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	]. I informed you of this because your regularly edited ] related articles. ] (]) 11:37, 10 June 2011		]. I informed you of this because your regularly edited ] related articles. ] (]) 11:37, 10 June 2011

	== Nomination of ] for deletion ==

	<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article ''']''' is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to ] or whether it should be ].

	The article will be discussed at ] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

	Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ] (]) 15:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

	== Just to be clear... ==

	This is '''NOT''' an appropriate forum for complaining about reversion of ludicrously inappropriate categories. I am not interested in tortured reasoning as to why they might, in some alternate universe, be considered relevant. And I am '''profoundly''' disinterested in hearing further creationist POV-pushing on that, or any other, subject. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>''(''']''')</sup></font> 07:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

	== Articles on Creation and the Ronald Numbers article ==		== Articles on Creation and the Ronald Numbers article ==
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	:*I have followed through on your advice to do a User subpage. You are invited to share your thoughts.		:*I have followed through on your advice to do a User subpage. You are invited to share your thoughts.
	::It is located ] ] (]) 23:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)		::It is located ] ] (]) 23:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

	== Signature in the Cell ==

	You may be interested in checking out the recent changes in this article again. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. ] (]) 19:51, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
	:You might want to give it another check, as well as the article on ]. Someone out to inform the SPCDH (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Dead Horses), as well. ]. ] (]) 07:02, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

	== ''All'' ID proponents ==

	I've been talking with KillerChihuahua on the ] and expressed the view that you agreed to the latest change concerning the use of the word ''all'' within the lead. I hope I haven't misinterpreted your last comment there as an agreement, but if I have I apologize. I just wanted to let you know, as I have a difficult time speaking for others even when I'm fairly certain I'm correct. Thanks! -- ] (] ]) 21:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

	== Whatever the decision ==

	Hi Hrafn, you are a tough helper. No matter what the decision coming down, I want you to know that your persistent interest in quality is respected. We will meet again. :) ] (]) 08:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

	== Leonard Brand ==		== Leonard Brand ==
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	Please refrain from being funny on Misplaced Pages. People may spill their coffee all over their keyboards. If you continue to make me laugh, you may be blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. ] \| ] 23:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC).		Please refrain from being funny on Misplaced Pages. People may spill their coffee all over their keyboards. If you continue to make me laugh, you may be blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. ] \| ] 23:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC).
	:Sorry, but Misplaced Pages has yet to create a swallow-before-reading warning tag -- a dreadful oversight I'm sure. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>''(''']''')</sup></font> 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)		:Sorry, but Misplaced Pages has yet to create a swallow-before-reading warning tag -- a dreadful oversight I'm sure. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>''(''']''')</sup></font> 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

	== ] ==		== ] ==

	] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to ], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the ]. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been ]. Please make use of the ] if you'd like to experiment with test edits. There was no reason to delete non-contentious material. There was CERTAINLY no reason to delete a photograph. If you are concerned about sourcing issues, please add cn tags.<!-- Template:uw-delete2 --> -- ] (]) 09:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)		] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to ], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the ]. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been ]. Please make use of the ] if you'd like to experiment with test edits. There was no reason to delete non-contentious material. There was CERTAINLY no reason to delete a photograph. If you are concerned about sourcing issues, please add cn tags.<!-- Template:uw-delete2 --> -- ] (]) 09:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
	:Careful amigo, you're at 3RR. You wouldn't want to get blocked. On the other hand it would be nice to have some peace and quiet at Brand... Revert!!! Revert!!! – ] <sup>(])</sup> 10:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)		:Careful amigo, you're at 3RR. You wouldn't want to get blocked. On the other hand it would be nice to have some peace and quiet at Brand... Revert!!! Revert!!! – ] <sup>(])</sup> 10:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
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	Then please, ''please'', don't post here unless you really, really have to. I'm trying to put the wider interest of the project, and of my own mental health, ahead of my views on where article should be going by topic-banning myself from it. Please ''don't'' evoke the all-too-strong argumentative side of my personality by reminding me of your, and its, existence. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>''(''']''')</sup></font> 11:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)		Then please, ''please'', don't post here unless you really, really have to. I'm trying to put the wider interest of the project, and of my own mental health, ahead of my views on where article should be going by topic-banning myself from it. Please ''don't'' evoke the all-too-strong argumentative side of my personality by reminding me of your, and its, existence. <font face="Antiqua, serif">'']<sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>''(''']''')</sup></font> 11:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

