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; User talk:Pookzta
] was blocked by JzG for a "truther agenda", in JzG's own words, his violations were:
# "disruptive campaigning over the deletion of {{la|Judy Wood}}."
# being a "]"
# "obsessive use of doctoral titles" (no violation here)
# "discussions take the form of endless repetition of the same assertions without modification or concession to the points made." (i.e. not agreeing with editors whose POV JzG personally supports).

Should a administrator who calls editors edits a "truther agenda" and who acknowledges that:
:"I have a negative view of ] who are here to push ] at all costs and who ] and who show no signs at all of understanding and learning from feedback. The context of long-term POV-pushing by Truthers is only a minor factor in this. And yes, I also have a negative view of anyone who is here to push fringe views, that is by no means restricted to 9/11 nor is it a problem"
Be blocking editors with alternative views?

After Arthur Rubin replied on blocked editors Pookzta page on 06:34, 10 April 2010,, at 21:13, 10 April 2010 JZG gave Arthur Rubin a barnstar calling Pookzta, a "clueless n00b". Should an administrator continue to launch personal attacks against editors? JzG is the only administrator I know who has told editors to fuck off repeatedly, in a variety of different ways, and who is still an administrator. On the same talk ANI, calling an editor a "troll" a couple of months ago, JzG wrote: "Idiot template for an iddiot, Please stop ]. If you continue to ], as you did at ] you will be ]. Now never ever post a template warning on my talk page ever again, thanks all the same.

Multixfer himself called Pookzta a troll.

I have seen these editors who have had alternative views be blocked by several admins, they state policy reasons, but most have the same intolerant attitude towards alternative views which JzG does.

If this is escalated, which I sincerely hope it is not, I will ask that JzG should no longer block editors who he has an extreme POV conflicts with, we will have to address the other repeated issues, including NPA attacks, biting new editors, and continued threats (i.e. battleground mentality) to those who disagree with him. There have already been three RFCs discussing this behavior.

; My posting on Pookzta

My posting on Pookzta page had three portions:
# My opinion that editors who have a strong POV supporting the official version of 9/11 have silenced editors. JzG quote above shows this, let alone the other cases. Pookzta was in fact silenced by being blocked, and JzG is very supportive of the official version of 9/11, by his nasty comments to other editors.
# My suggestions to Pookzta to help him organize an effect voice on wikipedia, the same advice I have given to other editors who I feel are unfairly silenced.
# Predicting, with 100% accuracy the reaction to my post, quoting an academic study on Misplaced Pages and ].

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I have pressed the "Save page" button, over 45,907 times, making me editor number 320 for number of edits.

I now have 20+ barnstars, but like a good monkey, I had to press the little button 2,869 times before I got my first prize.  :(

The BLP Barnstar
I hereby award you this shiny barnstar for your efforts to alert Wikiprojects about how to locate BLPs for their projects and invite their participation in the discussion that would affect potentially all projects with a mass deletion (50,000 by most estimates) of "unsourced" BLPs. Your notice was such a good idea and sharing those links will help push some of those most familiar with the topics to help the articles at risk. Keep up the great work! -- Banjeboi 12:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
To the artist formerly known as Ikip, for coming up with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/Contest as a productive means to tackling the backlog of unreferenced BLPs. Let's focus our energy and get this puppy off the ground J04n(talk page) 03:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For perpetually defending Misplaced Pages's intended and most valuable purpose: catalogging human knowledge. I hope you had a nice Valentine's Day! Sincerely, A Nobody 00:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Defender of the Noble Spirt of Misplaced Pages
For your noble and unbreakable spirit of inclusion, mentorship and fraternity towards your fellow editors and the Wikipedian community. --Grancafé (talk) 02:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar of the Lamp For The Huddled Masses
For your pure intentioned dedication to speaking for those who do not speak, the wretched refuse of the teeming shores of the internet, providing a lamp of illumination. ----Milowent (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For all your work in these difficult days: notifying Wikiprojects, discussing on the RfC's, exposing rogue editors/admins behaviour and also for this exceptional comment, which definitely proves what is the real problem of Misplaced Pages these days. We need more brilliant editors like you! Cyclopia 13:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The Guidance Barnstar
Hi Okip, this barnstar is for your tireless efforts in helping, orienting and encouraging newcomers and novice editors, like me. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Grand Coffee Vizir Barnstar
For your generousous hard work, courage and distinguished dedication to the noble cause of coffee, you are conferred this Grand Coffee Vizir award of high distinction and accomplishment. Congratulations! --Grancafé (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
The Barnstar of European Merit

