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Thanks. BorisTM 10:23, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Drawing Program

Hey Boris, I just used Adobe Illustrator, but I saw your diagram, it's beautiful, make some more pathway diagrams for wikipedia, I personally think their very important.... Adenosine | Talk 00:36, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I have been doing this for quite some time, actually for more than 2 years, so i already have many of them and i plan to load them one by one on the appropriate Misplaced Pages pages, if necessary of course. I also tried to create a color sheme so it's easier for the eye to spot the different elements in the diagrams. ISIS Draw is exelent for drowing chemical bonds, but it had its limitations when i tried to use it for other type of diagrams, such as those for the signaling pathways, where programs like Adobe Ilustrator would be a lot better tool. BorisTM 11:50, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Your info box

Dear Boris - Please note that I reverted your "info box" change to Creatine. I agree that using the {Chembox simple organic} template is less-than-ideal, but there is an alternative which is arguably better, and it is certainly much better than the one you seem to be advocating. See Template:BioChemInfoBox for details. You have obviously given some thought to your approach, and I'm sure it works well for you, but it is non-standard, error-prone (in the creatine info box, where is the title?), difficult-to-use for non-experts (e.g. how do you know what the "vocabularly" is?), and has many other drawbacks.

I'd be interested to know why you omitted SMILES (which is widely used), but included EINECS (which was superseded by ELINCS in 1981). Peak 17:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Heh, i was just crusing through your profile. Anyway, i preffer to discuss this and other issues on the Molecular and Cellular Biology project's page in the "Templates/Infoboxes/Small molecules" section. See you there. BorisTM 17:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I didn't see much there. In any case, I would prefer not to clog a project page with preliminary discussions such as this. Another preliminary question is: why "OrganicBox_PubCnem"? Shouldn't it be PubChem?
On the larger issue, since a template can include other templates, you might want to consider a combined approach. I suppose it ultimately depends on how much variation you think should be allowed between articles. Peak 18:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I needed some time to write the reply.
Well, whereelse do you suggest we talk about it? Here, only two of us will discuss it, there - more people will join, more ideas will come.
It has to be OrganicBox_PubChem, i have made a typo and hadn't noticed it, thanks.
I totally agree, there will be articles that will not have some of the info, for an example Glc doesn't have pI so having this in the Glc info table is a waste. BorisTM 19:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Boris
I agree with Peak that your infobox, although a good intiative, it not right at the moment. It is far to big for the purpose it serves and as Peak also mentioned is not standard. I would definately be in favor of including a title containing the name of the compound. I hope you respond soon, otherwise I might change the aminoacids which now have your box back to the standard Chembox. Also, I would like to ask you not to use so many abbreviations in the texts you write because they make reading very difficult.
Reinoutr 8 November 2005

Go ahead, change them. I also promise that i won't tuch any of the existing articles anymore, well all but those that i have already created, such as MTR and MUT, unless being asked for it. BorisTM 16:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

As you might have noticed, I reverted some of your changes by now. Please realize that all contributions are appreciated, both yours and the ones before you. Being a biochemist myself, I certainly hope you will keep adding biochemistry articles to wikipedia so don't be discouraged.Cpt. Morgan 22:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Boris: I am not sure why you think the PubChem CID should be included in the Infobox (the CID is a "Link to Entrez PCCompound"), but if you do, then I would suggest you give the link to the actual page, along the lines of CID 602 from PubChem, that is, using a suitable variant of the following:

Peak 22:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Peak, i think it's important to have a link to the compound's PubChem page because through the links in the top half of that page Entrez offers very convinient way to pull out of the PubMed database (the largest such databasa, i think) all the published articles about the compound. Well, the readers can do the search on their own, i just think that sending them straight to that page will save them time. Misplaced Pages and PubMed are very powerfull online resources that complement each other and i just want to see them conectect in some way.
I tried to do it this way but it seems when it's part of a template it doesn't work, kinda strange. BorisTM 09:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Now that I have a better understanding of the CID, I agree that PubChem is worthwhile, and I have been using Template:PubChemRow (and Template:EINECSRow], e.g. at Glucose. These are designed to be compatible with your templates. Peak 09:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thaz great.
Peak, there is another thing i would like to discus. It's about the D- and L-isoforms. BorisTM 14:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll look at the isoforms issue later. In the meantime, please take a look at Template:ATCRow, which allows for conditional inclusion of a row in a table. Consider for example Epinephrine. At present, the ATC code has to be given outside the infobox. Including an ATC code row in every organic chemical infobox is obviously undesirable. Of course one could have a wide variety of infoboxes, but the technique illustrated in Template:ATCRow can still be used in their construction. Please note that to omit the row, you have to write Template:ATCRow</noinclude>).

Thanks. RL0919 (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:NatOrganicBox

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Nomination for deletion of Template:NatOrganicBox name

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Nomination for deletion of Template:OrganicBox small

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Headings

Hello,

This is a friendly notification about section headings (see ).

We usually keep headings short like the current version has.199.126.224.245 (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)