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Link to press release

You reference the press release. You should provide a link to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY1WV6jweRU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:641:C000:BA5D:288F:4707:9259:6AB0 (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

What I posted was from the local news and linked to the news of the time. Mr. Gibson went from posting pictures of dogs on his facebook page (prior to Oct. 2016) to a full on Trump supporter holding Trump rallies in his hometown of Vancouver WA. This is how his 'Patriot Prayer' group started as a pro-Trump group who's ranks are filled with local Alt-right groups. I only post what I find in the local news, and from their social media outlets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C. W. Gilmore (talk • contribs) 22:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Rv, why

Really. Trump supporting? Please don't continue with such rubbish. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Tagged as C. W. Gilmore can't be arsed to discuss per bird. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Other sources support that though. The Washington Post for instance. However, Gibson denies this at just after 3 minutes in the video here. Doug Weller talk 11:25, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

They may support Trump, or not, it just does not belong in the first line, it is obviously pov pushing. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:30, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Joey Gibson has stated on numerous occasions that Patriot Prayer is not a pro-Trump group, and not even necessarily conservative. PP is about free speech and bring people of diverse backgrounds and opinions together.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/15/seattle-patriot-prayer-rally-takes-twist-leader-gibson-denounces-supremacists

" width="560" height="401" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowTransparency="true" allowFullScreen="true" Link from UP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.143.11 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed, @C. W. Gilmore: Please do not restore it again. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2017 (UTC) The source also said they were pro-Trump but you chose to remove that factaul part. In fact, repeatedly, from the local media in Portland and Seattle, to the national media refer to them as "Pro-Trump" but you continue to remove all mention of it in a very odd bit of editing. "Pro-Trump"- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/26/a-pro-trump-group-canceled-its-rally-but-san-francisco-prepared-for-violence-anyway/?utm_term=.6cee8a0dc082 "Pro-Trump"- http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/pro-trump-demonstrators-counter-protesters-rally-in-downtown-seattle/ "Pro-Trump"- http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/us/san-francisco-berkeley-rallies/index.html "Pro-Trump"- http://thehill.com/homenews/news/348209-no-hate-protesters-assault-pro-trump-protesters-in-california

The "Patriot Prayer" even held "Pro-Trump" events with "Trump" in the title of the event as listed in the Facebook page: APR2 "Rally for Trump and Freedom" Sun 1:00 PM PDT · 171 guests Portland, OR JUN4 "Trump Free Speech Rally Portland" Sun 2:00 PM PDT · 502 guests Terry D. Schrunk Plaza Portland, OR You can't have it both ways: You can not pick which rules you like then change them when it does not suit you. Either take the sources for what they say exactly or not. This group may currently say they are not Alt-right or Pro-Trump, but their history on both, point to a very different past; to erase that past is to rewrite history.

Quoting directly from the article: "The conservative, pro-President Trump group, Patriot Prayer,..." http://komonews.com/news/local/one-arrested-after-demonstrators-clash-at-evergreen-state-college

Sloppy lazy journalism, also were exactly does provocatively appear in that source? Darkness Shines (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

The 'Bret Weinstein' issue had been going on for almost a month at the Evergreen, but 'Patriot Prayer' picks the same time and same place to 'rally' as the anti-fascist group had chosen; how is this not provocative? 'Patriot Prayer' made the 100mi trip north to pick a fight and then to claim they were the victims. http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/protests-roil-evergreen-campus-in-olympia-again/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evergreen-state-college-another-side_us_598cd293e4b090964295e8fc

Also it is not 'Sloppy lazy journalism' as the 'Patriot Prayer' all started with Pro-Trump rallies last autumn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBasZjUFPCc

Many of their events they even labled on Youtube as 'Trump and Freedom' rallies in Portland Or. and Seattle WA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG_xw3QDk_I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc5ghZeZnRY&t=89s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQuCch_j1W — Preceding unsigned comment added by C. W. Gilmore (talk • contribs) 00:40, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Please read WP:INDENT If the source does not say provocative neither do we. Darkness Shines (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Location

Is Portland, Oregon-based Patriot Prayer I am unsure why @ORRob00: changed it to Vancouver, Washington. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Alt right

Gibson, you use this sourc from the SPLC, it does not define PP as being alt-right, just that they attended an alt-right rally. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually that source says that Patriot Prayer organized that rally: "Joey Gibson, whose Patriot Prayer organization was the event’s main organizer." (And I assume you were addressing C. W. Gilmore, who I really wish would sign and indent their talk page posts properly.) Funcrunch (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I meant the source does not define PP as alt-right, and as such neither should we, especially as the source cited is an opinion piece by a contributing writer for the Southern Poverty Law Center's blog, Hatewatch. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Once again an editor has added alt-right to the lede, however the BBC does not say what @Sangdeboeuf: has written, "classed as alt-right", the source says, "Patriot Prayer is considered to be connected with the alt-right and other far-right groups", there is a big difference between considered to be and being classified as. As such I will be removing it. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:24, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

What do you consider to be the "big difference" here? As far as I know there is no "official" classification for terms like alt-right after all. Funcrunch (talk) 15:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I never said there was an official classification, I said there is a difference between what was written and what the source actually says. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I've replaced "alt-right" with "right-wing" in the lede per the AP, while leaving the BBC reference to the alt-right in place. Hopefully that's clearer. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:04, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

yup, that's grand. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:14, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

However, other sources also support the "alt-right" label. From Newsweek: "The alt-right 'Freedom Rally' in the park just below San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge on August 26 is being staged by a group called Patriot Prayer." —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

the Guardian source has one person saying “I just had this image of alt-right people stomping around in the poop,” and uses alt-right once itself in scare quotes, I wouldn't think that the best source to label a bunch of people as fascists. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

The Newsweek source is just a clone of the Guardian one. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

The SPLC's Hatewatch strongly implies, even without explicitly stating it, that Gibson and Patriot Prayer, the "main organizer" of the June 4th rally, should be included among the "300 or so Trump supporters and alt-right 'free speech' defenders". —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:13, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Hatewatch is a blog, so attributed opinion only, can't be used for statements of fact. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Would that include statements such as "nor does regard Gibson as an extremist"? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the Hatewatch piece cited in that edit says nothing I can find vis-à-vis any official positions on whether or not Gibson is an "extremist". I've removed that statement. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

References

1. Wong, Julia Carrie (24 August 2017). "Turd Reich: San Francisco dog owners lay minefield of poo for rightwing rally". The Guardian.
2. Lanktree, Graham (25 August 2017). "San Francisco is welcoming an alt-right rally with a pile of dog droppings". Newsweek.
3. Neiwert, David (June 6, 2017). "Defiant Alt-Right 'Patriots' Encounter Portland's Simmering Anger After Train Killings". Hatewatch. Southern Poverty Law Center.
4. Neiwert, David (25 August 2017). "What You Need To Know About Saturday's 'Patriot' Rally In San Francisco". Hatewatch. Southern Poverty Law Center.

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