help editors bring in material that will enhance Misplaced Pages articles and will not result in any legal problems.-RLCampbell (talk) 15:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Marianela Núñez seven deadly sins.jpg

Hi, thanks for the heads up, looks like someone changed the Summary on my picture, I have replaced it with a link to the cc image on flickr. I ought to move it to commons. Scillystuff (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, thank you, that is perfect. MBisanz 23:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Image deletions

You destroyed my work? That's extreme, and that's vandalism. I propose deleting the text of every page that you've edited unless you email permissions-en@wikimedia.org with a copy of every edit you made claiming copyright and listing the original publication. Ojw (talk) 07:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. I would be more than happy to talk with you further about a specific image. MBisanz 23:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Temp review

Hi, you closed an AfD on Serpentine Avenue with delete. Any chance you could restore this article temporarily so I can see how to overcome the objections rather than me starting the article again from scratch? Thank you! --HighKing (talk) 12:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the same for Pembroke Road, thank you! --HighKing (talk) 12:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I emailed you the 2 articles. MBisanz 23:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Got 'em, thanks. --HighKing (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Conf.

Matt, how did your conference presentation go? Were there questions? Tony (talk) 17:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

My presentation wasn't that good, lack of preparation time, other speakers who were better, etc. The impromptu presentation I led on the topic of "What is left to write about" went much better. We identified some systemic issues, ways of approaching them, etc. I hope the video is posted soon. MBisanz 23:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I can't imagine it wasn't interesting and worthwhile from your notes; speakers themselves are often the most critical of their performance. Cheers. Tony (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Let me know if you post some links. It would be interesting to check out (and to critique :). ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Assistance

Hi Matt,

I am fairly new to Wiki and would love your assistance on correcting a small error I made with the links on On The Bench. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Lgoodall —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lgoodall (talkcontribs) 17:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you help me in re-creating the Darryl Leiter web page?

Hello Matt,

I am relatively new to Misplaced Pages and have I have just become aware that my page titled Darryl Leiter was deleted on the basis that it appeared not satisfy the WP:PROF criteria. I wish to point out that this was not a fair decision since, as shown by the short summary of my vita listed below, the quality of my research and teaching career most certainly satisfies the WP:PROF criteria. Based on this fact would you help and advise me as to how re-create the Darryl Leiter page the content of which would be the short summary of my vita listed below? Thank you for your help with this matter and I look forward to reading your replies.

Dr. Darryl Leiter University of Virginia djl2b@virginia.edu

              SHORT SUMMARY OF CURRICULUM VITA FOR DR. DARRYL LEITER

Dr. Darryl J. Leiter obtained his Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics from Brandeis University in 1964. During the15 year period from 1964 to 1979 as an associate professor of physics he taught undergraduate and graduate courses in physics at Boston College, University of Windsor, Central Michigan University, and George Mason University. During the 1979-1981 and 1992-1994 time periods he was a Senior Research Associate at the National Aeronautic Space Agency, Goddard Space Flight Center. He has published more than 50 key research papers in a number of fields, including elementary particle theory, relativity and gravitational theory, quantum mechanics, and x-ray astronomy, in journals such as Annals of Physics, Physical Review, American Journal of Physics, Nature, Astrophysical Journal. Recently he published a book The A to Z of Physicists. New York: Facts on File, 2003, which is an encyclopedia of biographies of 150 great physicists, including explanations of their contributions written at level which can be understood by high school students.

Currently Dr Darryl Leiter is a research astrophysicist affiliated with the University of Virginia and the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Charlottesville Virginia. He is currently collaborating with an astrophysical team at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center For Astrophysics that is performing research leading to the development a new theory of quasar structure involving Magnetospheric Eternally Collapsing Objects (MECO). In a series of nine seminal published papers by Darryl Leiter, Stanley Robertson, and Rudolph Schild listed below, quantitative observational and theoretical arguments have been given supporting the existence of intrinsically Magnetospheric Eternally Collapsing Objects (MECO), which contain strong intrinsic equipartition magnetic fields in lieu of event horizons. These papers were the first to offer observational and theoretical evidence, based General Relativity and The Strong Principle of Equivalence, that: a) MECO could exist in the Universe and, b) Active Galactic Nuclei actually contained MECO instead of Black Holes.


