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Got questions? post any new questions by starting a new section below. Before posting, understand the following: If it isn't cited, it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia; don't even bother arguing it with me. I am a a follower of Conan the Grammarian: if it's bad writing, I am going to correct it or kill it. I am polite and appreciate politeness in turn. If you act like an ass-hat, I'll ignore you, report you, or simply point and laugh. If I have asked you to not post on my usertalk page, please respect that request and don't do it. If you do anyway, I'll simply delete it and seek your block. I like butterscotch; oddly enough, I also like butter and scotch. Funny how that worked out. In any case, I don't know how that matters here, but I'm just throwing that out there, in case anyone wants to send me some.

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Please comment on Talk:Charli XCX

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Please comment on Talk:Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

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My apologies.

Regarding my misinterpretation of your contribution on the Space Elevator talk page 2.5 years ago, my face is completely red. I had interpreted it then the same way as the other commenter. It would have been odd for an author to hype up his article like that, but I think that's why it lodged in my memory and led me to looking it up again. I can also see how the rebuking from the other contributor would have lodged into your own memory. Sorry to have pointed the finger at you so wrongly. Skyway (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for an elegant apology, Skyway. All is forgiven. I honestly wasn't aware of the other editor's rebuke, as I didn't follow the page and wasn't aware of it until you provided a link to the comment. Anyway, have a great day! :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Condescension vs. Constructivity

I find the tone of your comments on Captain Hook overtly condescending, and I ask you to try being more respectful. If you see a problem with an article, don't issue a vague "warning" from on high to that you're going to come in and fix things if somebody doesn't clean up their act. And don't tell other editors that we should be relieved that you didn't delete more. That isn't constructive and it certainly isn't "polite" (as you believe yourself to be), because it's pointlessly antagonistic. Misplaced Pages depends on civility, and frankly: you're not doing very well with that here. If you wish to make constructive criticism, try doing so by tagging specific things you think need improvement (citation needed, original research, etc). Or actually make the improvements that you think are needed, rather than berating other editors for not making them already. You are no one's supervisor or superior here; please stop acting like you are. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Clearly, you missed the point. If you choose to revert things twice without discussing them, and without a solid basis for doing so, you are going to get trout-slapped. Yes, I am not going to stay polite and gentle if you refuse to get the point. You got civility in the edit summary. When you fail to heed it or get offended by the suggestion of doing the actual work, then you are essentially handing me the paddle to smack you with. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 09:28, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

"Incivility consists of personal attacks, rudeness and disrespectful comments. Especially when done in an aggressive manner, these often alienate editors and disrupt the project through unproductive stressors and conflict." You are being rude and disrespectful, and making thinly veiled personal attacks. The metaphors of physical violence are inappropriate. Please try to be less confrontational. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:18, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Copy/pasting blocks of policy text on my page doesn't help your cause, Jason. My comments and edit summaries were polite until you decided to go ahead and revert with the comment that the info you thought should be in the Lede was obvious.

Which begs the question: aren't you getting the point? Is it because that, while recognizing that my points are correct, that you simply don't like the way they were made? If so, then II am sorry you felt your feelings were hurt by being told to fix the problem instead of reverting.

Now, unless you plan on actually getting down to brass tacks (the actual problem), I think we're done here. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne

I hope this will suffice, as I believe it sounds more encyclopedic than "other characters" and there is a page for List of Batman supporting characters. DarkKnight2149 14:10, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

The reason I find the phrase "Batman's supporting characters" to be correct is because Batman is the primary/titular character when it comes to the Batman franchise. That's why there is a page called List of Batman supporting characters and that's why the phrase "Batman's rogues gallery" is correct. And if you still disagree, how would you propose we re-word it? "Batman and other characters" just doesn't sound encyclopedic and "other characters" could mean anything. DarkKnight2149 14:34, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Darkknight2149. The reason why I find the phrase "Batman and other characters" is that Batman is in fact a character, and Gotham is an ensemble piece. If anything, it could be strongly argued that the show is arguably more about Jim Gordon's evolution than Bruce Wayne's. So we aren't talking about stories that rotate around Batman as the centerpiece. They are all characters. What they will possibly become is in the future, and we have to deal with the material we are given.

The edit you are suggest would in fact be more appropriate were the Gotham series more like Smallville, wherein virtually every scene from every episode used Clark as the main character. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

What is your opinion on these possible alternatives?:

• Gotham, a 2014 series about the origins of the Batman franchise characters
• Gotham, a 2014 series about the origins of the Batman mythos
• Gotham, a 2014 series that acts as a prequel to the Batman mythos
• Gotham, a 2014 series about the origins of the DC Comics characters that appear in Gotham City
• Gotham, a 2014 series about the origins of the DC Comics characters that appear in Batman comic books
• Gotham, a 2014 series about the origins of the characters that appear in Batman comic books DarkKnight2149 22:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

I can see you have put some thought into this. Of them, the last would work for me. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. DarkKnight2149 01:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago!

