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{{info|To all inexperienced editors who may stumble onto this page, this is a warning. Do not waste your time on this site. If you persist here, it will steal your time, it will steal your energy, it will steal your very soul. This site is run on nothing but false pretences. The rules and guidelines here, while eminently sensible as written, are ultimately worthless. The admins charged with the task of ensuring they are followed, in the majority, simply will not do anything about disputes unless its a very easy task they can resolve in 5 minutes, and in the minority, will do much much worse, either through their arrogance, their ignorance, or any of the other human flaws that with some of these people while eminently obvious, are not discovered in the selection process. And it's a job for life, so there's no point pointing them out after they're made admin. The majority of editors here who you will get into disputes with if you are remotely normal, are on the whole, total self-interested hypocrites, and that's just the people who generally edit here as a hobby, never mind all those who have more dubious motives for being here. If you get into a dispute with someone here that is not resolve-able in 5 minutes, and the outcome is still not satisfactory according to your right thinking mind, then forget it, you've already lost. If you can handle that, fine, carry on here. If you can't, then leave now. On no account should you labour under the false impression that on Misplaced Pages there is any time or patience to sort out long running or difficult disputes, except in the crudest possible ways. There are people here who have been doing the same thing, the exact same thing, for years now. A classic example. What would you say if I told you a single editor is allowed to systematically search for and edit the use of a particular term either through replacement or indeed complete removal, to ensure all Misplaced Pages pages, every single one that used it, matches his world view, which is very much a minority outside his tiny country of origin. Does that surprise you as something that would be tolerated on a site that has thousands of editors who are all apparently collaborating to build an international encyclopedia? No? Well, get used to it. What he does isn't technically block-able on a 5 minute reading, and all other options fully resemble talking to a brick wall, while the aforementioned admins do their stuff, or rather, just don't. That's why he's still here, still doing it, after all these years. He gets away with it not because he's smart, but just because he's simply learnt through trial and error that if he doesn't slip up and do something that on a 5 minute exam is seen as block-able, he's never going to be bothered, except of course by the thousands of people, including all the hundreds who chose to use the term in their own contribution to the mass theft that is this site, who quite rightly object to what he does because it's a disgusting abuse on several levels, but who are not suitably versed in the general complexities of wikilaw, and will invariably either fall foul of the 5 minute rule, or just walk away. Because one thing's for certain, he's not going anywhere, and he will wait years if necessary before re-attempting a change he previously couldn't quite pull off the 1st, 2nd, even 3rd time previously. It's a Golden Ticket, a free pass to personally influence the world's 8th biggest website on a massive scale. Who's going to pass up that opportunity? I guarantee that the Dalai Lama himself would not succeed in making any progress in that dispute. And there are other examples. So many in fact, that for this site to ever be advertised as a successful project, is a bit of a joke. The truly sad thing is, you have to waste 4 years of your life to be able to see it. Don't presume that the values and beliefs you hold, such as logic, fairness, neutrality or even basic respect, are shared by anyone who is already well established here, not least the people elected to the highest venue of dispute resolution. I've just been through their process, and their 17 man body has expended barely 100 words on it in public. Many of their errors are just obvious from the position of someone who, as the person being examined, knows the story behind each and every cited dispute, each and every critic's own tale of woe. Many other errors are suspected, and despite me seeking clarification, remain unanswered. I've seen people put more words into a discussion about what background colour to give a certain table than they have put into this process. If the intention was a deliberate insult, a calculated slap in the face of someone who has given so much to this project, then it worked. I sincerely hope they did more in private, but wikileaks aside, when there's no summary of that put out there, then it's worthless. Certainly to me, and definitely to you. All this on the back of the most recent outrage, finding out that its considered perfectly fine to compare hard working editors who've never damaged an article in their lives, to members of the Westboro Baptist Church. If you're disgusted at that thought, good, it means you're still a decent human being, and have not yet been corrupted by this site's perverse sense of morality. I've learnt all this through nearly 4 years here, I'm giving you the benefit of my experience free of charge in the spirit of humanity. 4 years is a long time to waste, there's a hell of a lot of things you can do with that time to actually improve the world, or even just your own life, rather than waste it here on the general two-faced self-serving fakery that passes for civil discussion on this site. If you carry on and don't heed it, and don't have the sort of temperament which barely 5% of the world's population would possess, then don't say I didn't warn you. I say all of this as someone who passionately believes in the site, its rules and guidelines, ''as written''.}} |
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''] blanked a of this page due to ] concerns. I didn't hear about or follow this case at all, but I think this MickMacNee made some cogent points in that comment, and discussions that are worth continuing, so I'll take the liberty of restoring some portions that make some good arguments. I've left in a few what look like "non-personal attacks", I understand if someone disagrees on the particulars of what can be kept within policy - the point is, there are good criticisms here among the rest. ] (]) 17:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC) :'' |
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== It won't be the same == |