I can not thank you enough for the work you put into Albania-Serbia relations, there is no doubt in my mind that you have earned this barnstar. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC) this WikiAward was given to Ikip by Marcusmax(speak) on 01:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar may be awarded to those that show a pattern of going the extra mile to be nice, without being asked

Even though I almost always seem to disagree with you, I admire all the hard work you put in to whatever controversy seems to be engulfing Misplaced Pages this week! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Awarded 20 January 2007 to Travb for his valiant defense of  
the Misplaced Pages mission to produce a neutral encyclopedia. Athaenara
The Article Rescue Barnstar
For your tireless effort to save notable articles at AfD. Honestly, your commitment to fighting unnecessary deletions is extraordinary! SMSpivey (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This user is a Wikidraco scholasticus. You deserve this Wikidraco scholasticus award for taking on current AfD policy at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#Deletion_wars:_I_propose_a_novel_solution - and for having the patience to plough through AfD looking for articles worth saving. --Philcha (talk) 13:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
The Philippine Barnstar
... for your advice and assistance in the development of a Philippine-related article. -- Sultan-Commander (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for your continued and tireless efforts to keep Misplaced Pages a welcome place for all editors... from your graciousness and guidence to newcomers who might feel "put off" when their own initial efforts end up at AfD... to your efforts to maintain the integrity of the project and its articles. The job is never-ending, and yet you continue... even when your efforts are sometimes considered as overzealous. Keep up the good fight, but with patience... as Don Quixote is not the only one to find honor in tilting at windmills. Schmidt, 20:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
A Lucky Penny
In the spirit of funding that is sweeping the country this penny is offered to Editor:Ikip for his incredible WikiWorld endeavors:----Buster7 (talk) 23:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
The Working Man's Barnstar
For all your hard work keeping an eye on Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (fiction)#Final adoption as a guideline and following up with the people who have commented there. Politizer /contribs 02:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages Motivation Award Misplaced Pages Motivation Award
have noticed the announcements at several pages and applaud your courtesy in sharing the news that such a discussion is going on, as thousands of affected editors would otherwise have no idea that the fates of so many articles was being determined or where to even look for such a discussion. Well done. I am surprised that others have not themselves been as proactive in seeking a wider consensus for such an important and far-reaching proposal. This thing could impact nearly three quarters of a million articles. Good job!!! Wow. Schmidt, 18:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Articles I have created
Using: http://toolserver.org/~sql/created.php Tool. Tool does not count templates.
  1. A_New_Life_(The_Outer_Limits)
  2. A_Test_of_the_News
  3. Template:AbUS --archive box for American terrorism page.
  4. Abdellatif_Laabi
  5. After_the_Empire:_The_Breakdown_of_the_American_Order
  6. American_civil_religion
  7. American_Expeditionary_Force_Siberia
  8. Army_Foreign_Intelligence_Assistance_Program
  9. Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians
  10. Axis_of_Evil_(film)
  11. Balloon_effect
  12. Bell_Trade_Act
  13. Benevolent Assimilation
  14. Benevolent_Assimilation_(book)
  15. The Book of All Flesh as RWV.
  16. Calder v. Bull as RWV. Boring law school case.
  17. Case-Church_Amendment
  18. Charles_Henry_Dietrich
  19. CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US
  20. Clark_Amendment
  21. Commission_on_Industrial_Relations
  22. Commonwealth_v._Pullis
  23. Control_(2004_film)
  24. Costa_Rican_Civil_War
  25. DeLima v. Bidwell
  26. Democracy_in_Marxism
  27. Domestic_analogy
  28. Dreamland_(2007_film)
  29. Drew_Griffin CNN reporter
  30. Duck_Hook Nixon threat, called for the possibly-nuclear bombing of military and economic targets in and around Hanoi, the mining of Haiphong and other ports
  31. Edward_Atkinson
  32. Enemy_Nations
  33. Estate_of_Rodriquez_v._Drummond_Co.
  34. Fablehaven children's books.
  35. Firefight_at_Yechon:_Courage_and_Racism_in_the_Korean_War
  36. G._Robert_Blakey
  37. Green_report
  38. Guenter_Lewy
  39. Heroism Research Group
  40. Hitler's_Willing_Executioners
  41. Hughes-Ryan_Act
  42. Human_rights_in_Colombia
  43. Identical_Strangers...twins were given up by their mentally ill mother and separated as infants...met for the first time in 2004 at the age of 35.
  44. Intelligence_Oversight_Act
  45. International_Journal_of_Political_Economy, socialist perspective acedemic economic journal.
  46. Is the Holocaust Unique?
  47. Jacob_H._Smith
  48. Joseph_Lafayette_Rawlins
  49. Julian_Codman
  50. Kerry_Committee_report
  51. Kill_the_Messenger
  52. Kill_the_Messenger_(film)
  53. Klaus_Mehnert
  54. La_Violencia
  55. Leahy_Law
  56. Little_Eichmanns
  57. Lodge_Committee