1. "Evidence for Intrinsic Magnetic Moments in Black Hole Candidates", S. Robertson and D. Leiter, Astrophysical J., 565, 447 (2002),

2. "Does the Principle of Equivalence Prevent Trapped Surfaces From being Formed in the General Relativistic Collapse Process?", D. Leiter, A. Mitra and S. Robertson, (2001),

3. "Does the Principle of Equivalence Prevent Trapped Surfaces From being Formed in the General Relativistic Collapse Process?", D. Leiter and S. Robertson, Foundations of Physics Lett., Vol. 16, pp.143 (2003),

4. "On Intrinsic Magnetic Moment in Black Hole Candidates", S. Robertson and D. Leiter, Astrophysical J. Lett., 596, L203 (2003),

5. "On the Origin of the Radio/X-Ray Luminosity Correlation in Black Hole Candidates", S. Robertson and D. Leiter, Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc., 350, 1391, (2004),

6. "Robertson, S., & Leiter, D., ApJ, 565, 447,(2002),

7. "Robertson, S., & Leiter, D., ApJ, 596, L203,(2003),

8. "Robertson, S., & Leiter, D., MNRAS, 350, 139, (2004),

9. "Schild, R., Leiter, D., & Robertson, S., AJ, 132, 420, (2006),


—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.152.89 (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Marc-parts supervisor- edited.jpg

You tagged this as No permission, but isn't that implied in the self tags?

Granted this might be deletable for other reasons. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The PD-self tag does imply that. But given that the uploader had an ill-intentioned purpose in uploading it, that the name in the file name does not match the-uploader's name, and that the picture was taken at work and we don't know if it was taken as part of a company promotion (since the uploader never says "I took it of my friend"), I tagged it. MBisanz 16:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Peaceman3.jpg

You have tagged this image as no-permission, i see no evidence on the Image page suggest anything against a self claim?

Care to explain why you seem to be tagging images for no-permission which are self tagged?

If there's an issue, try nominating them to WP:PUI instead.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, a copyvio at , thanks for the reminder on PUI though. MBisanz 17:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Mario Dominello, Hellen Dominello and Angela.JPG

Please explain why this is tagged as no-permission, when I can't see any evidence on the page to suggest anything other than a 'self'. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, it is a copyvio of an actor's headshot mashed with another image. You can see a version of the original at . MBisanz 16:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from PCBoard Programming Executable

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re BC mentorship

I assume that you are aware of this and have concluded that it does not violate BC's terms, especially section 2 and the various subsections ii) and iii). Cheers, LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware of it. My thought was that it does not exist on en.wiki (I can't delete it for instance), it does not edit en.wiki, and it's output isn't something that explicitly would lead to an edit by another person in the same way this page would. Does that seem like a fair assessment? MBisanz 20:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. I could see that some people may have had the concerns I had, and might also question how it might impinge on his terms. Since it is not covered by the terms then his advocacy for the tool is also fine. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Motorcycling WikiProject

Is it possible that one of your bots can tag all the project article as stub-class which have the motorcycling stub {{Motorcycle-stub}} in the articles for our recently formed assessment department? I estimate about 500+ articles use the stub. If you are not the best person to deal with this, please advise me. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 20:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe User:Anomie is much more skilled than me in this area. MBisanz 20:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the speedy reply. ww2censor (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Requesting clerk assistance

Hersfold has been clerking the Abd-WMC case but he's out for another week or so (the break from that noisy case will doubtless be good for his sanity...) In the meantime banned User:Nrcprm2026 has submitted evidence as the CU confirmed sockpuppet User:Navy Physics Geek. Could you strike that evidence please? Thanks - Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 21:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Handled. MBisanz 22:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up on Teleprompter usage by Barack Obama

As you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Teleprompter usage by Barack Obama, you might be interested in WP:ANI#Editors failing to abide by AFD consensus at Public image of Barack Obama. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm really not interested in it, but I've commented anyway. MBisanz 23:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
What, you don't want to be haunted by every AfD you've ever closed? ;) – Luna Santin (talk) 23:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess I can accept that, as long as I can haunt you for your equally large number of checkusers. MBisanz 00:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Images you deleted

Your delete summary for these images was (Deleted because "WP:CSD#F5". using TW) However WP:CSD#F5 states: "Images and other media that are not under a free license or in the public domain, that are not used in any article, may be deleted after being identified as such for more than seven days."

