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	:::You have been instructed to disengage and ignore Malke. You have absolutely no business stalking her edits. You will stay away from her mentorship pages in particular, and if you have any cause of concern with Malke in the future, you better make damn sure that this cause has been generated on a place where it was impossible for you to ignore it, in other words, on a common page where you do have legitimate business, and were legitimately present before her.		:::You have been instructed to disengage and ignore Malke. You have absolutely no business stalking her edits. You will stay away from her mentorship pages in particular, and if you have any cause of concern with Malke in the future, you better make damn sure that this cause has been generated on a place where it was impossible for you to ignore it, in other words, on a common page where you do have legitimate business, and were legitimately present before her.
	:::Should that prove impossible for you, it will be a clear demonstration that you are incapable of editing with the right level of collegiality required on Misplaced Pages, which will lead to a removal of your editing privileges. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 01:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)		:::Should that prove impossible for you, it will be a clear demonstration that you are incapable of editing with the right level of collegiality required on Misplaced Pages, which will lead to a removal of your editing privileges. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 01:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
	::::As before, I am not at liberty to address the ] issues that you raise, though you can be sure that I listened attentively. As it happens, entirely by coincidence, I've decided to trim my watchlist by removing user pages of people who I have no current interest in communicating with. It's amazing how those tend to accumulate and then show up as distractions in your new changes list, especially if you're in the habit of systematically clicking on the unvisited "diff" hotlinks. ] (]) 02:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC) ~~{{hab}}~~		::::As before, I am not at liberty to address the ] issues that you raise, though you can be sure that I listened attentively. As it happens, entirely by coincidence, I've decided to trim my watchlist by removing user pages of people who I have no current interest in communicating with. It's amazing how those tend to accumulate and then show up as distractions in your new changes list, especially if you're in the habit of systematically clicking on the unvisited "diff" hotlinks. ] (]) 02:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
		⚫	== Clarification ==

		⚫	MLauba, I just read ], and it turned out to be an essay that was about vandalism, specifically excluding harassment. At risk of being overly sensitive, I'm concerned that you might be inadvertently suggesting that I'm a vandal. Would you please consider changing the label on your collapse section to something more appropriate? ] (]) 19:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


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	Hi MLauba! Thanks for your note on the interaction ban. As I am not an admin, I can do little about it if it happens. Would you be willing to assist me in enforcing the ban? I can keep an eye out, and will let you know of any violations I see. Thanks again. <font color="BLUE">]</font><font color="GREEN">]</font><font color="RED">]</font> 18:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)		Hi MLauba! Thanks for your note on the interaction ban. As I am not an admin, I can do little about it if it happens. Would you be willing to assist me in enforcing the ban? I can keep an eye out, and will let you know of any violations I see. Thanks again. <font color="BLUE">]</font><font color="GREEN">]</font><font color="RED">]</font> 18:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

			:Yes, if and when I'm around, though if there are any further issues, ANI can help as well. I wish you patience and wisdom in the mediation. ] ''<sup>'''(''']''')'''</sup>'' 09:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
⚫	== Clarification ==

⚫	MLauba, I just read ], and it turned out to be an essay that was about vandalism, specifically excluding harassment. At risk of being overly sensitive, I'm concerned that you might be inadvertently suggesting that I'm a vandal. Would you please consider changing the label on your collapse section to something more appropriate? ] (]) 19:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

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Victor Dahdaleh

hi - this was deleted by you a while ago and want to make you aware that i recently stumbled across it and wanted to create a better version

Diginerd84 (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

You'll want to take care not to copy / paste content from that person's website without permission (and if you believe you can get his permission to reuse his material, please follow WP:PERMISSION to ensure we document it properly), but also that this person meets our inclusion criteria. Good luck. MLauba 10:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I had a look at your latest recreation, and unfortunately noticed that the article was, in its entirety, a series of sentences copy / pasted verbatim from Dahdaleh's blog. This violates our copyright policies - you may exact quote brief verbatim passages, but building an entire article on nothing but quotes is not possible.

In order to both conform with copyright laws but more importantly to keep with our mission to create a 💕, Misplaced Pages cannot accept content that has been copied from third party sites without explicit permission. My recommendation would be to start over from scratch, avoiding the use of the copy / paste function in your browser at all cost, and writing a summary of Dahdaleh's life in your own words. To that effect, it would be best to read multiple independent sources, then put them away before summarizing their content into a new article. MLauba 10:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Mandating URL in history deletion?

In some situations where I've used {{copyvio-histpurge}}, the URL that was being plagiarised was itself linking to a copyright violation (eg. scanlation aggregator sites). I feel that including the specific URL that is being plagiarised would be counterproductive in such circumstances, especially if the infringing history revisions include the URL. (as in "Download this manga here!") --Malkinann (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that if the deleting admin cannot verify the claim, he cannot perform a revdelete. But I get the gist of your point, I'll soften the language a bit. MLauba 10:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

So it would be as simple as explaining that 'the reference/external link given in the revisions I'm disputing is a linkvio'? Cool. :) --Malkinann (talk) 11:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Rather being circumspect, couldn't the deleting admin revdel through the tagger's revisions containing the linkvio? Flatscan (talk) 05:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Review a rewrite?

Hi. Do you have time to review a rewrite at Talk:Marcelline Jayakody/Temp? Diversity of review is important in close paraphrasing issues, and I tagged the article. See the bottom of his talk page here for some examples from the original and note the bottom here. Another contributor has been helping him, so perhaps it's okay now, but I'd really like a second set of eyes on it. :) It's at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2010 October 25. --Moonriddengirl 13:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, will do either today or tomorrow. MLauba 17:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much! As you know, things are a bit nuts right now! :) --Moonriddengirl 17:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

As you suspected. Early life is useless. Checking further... MLauba 13:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. :/ If I get a chance today (I've got a meeting this morning), I'd like to pitch in with your Dispatch thing. Would you prefer that I edit it directly or bring up any questions/comments/suggestions at the talk page? --Moonriddengirl 13:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Done Yuck, that one was a PITA to stubify.