  58. Looking_for_Love_(film) a 1964 romantic musical-comedy movie
  59. Michel_Garder
  60. My_Country,_My_Country
  61. Onyx_Project
  62. Operation_WASHTUB
  63. Operation_Whitecoat
  64. PCCC
  65. Plan_Cobra
  66. Power_Play_(1978_film)
  67. Picard v. Barry Pontiac-Buick, Inc. 1995 Rhode Island Supreme Court case often cited in tort law text books to explain the legal concept of battery.
  68. Predictions_of_Soviet_collapse
  69. Problems_of_Communism_(journal)
  70. Psychological_Operations_in_Guerrilla_Warfare
  71. San_Francisco_Call
  72. Senate_Document
  73. Simon_Sisters
  74. Sixto_Lopez
  75. Talk:American terrorism/Past disagreements
  76. Template:AmericanEmpire
  77. Template:Colombia conflict
  78. Template:Soatitles
  79. Template:Stay focused as RWV. This talk page is not a web blog.
  80. Template:U.S. Congressional opposition to war
  81. The_Saint_Patrick's_Day_Four
  82. Sturges_v._Crowninshield as RWV, dealt with the constitutionality of New York creating bankruptcy laws and retroactively applying those laws.
  83. Theodore_Schroeder
  84. They_Came_Back
  85. Thomas_MacDonald_Patterson
  86. Thousand_Days_War
  87. Timeline_of_labor_issues_and_events
  88. Timeline_of_Philippine-American_War
  89. Tom_Engelhardt the creator of the Nation Institute's tomdispatch.com, a liberal web blog.
  90. Total_Denial a 2006 documentary film about fifteen Burmese villagers going up against oil giants UNOCAL and TOTAL as they build the Yadana Pipeline.
  91. Trade_unions_in_the_United_Kingdom
  92. TV-6_(Russia)
  93. TVS_(Russia)
  94. U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation_manuals
  95. Union of Banana Exporting Countries as RWV. Attempt to create OPEC like cartel for bananas.
  96. United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Philippines
  97. United_States_v._Stanley the United States Supreme Court found that a serviceman could not file a tort action against the federal government, even though the government secretly administered doses of LSD to the serviceman as part of an experimental program, because his injuries were found by the lower court to be service-related.
  98. War_Feels_Like_War
  99. War_referendum a type of referendum in which citizens decide whether a nation should go to war.
  100. William_Lindsay_Scruggs (1836 - 1912) a scholar of South American foreign policy and U.S. ambassador to Colombia and Venezuela.
  101. The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule
...and here's an honorary enigma rotor for ferreting out a good solution. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Travb! I now give you a WikiCookie from the Misplaced Pages cookie jar! for your initiative to develop and create a new very useful template for a Colombia related article! great job! User:F3rn4nd0 06:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
NotAnotherAliGFan (talk)
The Original Barnstar
For keeping both your integrity and a cool head in the most trying of circumstances. Ireneshusband 05:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On 27 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ludlow Amendment, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.
The Guidance Barnstar
Ikip, you have helped me in many ways over the past few weeks, thank you once again for your assistance. Marcusmax(speak) 23:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Awarded to Ikip for volunteering to cleanse the Augean stables. —S Marshall /Cont 21:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
For your elegant and clear solution to some vexing situations I hereby award you this shiny barnstar you can play catch with or trade for superpowers or even put on a display shelf for all to behold and admire. The Article Rescue Squadron is a band of troupers who work in stressful environments to save content worth keeping and your help is very much appreciated. -- Banjeboi 11:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
This is an excellent idea for Foreign relations of Argentina by country to deal with the minor bilateral relationships, just 1 suggestion for improvement can we sort by continent/region? LibStar (talk) 09:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you very much for your successful efforts in strengthening the content and character of Misplaced Pages. Your work is greatly appreciated. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
I hearby award this barnstar to Ikip due to his heroic campaigning for the noble cause of including valuable and interesting articles in the peoples encyclopaedia. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thankyou for being so nice to me! ScythreContribs 15:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
I hereby award this Barnstar to Ikip for his excellent idea to reduce conflict by pre-empting potentially heated AfD debates with a suggestion that articles be userfied, so new users can still work to improve their work, while deletionists are happy as problem articles are removed from mainspace. Everyone's a winner! FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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The Original Barnstar
For cutting process, getting crap out of mainspace and helping newbies not to feel bitten all at the same time, a singular achievement. Guy (Help!) 20:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This user played a significant role in helping Eddie Kilroy graduate from incubation.
This user played a significant role in helping Downtown Emergency Service Center graduate from incubation.