These images clearly did not meet this criteria for a number of reasons:
1 - They had valid fair use claims
2 - They currently in use at Music of Command & Conquer which deals with the individual albums and is not a discography. See Music of Final Fantasy VII or any of the FF music articles for example of the format Music of Command & Conquer was being adapted to.
3 - The images where deleted before the required 7 day period after tagging the images was up. Infact, to my knowledge they where not tagged but simply deleted on a whim.

I therefore, kindly ask you to restore these images asap and would also request an explanation to why these images where deleted in the first place.

Thanks -- Cabe6403 01:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the article in question, they have not been in it since this edit, so they were orphaned. Also, I am aware you cannot see the deleted revision, but I have re-checked each deleted image, and they were all tagged at least 7 days ago for deletion per WP:CSD#F5. And, it does not matter if there is a valid fair use claim, since any non-free images that are orphaned are deleted regardless of a claim. MBisanz 01:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
They where removed in that edit as the article was then Discography of Command & Conquer, consensus was that as a discography article it could not have images. I was in the process of moving the page over to Music of Command & Conquer which would mean the use of these images was permissible. I was just about to restore the images (thus making them no longer orphaned) when you deleted them. As such I would again ask you to restore the images so I can use them in Music of Command & Conquer. Thanks -- Cabe6403 15:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, all restored. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't taking sides in a content dispute. MBisanz 15:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That's understandable, thank you for restoring the images -- Cabe6403 16:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Relative

I actually am impressed by your work with cleaning up images. Keep up the good work. Are you related to Durin? :-) -OberRanks (talk) 01:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Nope, I wish, I am just User:MBisanz/Infobox. MBisanz 02:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

US Airways Express image

Hello,

The article US Airways Express is on my watch list, and I noticed that the ImageRemovalBot removed the US Airways Express logo from the article, stating that the image had been deleted. Upon checking the deletion log for the image, I saw that the rationale for deletion was F5, regarding orphaned images. The image, however, could not have been orphaned because it was in fact being used in the US Airways Express article.

So, I'm wondering if this was just a glitch, or if there was some other reason why the image was deleted (e.g., incorrect license or file summary).

Thanks, —BMRR (talk) 02:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems the image system was a bit out of sync due to the Toolserver database being re-imported, I'm checking some things now. MBisanz 02:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I went back and found where Bjweeks bot was using bad data to tag thing, I've undeleted and restored all the affected images. MBisanz 02:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! —BMRR (talk) 02:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you help me improve an article so it becomes notable?

Can you help? please visit my User Page. (OMGILOVEPEAS (talk) 03:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

Re: File:STHeadingBearingIMG.jpg

You say the creator of the image didn't give permission to upload this file - Well I AM the creator of the image. I even state that under the image "Created in 3D Studio and Photoshop CS by Cyberia23 for illustrative purposes." But really I'm not going through the BS to prove it because the image isn't even being used anymore anyway - the article it was part of was deleted so feel free to delete it too. Cyberia23 (talk) 04:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

My reason for tagging was the part about Paramount owning the copyright to the designs. I took that to mean you used a template in 3D Studio and dropped their designs into it. If that is not the case, I can untag the image. MBisanz 04:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
The 3D models weren't made by me, they were taken off a website. Been a while so I don't remember what the site is anymore. I'm not sure what the copyright for that would be or if they are even copyrighted. The site has all kinds of spaceship models from Trek to Star Wars and I think they are all fan made. Anyway this image isn't even being used anymore, the article it was part of was deleted. It's now an orphan file, so if you want to delete it go ahead. Cyberia23 (talk) 04:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Ahh, ok, I understand now. Thanks. MBisanz 04:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

New request for clarification on Obama arbcom case

Hi - I've filed a new request here and could use some help notifying User:ChildofMidnight, with whom I am enjoined from having any contact. Thanks. Wikidemon (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Given he's commented at the new thread, I'll assume he is aware of it. MBisanz 14:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit throttle

Maybe someone should be keeping a closer eye:

  • , , , , 5 in 10 minutes
  • , , , , 5 in 10 minutes
  • , , , , 5 in 6
  • , , , , 5 in 9
  • , , , , , 6 in 8, but 2 are from a user talk page not his own, but the restrictions don't specify that the editing throttle apply only to article space.

