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| Many articles assert ] by claiming that the subject has received an ]. Oftentimes the award is also used in a secondary manner, with the award website or a passing mention of the receipt of the award in the news being used as an ] for the article. However, awards themselves are often not notable or covered by independent third party sources. Awards range from the unquestionably notable, such as the ] and the US ] to the dubious awards issued by various promotional webpages. | Many articles assert ] by claiming that the subject has received an ]. Oftentimes the award is also used in a secondary manner, with the award website or a passing mention of the receipt of the award in the news being used as an ] for the article. However, awards themselves are often not notable or covered by independent third party sources. Awards range from the unquestionably notable, such as the ] and the US ] to the dubious awards issued by various promotional webpages. | ||
| However, if the award is to be used as a notability |
However, if the award is to be used as a notability criteria, and, by extension, an article source, it must itself be considered notable. Specifically, it must meet the criteria by: | ||
| *Being covered by multiple, independent, non-trivial sources. | |||
| *The award (''not'' its ''recipients'') must have been discussed non-trivially in multiple, independent, reliable verifiable secondary sources— a long list of famous people receiving an award does not make that award notable, what makes it notable is independent sources discussing ''that award''. | |||
| *The award itself must be |
*The award itself must be truly ] from the recipient ( (] is an example of failing this criteria: he was awarded the title "Hero of Turkmenistan" five times and the ] once by his rubber-stamp parliament). There may be a ] if the award is presented in a small field where most of the eligible candidates personally know each other. | ||
| It ''may'' indicate an award meets the criteria if there's a Misplaced Pages article on it, if the article is properly sourced and verified. However this indicator is tenuous at best since ] and the article may not have been written yet or merits deletion and hasn't been deleted yet. | |||
| If a Misplaced Pages article already exists on the award being used to support a notability claim, that article ''may'' indeed suggest that person's notability. However, there have been several instances on Misplaced Pages where one person has written up a poorly sourced Misplaced Pages article on a minor or obscure (or entirely fabricated) award, and then another person has taken that article and used it is a Wiki-linked reference in another article on a person as evidence of ''that'' person's notability— both articles usually end up being deleted, starting with the one on the award. | |||
| Conclusion: if you come across an article about someone whose claim to being notable looks shaky to you and seems to be mostly centered on his/ her having won some award that you have never heard of, and if there is ''no'' Misplaced Pages article on that award, the article on the ''person'' should probably be nominated for deletion review; if you find yourself in the same situation BUT there is a Wikilink to the unheard-of award, check on that award's article and see what THAT looks like. If the sources there are shaky, only consist of lists of recipients, and don't seem to discuss the award itself ''as an award'', then you may be justified in nominating ''both'' articles (the person and the supposed award) for deletion. You may also want to see which other Misplaced Pages articles also mention recipients of this award to see if they, too, are basing their notability claims on it, and you may then want to nominate for deletion those which without this award have no meaningful claim to being notable. | |||
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Many articles assert notability by claiming that the subject has received an award. Oftentimes the award is also used in a secondary manner, with the award website or a passing mention of the receipt of the award in the news being used as an third-party source for the article. However, awards themselves are often not notable or covered by independent third party sources. Awards range from the unquestionably notable, such as the Nobel Prize and the US Medal of Honor to the dubious awards issued by various promotional webpages.
However, if the award is to be used as a notability criteria, and, by extension, an article source, it must itself be considered notable. Specifically, it must meet the criteria by:
- Being covered by multiple, independent, non-trivial sources.
- The award itself must be truly independent from the recipient ( (Turkmenbashi is an example of failing this criteria: he was awarded the title "Hero of Turkmenistan" five times and the Magtymguly International Prize once by his rubber-stamp parliament). There may be a conflict of interest if the award is presented in a small field where most of the eligible candidates personally know each other.
It may indicate an award meets the criteria if there's a Misplaced Pages article on it, if the article is properly sourced and verified. However this indicator is tenuous at best since Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source and the article may not have been written yet or merits deletion and hasn't been deleted yet.
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