"Disagreeable and closed to new ideas - that's the picture that emerges of contributors to...Misplaced Pages from a survey of their psychological attributes." Aldhous, Peter (January 03, 2009). "Psychologist finds Wikipedians grumpy and closed-minded". NewScientist. Retrieved 2009-05-08. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Source: "Personality Characteristics of Misplaced Pages Members" CyberPsychology & Behavior (DOI: 10.1089/cpb.2007.0225)

This project does not exist to help editors grow a thicker skin. Our mission is to build an encyclopedia, not establish limits for low-level abuse that we think our volunteer editors should be willing to suffer. If we drive away more people than we attract, then it's a genuine loss to the project and we should fix it rather than label those who would prefer to work in a civil environment as "thin skinned." -- User:Cool Hand Luke

The problem is that our enforcement of civility and NPA has historically been quite selective. If you're unpopular or unpowerful and criticizing somebody popular or powerful, you are likely to be blocked. The other way around, not so much. We ought to come up with objective standards and stick to them. -- User:Jehochman

A reliable measure of prejudice is how many mistakes a person gets forgiven. --Durova

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Best welcome template: User:AxG/WikiWelcome1

wikipediareview: History of wikipedia

Talkback

Hello, Okip. You have new messages at User talk:DASHBot/Wikiprojects.
Message added 21:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I responded. Sorry for the sporadic editing. Tim1357 (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I see you have gotten frustrated by me. I want to apologize for whatever I may have said to upset you. I don't like seeing you do all that work to try and transfer all the Wikiprojects from the category page to the template page. Let me see if I can get an automated process to do that for you. Otherwise, thank you for all the help you've been. You are the kind of editor that makes wikipedia work cleanly.
Regards,
Tim1357 (talk) 22:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
see my comments on your talk page, sorry for the confusion! Okip 00:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Response to Rubin

Pookzta‎

From user talk:Okip.