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Wish ya hadn't left. Now this project is gonna become more stale. ] (]) 00:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:I'm not leaving …… I'm being kicked out on my ear for being a Very Bad Man, as judged by the committee, who seemingly earn their pay for doing what your average … ANI … can manage in 0.00001% of the time it takes them to 'investigate' issues when presented with complex interactions that take more than 5 minutes to figure out. ………… Come on then my 'friend's help me out of this one, give me some advice on …… whether …… is going to get this fucking site built any faster by people like me, the grafters, the people who know how to write fucking articles and started out doing just that all those years ago, and who through years of dedication by now not only know the wording of the policies backwards, but what they fucking mean too. Thanks to this joke of an outcome, I've just fucking deleted 97 user pages, that's more half finished material than most of my critics will ever manage to write in their lives, but did you ever see me once use that in my defence? …… I'll only lower myself to rants like this to give you some easy pickings because I know how much you feel left out if you don't get to make your 5 minute judgements, because …… you'll never be able to point to an actual situation and say there, that's where he damaged the site, that's where he scared off an actual n00b or actual productive well mannered editor, that's where he unjustifiably gave an innocent bystander grief, that's where he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. You carry on pussy footing around ………… You do all that, but you won't find you'll reverse the current trend in the loss of real editors who make productive edits of the manual, thought out, kind, any time soon. It makes me laugh when people say all the easy articles have been written and we're entering a maintenance phase where drop off is natural. Those people … need to ask for a refund on their schooling. There's tons of work still to be done, and tons more shit to be removed like the burgeoning recentist shit pile that is our ever-growing aircrash news report database which is oddly enough missing 95% of crashes from the whole of aviation history, because fucking shock horror, they didn't all prove to be notable beyond the news reporting, and our actually very good guideline, like many others, is routinely ignored as far as what it ''actually'' says, or worse, misrepresented by … who cannot manage to ever give an argument beyond the many examples given in WP:ATA, and think they have a right to have their stupidity weighed equally with everybody else here. …… This site is getting worse and worse at allowing proper work to be done, and proper debates to be had, and to be properly concluded, free of the self interest and downright incompetence that you can see ten-a-penny in places like that aviation porn farm, and more importantly, to the letter and the spirit of actual policies and guidelines, not what … wants to pretend it says while he hides behind his mother's apron strings, otherwise known as WP:CIV. And here's a fucking newsflash, it's not me that's the problem in any of that. You'll get the fucking site you encourage with your inaction and incompetence, especially all you cowardly fucking admins who won't go near closing a discussion like the banknote NFCC overuse Rfc for fucking months so that it fucks off into the archive unresolved, yet you have the brass fucking balls to repeat personal attacks on me about what you think but just can't be bothered to prove I have or haven't done to the … whose running around making claims about what ''policy'' says, that the Rfc showed were fucking activist driven fantasy bullshit grounded by the sort of retarded ideas like somehow an article becomes more 'free' with 1 properly justified non-free image in it instead of 10. If that sounds logical to you, if that sounds like something anyone with any competence in the matter might say in support of your pea brained thoughts if only they cared enough about your peon ass to indulge your every query, I repeat, go ask for a refund on your schooling … That's probably why you're the … giving your opinions on such things for free on this shitty website as if they were fact, while other people get paid for it in the real world, the people who to this day ignore your various appeals to step in. Don't get me wrong, I'm no NFCC campaigner despite what people like to claim, in reality it probably forms 5% of my interest here, but there's incompetences and abuses like that all over this mental institution some poeple are trying to claim is a professional environment, going unchecked by the very people being feted as the members of high standing. Some are even active participants. Still, as if you've even had the fucking sense to read this far. If you have, go tell Jimbo he's a thief and that I want my four years back. ] (]) 02:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::That was a fun read. Hope real life treats you better than Misplaced Pages has. <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/]]]'''</span> 03:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::I am so very sorry, MickMacNee. With Utmost Respect, ] (]) 14:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::MickMacNee, would you consider uploading those "97 articles" to www.wikialpha.org? ] (]) 17:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Please restore the whole text. The original deletion of it, and now this "editing of it" is deplorable. We are grown ups here, aren't we? Anyways, it' still available in the history. ] (]) 19:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:I didn't restore it because I know Scott MacDonald would just blank it again, and he fairly unarguably has ] on his side - even MickMacNee's own writing suggests an awareness that policy bans it. More to the point, to be blunt, I think there's a fair risk he might block someone who restores the blatant personal attacks. Of course, you're free to restore it if you want to try, and I don't ''mind'' if you do, but I can't be responsible for what happens. Also, I was worried that he might go so far as to ] the thing, and I wanted to have a version out here which hopefully would not fall victim to that. ] (]) 19:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:Oh, yeah, not to mention that Scott MacDonald said that "next time I'll lock the page", which would defeat my original intention going into this of getting MickMacNee to discuss putting his stuff on WikiAlpha. ] (]) 19:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::That's good. I see where you are coming from and I support what you say. I won't meddle with it because yes, there is a bit of a culture of blocking without due consideration on this site. ] (]) 19:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::The old version can be ] (]) 19:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Quite the read, but I doubt the link will stay up for very long. Somebody will take offense to the fact that somebody, somewhere, is saying something mean about people on wikipedia and revdel the link. ] (]) 21:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Hey, you must be sikic! It just has been. ] (]) 19:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Watcha Count! How about answering my question about lightning conductors at ]? ] (]) 19:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC) |
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