More than once he's missing hitting 6 by a single minute and he's already been mistaken for a bot once.--Crossmr (talk) 03:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree this warrants further discussion/review. I have asked Hersfold and Betacommand to comment here. MBisanz 04:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In this series of edits he has 9 in 20 minutes spread out in such a way that you can start in various 10 minute periods and get more than 4 in 10.
  1. 12:41, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Salvadori's Pheasant ‎ (+ image) (top)
  2. 12:39, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Pseudotropheus saulosi ‎ (+ image) (top)
  3. 12:38, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Plethodontohyla serratopalpebrosa ‎ (+ image) (top)
  4. 12:37, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Plethodontohyla coudreaui ‎ (+ image) (top)
  5. 12:31, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Plectropomus laevis ‎ (+ image) (top)
  6. 12:29, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Pallas's Fish-eagle ‎ (+ image) (top)
  7. 12:27, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Orinoco Softtail ‎ (+ image) (top)
  8. 12:24, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Olrog's Gull ‎ (+ image) (top)
  9. 12:21, August 7, 2009 (hist) (diff) Northern Pudu ‎ (+ image) (top) this series overlaps with the 2nd example given above--Crossmr (talk) 08:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
All three of these are issues. Some of it appears a week or so old, but other things are very fresh and need to be dealt with. Since Hersfold is on vacation and I want to make sure I don't act hastily, I have gone ahead and pung Roger Davies since he wrote the restrictions. MBisanz 13:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Even if they're more than a week old, its a pattern of behaviour since his unblock and given the communities displeasure with him he shouldn't get a pass because it escaped notice. He was indef'd and unblocked but I don't know if arbcom was notified of that. I didn't see anything linked from the restrictions page. The tone of those restrictions seemed zero tolerance and to be honest I don't know why he was unblocked after violating his restrictions just 25 hours after being unbanned.--Crossmr (talk) 14:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree there is a pattern here in his edits that must be looked at, that he must explain, and that I must decide what to do. I do think a few hours grace for him and hopefully Roger Davies to also comment will not prevent a conclusive outcome. MBisanz 14:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Free-Image content work

I'd like clarification on this restrction subject to a 0RR restriction on any free-content-image-related work and related talk pages; and how it might relate to these two reverts: and .--Crossmr (talk) 08:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Already broken the restrictions

I also find it rather disturbing that he had in fact already broken his editing restrictions only 25 hours after his unban and is already on yet another last chance. I'm adding this because I don't see a notice about it in your talk page archive. To me this is just too much. He's got at least 5 clear violations of his editing restrictions and already been given one chance in the middle of that to try it again.--Crossmr (talk) 10:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The Quietus

Sorry about the delay responding, I've been across the country at GLAM-WIKI and haven't had time for any hard wiki work the past few days. I'll investigate and see what I can remember, and respond directly to the user. Lankiveil 10:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC).

Thanks. MBisanz 13:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Ping

PeterSymonds would like to nominate you to become a bureaucrat. Please visit Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship#About RfB to see what this process entails, and then contact PeterSymonds to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Misplaced Pages:Requests for bureaucratship/MBisanz . If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Good luck. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks you :) MBisanz 14:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to be away much of the day, but I've got this watchlisted and I'll check back tonight. Best of luck. - Dank (push to talk) 14:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Clerk help needed

Hi. We could use clerk assistance re a problem raised here: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William M. Connolley/Workshop#Away. The workshop page is too large and a user can't load it into their browser.

I think I'm going to move comments that are within collapse boxes off the page. I think that will help with page loading. I think I'll replace them with diffs or links to page history containing the same information. I may also shorten some of Abd's comments. He has given me permission to do this in general: . I would also include a link to the original comment. Please let me know if I shouldn't do either of these actions.

Thanks! ☺Coppertwig (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Lemme take a whack at it first, give me about a dozen edits. MBisanz 15:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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