Are you trying to get yourself banned? It's unlikely that he could get what he wants into the Misplaced Pages article, because it's not supported by credible sources. However, he could have gotten unblocked if he was willing to restrict himself to making comments which haven't been refuted, and not repeatedly making WP:BOLD edits contrary to consensus. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Resorting to threats does not help build relationships Mr. Rubin. Please let me know what policies I am breaking by writing on User:Pookzta‎ page, and I will refactor them if they have any merit. Suggesting a wikiproject of like minded editors which do not share your personal point of view, is not against the rules. I feel that if editors can threaten Pookzta and hand out barnstars referring subtly to Pookzta as a "clueless n00b", (if this is the fact the reason why JzG gave you a barnstar) I can message Pookzta about some of his options within the rules, and explain what a bullying nasty atmosphere wikipedia often is too new editors.
I have not read all of the statements and edits made by Pookzta. But I am aware of some of the history of your edits, and the edits of those editors you associate with, and I feel that you can be rather dismissive to "clueless n00bs" and those who do not share your POV.
The ANI and block, on its face, sounded like a bad block against a "clueless n00b". Okip 08:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for repeated abuse of editing privileges. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

I've had enough of this. This is really inappropriate and I don't care to get into a technical detail of why but the background mentality has to stop. I find your decision to comment at Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Multixfer just creating a hostile environment and I would like to ask that an admin who considers unblocking you wait until you indicate an actual interest in improving the encyclopedia over creating drama. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Reason for block: "vandalism", "]". There was no vandalism in this case, by all definitions of the word.

Misplaced Pages:Editor review/A Nobody

Extremely negative comments from a variety of editors, starting with editor User:Kww. These negative comments where removed by A Nobody, and restored several times, causing several edit wars on the page, which spilled over to other pages.

Misplaced Pages:Editor review/Multixfer

My comments,

Negative comments in editor reviews are allowable or not allowable?
User talk
Pookzta

User talk:Pookzta was blocked by JzG for a "truther agenda", in JzG's own words, his violations were:

  1. "disruptive campaigning over the deletion of Judy Wood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)."
  2. being a "single-purpose account"
  3. "obsessive use of doctoral titles" (no violation here)
  4. "discussions take the form of endless repetition of the same assertions without modification or concession to the points made." (i.e. not agreeing with editors whose POV JzG personally supports).

Should a administrator who calls editors edits a "truther agenda" and who acknowledges that:

"I have a negative view of single-purpose accounts who are here to push WP:TRUTH at all costs and who WP:FORUMSHOP and who show no signs at all of understanding and learning from feedback. The context of long-term POV-pushing by Truthers is only a minor factor in this. And yes, I also have a negative view of anyone who is here to push fringe views, that is by no means restricted to 9/11 nor is it a problem"

Be blocking editors with alternative views?

After Arthur Rubin replied on blocked editors Pookzta page on 06:34, 10 April 2010,, at 21:13, 10 April 2010 JZG gave Arthur Rubin a barnstar calling Pookzta, a "clueless n00b". Should an administrator continue to launch personal attacks against editors? JzG is the only administrator I know who has told editors to fuck off repeatedly, in a variety of different ways, and who is still an administrator. On the same talk ANI, calling an editor a "troll" a couple of months ago, JzG wrote: "Idiot template for an iddiot, Please stop being a dick. If you continue to be a fuckwit, as you did at user talk:JzG you will be slapped with a large wet fish. Now never ever post a template warning on my talk page ever again, thanks all the same.

Multixfer himself called Pookzta a troll.

I have seen these editors who have had alternative views be blocked by several admins, they state policy reasons, but most have the same intolerant attitude towards alternative views which JzG does.

If this is escalated, which I sincerely hope it is not, I will ask that JzG should no longer block editors who he has an extreme POV conflicts with, we will have to address the other repeated issues, including NPA attacks, biting new editors, and continued threats (i.e. battleground mentality) to those who disagree with him. There have already been three RFCs discussing this behavior.

My posting on Pookzta

My posting on Pookzta page had three portions:

  1. My opinion that editors who have a strong POV supporting the official version of 9/11 have silenced editors. JzG quote above shows this, let alone the other cases. Pookzta was in fact silenced by being blocked, and JzG is very supportive of the official version of 9/11, by his nasty comments to other editors.
  2. My suggestions to Pookzta to help him organize an effect voice on wikipedia, the same advice I have given to other editors who I feel are unfairly silenced.
  3. Predicting, with 100% accuracy the reaction to my post, quoting an academic study on Misplaced Pages and WP:Mock.

Okip 09:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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