	==AfD==		== AfD ==

	Please see the discussion of this article, which you contributed to: ]. Thanks. ] (]) 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)		Please see the discussion of this article, which you contributed to: ]. Thanks. ] (]) 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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	Drrll has questioned a lot of the sources used on the ] article. You underatand the sourcing policies a lot better than I do, so I'd appreciate it if you could read the talk page and see if any of his concerns are justified. Thanks. ] (]) 06:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)		Drrll has questioned a lot of the sources used on the ] article. You underatand the sourcing policies a lot better than I do, so I'd appreciate it if you could read the talk page and see if any of his concerns are justified. Thanks. ] (]) 06:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

	==Terry Virgo==		== Terry Virgo ==

	Will you collaborate with me on this page? I would like to get a second opinion on sources. I have many Terry Virgo books, but need to sort out how useful they are. I know they can be used in certain circumstances and would like to get advice from another regular. ( Will be away till next Friday after today...) ] (]) 16:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)		Will you collaborate with me on this page? I would like to get a second opinion on sources. I have many Terry Virgo books, but need to sort out how useful they are. I know they can be used in certain circumstances and would like to get advice from another regular. ( Will be away till next Friday after today...) ] (]) 16:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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	==Hatnotes==		== Hatnotes ==

	Please stop reverting my edits placing the hatnotes at the top of the article. Per ]: ''Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article, before any other items such as images, navigational templates and maintenance templates (like the "cleanup", "unreferenced", and "POV" templates).'' ] (]) 19:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)		Please stop reverting my edits placing the hatnotes at the top of the article. Per ]: ''Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article, before any other items such as images, navigational templates and maintenance templates (like the "cleanup", "unreferenced", and "POV" templates).'' ] (]) 19:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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user:Ed Poor's talk page topic ban on Unification Church related articles

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FEd_Poor_2. I informed you of this because your regularly edited Unification church related articles. Andries (talk) 11:37, 10 June 2011

Articles on Creation and the Ronald Numbers article

For the record:

I appreciated your telling us of your background in working with articles on creation. You are tough to work with, but your experience especially in these type of articles makes your expertise important to the genre.
I took a look at the Ronald Numbers article. It looks like a good start. I noticed that you have contributed to the article. Numbers is a very notable fellow. I did the infamous google search count and noted 1.6 million hits. Ever considered developing it further? Want some help? :)

Any way, it helps to know that you have such experience on the topics we share an interest. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 03:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have followed through on your advice to do a User subpage. You are invited to share your thoughts.

It is located HERE DonaldRichardSands (talk) 23:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Leonard Brand

Hi Hrafn, I'm Hunter Kahn. I voted in the Leonard R. Brand AFD discussion, which I watched with great interest. Since you were the nominator, I just wanted to draw your attention to a comment I made to the guy who closed it. I think he meant well and did the best he could with what he had, but I did have a concern about the outcome, and thought you might want to read it. I was, and possibly still am, considering taking it to WP:DRV, but I'm not sure. (I don't really have a strong feeling about the article itself, I'm just more concerned about the possible bad AFD precedent.) What do you think? — Hun ter Ka hn 16:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Hrafn and Hunter, I have responded to Hunter's concern at: User talk:Bigtimepeace#Leonard Brand belated signature DonaldRichardSands (talk) 23:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

On the subject of dead horses

I think it would be helpful if you stopped replying to Drrll on the OR noticeboard. Just let him have the last word, because, as you may have noticed, he will just keep repeating the same points indefinitely. At this point, all we can do is revert it if he actually tries to make the change he's demanding. Any hope of actually getting an agreement that the argument is closed is dead. For the same reasons you are asking him to let it go, please let it go. i kan reed (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll try, if only to see what happens when he's left with nobody to argue with -- will he claim a moral victory -- or will he start arguing with himself? Hrafn_Stalk(P) 18:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Leonard R. Brand

Please refrain from being funny on Misplaced Pages. People may spill their coffee all over their keyboards. If you continue to make me laugh, you may be blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 23:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC).