For the dispatch thing, don't hesitate to edit directly, but I have a special request for you (and please don't take this the wrong way), I'd be grateful if you could edit as if this were almost aimed at simple.wikipedia instead of us. This is in no way a criticism of your usual contributions but you write in a dense, precise, and extremely rich style. I'd like to keep this piece as simple as possible, even if it is at the cost of precision or detail. I'd see that as the first part of a series where your own piece is the next step up from there. MLauba 14:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not offended. :) I've known for quite some time that writing simply is a challenge for me. If I do edit directly and you think I've failed the "KISS" philosophy, you are very welcome to revise me. --Moonriddengirl 14:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Your draft signpost article

I don't find your syntax bad at all! If I can find any constructive comments to make on the draft, I shall make them: however, you know my positions on "plagiarism", so I shall try not to bore you with a rehash of those. Physchim62 (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I fully expect to get horrified reactions from some editors who believe a much more stringent standard needs to be applied anyway, so since I believe your stance is more liberal than mine, rehash to your heart's content :D MLauba 19:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

A second opinion

Hi. There's a rewrite at the CP from Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2010 October 31 on which I'd like a second opinion. Would you mind? I've already weighed in at the talk page. --Moonriddengirl 21:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It's the top ticket under "manual" and the only ticket left from the day. If you agree with my conclusions, would you mind relisting it under today and closing out the 31st? If you don't have time to weigh in, just let me know, please, and I'll ask somebody else. :) --Moonriddengirl 12:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) I'm determined to catch up at CP today! I've got a good clear block of time ahead of me, if I can just avoid any drahma. :D --Moonriddengirl 13:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

NP. I'll be on travels for the rest of the week and this again harder to catch. And you're about to get mail from me :) MLauba 13:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Enjoy your travels, and I'll look for it. :D --Moonriddengirl 13:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Res ipsa loquitur

WP:DENY MLauba 16:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

? Dylan Flaherty (talk) 00:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

So just to get this straight, you demonstrate that you are stalking the edits of a user you agreed to completely ignore at the risk of a block in order to get her blocked? Is that what you are trying to say? MLauba 16:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

With all due respect, I am not at liberty to address that question. All I can do is gesture mutely at the section heading. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

All right. You alluded in one comment a few days ago that you had direct reports in the past. I'm going to assume that having being in a position of authority, you are familiar with the concept of harassment, in particular harassment by a person in authority over subordinates.

Mentorship agreements on Misplaced Pages have one fundamental flaw in that they place the mentee in a position of automatic subordination not just towards their mentors but also the community. Whatever the legitimacy of complaints being raised against them, mentees have to overcome the assumption that since they are being mentored, they cannot be trusted. The hurdle a mentee has to cover in order to overcome this perception is typically higher than what another a user with a long block log has to deal with. Further, even if a complaint is without merit, the mentors cannot intervene in the favour of their mentee at the risk of being themselves tarred with partisanship.

Independently of that, in order for mentorship to succeed, the mentee has to be able to discuss situations relevant to their mentorship with their mentors. Due to the very nature of Misplaced Pages, it is normally out of the question that such discussions are held off-wiki.

Mentorship pages are supposed to be a safe environment where mentors and mentees can examine the latter's reactions to a situation and advise them. They're the Misplaced Pages equivalent of a client / attorney discussion.

There is, in general, no valid reason for any party outside of the mentorship agreement to pry on these discussions. I do consider attempts to use and leverage discussions held in that privileged space meant to be a safe environment to be an utterly shocking attempt at harassment against someone who is currently in a position of weakness.

Blocking you at this stage would, fortunately for you, be punitive. And while I will have another word with Malke about her choice of words, let me be clearer again.

You have been instructed to disengage and ignore Malke. You have absolutely no business stalking her edits. You will stay away from her mentorship pages in particular, and if you have any cause of concern with Malke in the future, you better make damn sure that this cause has been generated on a place where it was impossible for you to ignore it, in other words, on a common page where you do have legitimate business, and were legitimately present before her.

Should that prove impossible for you, it will be a clear demonstration that you are incapable of editing with the right level of collegiality required on Misplaced Pages, which will lead to a removal of your editing privileges. MLauba 01:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

As before, I am not at liberty to address the exciting issues that you raise, though you can be sure that I listened attentively. As it happens, entirely by coincidence, I've decided to trim my watchlist by removing user pages of people who I have no current interest in communicating with. It's amazing how those tend to accumulate and then show up as distractions in your new changes list, especially if you're in the habit of systematically clicking on the unvisited "diff" hotlinks. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 02:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Clarification

MLauba, I just read WP:DENY, and it turned out to be an essay that was about vandalism, specifically excluding harassment. At risk of being overly sensitive, I'm concerned that you might be inadvertently suggesting that I'm a vandal. Would you please consider changing the label on your collapse section to something more appropriate? Dylan Flaherty (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Tea Party Movement MedCab case

Hi MLauba! Thanks for your note on the interaction ban. As I am not an admin, I can do little about it if it happens. Would you be willing to assist me in enforcing the ban? I can keep an eye out, and will let you know of any violations I see. Thanks again. Hamtechperson 18:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if and when I'm around, though if there are any further issues, ANI can help as well. I wish you patience and wisdom in the mediation. MLauba 09:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)