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The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.

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I understand that you are upset but you do need to be careful editing in the caste etc topic areas, and calling people names will not help you. Please do take note of the information above, calm down and try not to flood the talk page with so much information that it puts people off responding. Misplaced Pages works on the basis of consensus, so if you don't get any responses at all then you have little chance of seeing any changes made to the article as a result of your comments. The Raju article has already been the target of sockpuppets and caste warriors on quite a large scale and that also makes regular contributors somewhat jaundiced when it comes to dealing with it. - Sitush (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Please also note that this type of misleading edit summary is not going to endear you to people. You didn't "correct" the year of birth but rather removed what appears to be reliably sourced, relevant information and inserted some completely different information that has everything to do with caste claims and nothing to do with year of birth. - Sitush (talk) 02:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree that editing Alluri Sitarama Raju was a mistake. And I won't repeat that. But I want to know why you are restricting Raju article? When there is a consensus among Government, Courts, Academics, Media outlets, why do you have to keep reverting the edits? Are you from India and from Andhra Pradesh? Do you have any first hand experiences about these communities? When a great Historian like Kumar Suresh Singh calls Rajus Kshatriyas, why doesn't that find a mention? And why is it that you have to decide which reference should be used in the article? Why do you only have the right to push your POV as opposed to others POV? Are you the owner of Wiki? I am asking out of curiosity. And I never called anyone names. It is really frustrating that even after providing many references you just keep ignoring them. BTW who are these admins? Are they historians? Sharkslayer87 (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

March 2018

The Misplaced Pages community has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on any editor who is active on any page about social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties, related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or a topic ban. The discussion leading to the imposition of these sanctions can be read here. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/South Asian social groups.

—SpacemanSpiff 06:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Raju

Hi, I am not even going to try understanding your latest post at Talk:Raju. You are writing walls of text (48k characters in this instance) and I am unable to cope with it. It is obvious to me that you are from the Raju community and here to push a point across various articles relating to them. Given that, I already know that I will never convince you that there may be a need for compromise on your position, regardless of how many sources and explanations of Misplaced Pages policy regarding synthesis etc I may give you. Good luck in getting someone to respond to what you have just written there - I did tell you previously that you're bombarding the talk page in a manner that is unlikely to be productive. - Sitush (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I have replied to your latest post at Talk:Raju. I remain concerned that you are being overly aggressive in trying to impose a very one-sided point of view. - Sitush (talk) 21:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018

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• Furthermore, you are pushing the "Andhra Kshatriya" thing at this article and various others. You've had this explained to you in the past. Sitush (talk) 21:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
• I think you have also made a copyright violation at Vatsavaya. Certainly, the first few words come straight from the source you cite, although I can only see a limited view of it. Do I need to check every contribution you have made? - Sitush (talk) 21:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Am I not allowed to use genuine sources? Sharkslayer87 (talk)

• Read WP:COPYRIGHT. It turns out that I am indeed having to revert a lot of what you have done recently, for various reasons but mostly involving that, poor sourcing and poor phrasing. For example, you can't say "X are descended from the Solar dynasty" - that is utter nonsense because the dynasty never existed; at best, you could say "X claim descent from the mythological Solar dynasty". - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• I will correct myself wherever it is needed. My intention is to show facts and not someone's POV Sharkslayer87 (talk)

• Well, you haven't done a good job of avoiding POV since you began contributing. In fact, you appear to be a classic Raju pov pusher. - Sitush (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

You are doing a good job of suppressing truths. You are a classic Anti Raju pov pusher Sharkslayer87 (talk)

Your recent editing history at Raju shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Sitush (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Final Warning