Come join us on Saturday, March 5th between 12PM - 5PM for the Art+Feminism 2016 edit-a-thon at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago! We'll be focusing our efforts on women involved in the arts, and a list of articles for artists in Chicago and the U.S. Midwest has been compiled at the project page. The event is free, but only if you register at the project page ahead of time. I'll be there, and I hope to see you there too! I JethroBT (talk) 06:31, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Misplaced Pages again, as you did at Natalie Portman, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. See the talk page. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 18:53, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Listen, you pretentious ass-hat: if you consider this edit to be "blanking page content or templates", you might want to consider how we do things here in Wikiedpia. First of all, you don't template the regulars. Secondly, you actually take the time to use the discussion page to hash out difference of opinions. Thirdly, you had best understand the terms that you are accusing people of violating. I will get over your behavioral faux-pas (aka, 'major fuck-up'); if you do it again, however, you will shed any assumption of good faith you will ever get from me. Consider that your last warning. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Jack Sebastian, I have refactored the template above so it is easier for you to parse and less likely to push your buttons. My apologies for the need to template you. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 20:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

Sundayclose (talk) 23:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

It's Bolter21

I will return to Misplaced Pages on the 21st of April after a vacation for Passover. I accept mentorship and to ceaes my work on the State of Palestine and other related topics. I decided to block myself becuase I really have other things to do and this whole topic really makes it difficult and this have harsh consiquences on my daily life. I have mentioned it already before it happened--User:Bolter21 22:43 (UTC+2), 15 April 2016 (not logged in).--User:Bolter21 22:43 (UTC+2), 15 April 2016 (not logged in). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.220.222 (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

That's part of the thing, Bolter21; you cannot let this become an all-or-nothing arrangement for you. There are absolute effing trolls rolling around Misplaced Pages, and 90% of them just think they are smarter than the average editor, and don't see their trollish behavior as such. I lose my cool with recalcitrant ass hats who think our policies are only ther for lesser folk; I still have trouble keeping my cool, and I've been here in one form or another since 2008! We are all works in progress, as my sister would say.

I am not suggesting that you leave Misplaced Pages altogether, but instead to edit something you don't have deep feelings for, like a tv show from your childhood, or a town in a country where you have never been (but always wanted to visit). By not having any real need to edit an article except to simply do it for fun, you get freed up to see the process of editing. You get to see compromise and consensus get built up organically, and not via an external, nationalism pov. I can absolutely guarantee you that no one is changing their viewpoint of either Palestine or Israel based upon a Misplaced Pages article. So let go of the need to "win". Just have fun, and contribute something to the wiki because you want to, not because you feel you have to. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Searched for a mentor, found two options, but now I don't know. Do I really need a mentor? I still belive what I had on the talk:State of Palestine was just a huge overreaction to a dispute. I withdrew from the debate on the article, which generally ended immidiatly after and my question is, why do I need a mentor? I now return to the starting point of the discussion, saying I did nothing wrong and my position on the debate was not based on POV but on over 45 sources I cited, which were saying a different thing than a consensus, reached by a democratic vote and horribly presented, with no sources at all (although later one miserable and highly dubious source was given, but WP:WEIGHT). I changed my focus to other things for now, continued my work on the Musmus article and made a stub for Rashid Hussein who was born in that village. Less politics, more things that interest me, and much more AGF than a POV Push. I am on Misplaced Pages for almost a year (actually, tommorow will be my first anniversery) and the last time I violated a law was in September, some six months ago. Insteed of "tempering my POV", I just became more indifferent to those topics after this huge discussion in the ANI and after the end of the heated week and a lovely vaccation in a nice place I just realised I don't care. Someone questioned the lead-section of the Palestinians article, that says they are an "ethnic group", something I personally disagree about, but I really didn't feel the need to argue about it or start a battleground on it. My temper went down and now I feel like saying "take it easy.. maaaan...". So.. why do I need a mentor? I am asking not as a matter of trying to avoid it, but as an honest question--Bolter21 (talk to me) 22:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

A mentor acts like your better nature, telling you 'hey, do you really want to get worked up over this?' or as a knowledgeable friend or tutor: 'is this the best way to address this problem?' In short, the answer is yes, Bolter21, I think you do need a mentor. Your temper gets the best of you (as it does with everyone) and you have trouble de0escalating from the problem. You get upset at the comments of others and have trouble disengaging from the discussion pissing you off. The problem with your most recent issue was definitely the page but, at a deeper level, this is all about how you chose to walk through what you knew full well was going to be a minefield. A mentor can help you run through these problems before they become problems.

I am glad your break gave you time to calm down. A mentor will help you learn how to calm down while still editing. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Jack and I are pretty much saying the same thing Bolter. I think we all know the score, and the solution. Irondome (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:To Pimp a Butterfly

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Nolantron

The ever persistent nuisance, sock puppeteer Nolantron, now seems to be targeting you (in addition to the people he was already targeting, including myself). Nolantron now appears to be impersonating users as well. If you receive any strangely ominous messages or block notices, you may want to verify their authenticity before taking taking them seriously, especially if they appear to be from me or TJH2018 (who is a real user that was impersonated, not just a Nolantron alias). If you haven't already created doppelganger accounts or pages, that would be a wise decision. DarkKnight2149 23:15, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not too worried about it. Its just a kid with a self-inflated opinion of how powerful they are on the internet. And apparently, a preoccupation with male genitalia. Unless he's asking me to Homecoming Dance, I'm pretty much going to ignore the boy. - My time is better utilized elsewhere. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Really? Now its the time to fear!! File:Red feces.png

 Compliments from Nolantron 24.114.76.165 (talk) 05:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Time (Electric Light Orchestra album)

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