Sorry, but Misplaced Pages has yet to create a swallow-before-reading warning tag -- a dreadful oversight I'm sure. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. There was no reason to delete non-contentious material. There was CERTAINLY no reason to delete a photograph. If you are concerned about sourcing issues, please add cn tags. -- 202.124.72.62 (talk) 09:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Careful amigo, you're at 3RR. You wouldn't want to get blocked. On the other hand it would be nice to have some peace and quiet at Brand... Revert!!! Revert!!! – Lionel 10:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I've only reverted twice. But please feel freee to report me -- it might be good for a laugh. :) Hrafn_Stalk(P) 10:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

You may not be laughing very long. Check 3RRN. I just reported a user for 2RR and he got 72 hrs. – Lionel 10:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

As part of a long-standing ongoing edit-war. Different circumstances. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 10:38, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

You're not going to be happy until you get the last word, are you? – Lionel 10:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm argumentative -- but then this is my user talk, so I'm allowed the last word here. :) Hrafn_Stalk(P) 10:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

OK.– Lionel 10:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Are you a regular on Leonard R. Brand?

Then please, please, don't post here unless you really, really have to. I'm trying to put the wider interest of the project, and of my own mental health, ahead of my views on where article should be going by topic-banning myself from it. Please don't evoke the all-too-strong argumentative side of my personality by reminding me of your, and its, existence. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 11:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

AfD

Please see the discussion of this article, which you contributed to: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Texe Marrs (2nd nomination). Thanks. BigJim707 (talk) 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Stephen C. Meyer

Drrll has questioned a lot of the sources used on the Stephen C. Meyer article. You underatand the sourcing policies a lot better than I do, so I'd appreciate it if you could read the talk page and see if any of his concerns are justified. Thanks. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Terry Virgo

Will you collaborate with me on this page? I would like to get a second opinion on sources. I have many Terry Virgo books, but need to sort out how useful they are. I know they can be used in certain circumstances and would like to get advice from another regular. ( Will be away till next Friday after today...) Hyper3 (talk) 16:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

WQA

Hello, Hrafn. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Drrll (talk) 15:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

You really need to avoid giving anyone a reason to take you to WQA - I've always felt I get a lot further by trying to be as polite as I can (hard at times) and let the others rave oon. It just gives others ammunition against you. Take the high road, see the error of your ways. Not as satisfying at times of course but it will make you a better Wikipedian and I think more productive at what you are trying to do. Dougweller (talk) 20:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I might find your advice a bit more welcome if the complainers at WQA weren't wall-to-wall WP:POT on the subject. If you think you can do better on Leonard Brand and the rest of the Adventist WP:WALLEDGARDEN, then you're welcome to try. I self-topic-banned myself from that article to attempt to circuit-break a deteriorating situation -- but lo and behold, they're still harping on about it -- and the fact that I called "incestuous" a situation where the reviewer of one of Brand's books wrote the forward for it, and the reviewer of another was listed in its acknowledgements page (along with a myriad of less blatant lacks-of-independence). Likewise, if you think any strategy will yield a reasonable response from Drrll, you are welcome to try. I will attempt to tone down the rhetoric -- but do not guarantee that my underlying argumentative nature won't show through. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 08:32, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not terribly interested (or have the time to get involved) in 7th Day Adventists, but I guess that attitude is what allows walled gardens. Dougweller (talk) 12:18, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

It is indeed. I just took a very quick glance at that article -- and can report that with my departure it now appears entirely under the WP:OWNERSHIP of the Adventist fanboys. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 12:57, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Heads up about Iriscope

Hi Hrafn. Now I know we haven't seen, ahem, "eye to eye" in the past, and (blah, blah, blah, page notice, long story short, mutual STFUs, more bad puns...) but I think this could do with your attention.--Shirt58 (talk) 16:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Hatnotes

Please stop reverting my edits placing the hatnotes at the top of the article. Per Misplaced Pages:Hatnote: Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article, before any other items such as images, navigational templates and maintenance templates (like the "cleanup", "unreferenced", and "POV" templates). Rreagan007 (talk) 19:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Please note that this obscure MOS appears to be quite out of touch with actual practice. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 19:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

It is not obscure at all. It is reiterated here: MOS:LEAD#Elements_of_the_lead. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Very few articles place hatnotes before maintenance tags -- for one thing it looks very very ugly and distracting. Hrafn_Stalk(P) 19:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Because your hilarity is uncivil to the dense... Cerejota (talk) 04:58, 29 August 2011 (UTC)