Do not make threats. Do not issue ultimatums. Do not unilaterally make controversial edits that have been challenged without WP:CONSENSUS. Do not edit to advance any agenda or your preferred version of truth. You are extremely close to being blocked for your disruptive editing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I concur with that. Your (Sharkslayer87's) language in this discussion gave me the shivers towards the end. --Prüm (talk) 01:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Which language(Prum)? My response to him when he called Rajus are self glorifying people? or my response when he ignored Evan Prichard who is considered one of the greatest social scientists of all time? Why am I being warned again(Ad Orientem)? I have stopped editing the Raju article. Please let me know what else I need to do? Sharkslayer87 (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Please tone down your voice just a little bit. We can hear you even so. The issue will eventually be rectified, I hope. --Prüm (talk) 01:56, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Prum, I hope you can understand what I have gone through in the last month. Please read the talk page with an unbiased mind. I have provided many sources which prove the Kshatriya status of Rajus. They are recorded as Kshatriyas by the government and they are accepted as such by the society. I provided historical sources, anthropological sources, news paper reports and a lot more. This particular Sitush wouldn't consider any of those as good enough. Why should this truth be suppressed. They say that I was involving in edit war but please look at this. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Raju&diff=839049605&oldid=839047790. I was trying to add sourced content but Sitush was reverting it to Rajulu citation needed. In what way is that helping wikipedia? Why should we suppress the truth. When I write something in the talk page, nobody responds but when I make an edit with genuine sources, I get reverted. He even dismissed Evan Prichard's source as useless. Can you please suggest me what I can do? I was completely helpless and that made me go to the dispute resolution board. I will be grateful if at least one editor understands the pain I have been put through all these days for no fault of mine. To my knowledge, I have never added any unsourced content in any of my edits. Even if I did that, I apologized immediately. I want justice here. I hope you will understand my situation. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 02:15, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Please stay patient. It may be an uphill battle for you, but if you're convinced of your cause, you can do it. I don't know who could help you, but there sure are many Indians out there who have an opinion on this matter? Also, apologizing alone won't do, in my opinion. You must do that with conviction as well, I believe. Greetings, --Prüm (talk) 02:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Clarification I am not warning you about the content of your edits, which I take no position on. My warning was directed at the manner of your editing and what was being said and implied in your edit summaries. Your edit summaries had an almost imperious tone and sounded like you were issuing ultimatums. Also you sound like someone who is here with a WP:AGENDA or to right great wrongs. That is extremely problematic since it indicates you are having difficulty approaching the subject from a neutral standpoint. If you are here to champion some cause you are in the wrong place. Again I advice you to read WP:DR and proceed from there. I can all but guarantee your request for a hearing by ARBCOM is going nowhere. I again advise you to withdraw it. Your unwillingness to listen to opinions and advice that you don't seem to care for is not helpful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Can we say "impartial" rather than "neutral", please? Some people may feel offended by the latter. The former makes it sound nicer. --Prüm (talk) 07:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Eh? I believe it is WP:NPOV, not WP:IPOV. - Sitush (talk) 07:31, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, stark case of keyboard abuse. Think before typing and so forth. --Prüm (talk) 10:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Sharkslayer87, in March you took this issue to WP:DRN and to WP:ANI. Now you have taken it to ArbCom. Meanwhile, at least three people with vast experience of Misplaced Pages's ways have been reverting your efforts at Raju. You are, I think, already familiar with the sanctions regimes that apply and I think you have been very fortunate not to have been topic banned by now because your agenda is clear and you are being immensely disruptive. Please don't push your luck: it is better to be inside and able to do something than to be outside and unable to do anything. - Sitush (talk) 05:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

So, Sitush can call the entire community as self glorifying and it is not wrong? I try to provide genuine sources and it is a mistake? Why should I stop providing genuine sources? I will continue to provide genuine sources as that is what wikipedia stands for. If I get topic banned for providing correct sources and Sitush gets support for calling an entire community self glorifying people, so be it. I apologize to the people if my tone sounded wrong. I will not repeat that, but I will not stop providing genuine sources and will continue to do my stuff till the article is corrected Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I will continue to work at the talk page Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't have an agenda. My only agenda is to make sure that the Raju article reflects reality. I will provide genuine sources and try to make my point without flouting any rules. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Nallaparaju

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Thanks, I will rephrase the sentences and add it again. I apologize for copyright infringement. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You will need to write it entirely in your own words - it was a straight word-for-word copy. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I will do that. I apologize for doing a straight word-for-word copy. I am relatively new to wikipedia and still learning the ropes but I will continue to correct myself. Thanks for your response. Cheers. Sharkslayer87 (talk) 10:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

This discretionary sanction now applies to you

For relentless caste promotion and misuse of sources, I have decided, in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the terms of this community discussion, to impose the following sanction on you:

You have been indefinitely topic banned from making any edits to caste-related pages and discussions. Please read the policy about topic bans to see what a topic ban is, and note especially that it applies to all Misplaced Pages pages, including for instance user talkpages. However, you have opened a Request for arbitration against another user about a caste issue, and I don't want to stop you taking part in that, so I'll make an exception for the page Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case. You may comment freely there about caste as long as your request for arbitration remains open, but nowhere else.

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You may appeal this sanction to the community at the administrators' noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me on my talk page, before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | talk 10:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)