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Semi-protected edit request for Abraham Lincoln

Some sources I found that could be added for the "assassination" section on the Abraham Lincoln page. These have mentioned by some respected sources, and even a few historians.

“As he died his breathing grew quieter, his face more calm. According to some accounts, at his last drawn breath, on the morning after the assassination, he smiled broadly and then expired. Historians, most notably author Lee Davis have emphasized Lincoln's peaceful appearance when and after he died: "It was the first time in four years, probably, that a peaceful expression crossed his face." Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Lincoln Administration, Maunsell Bradhurst Field wrote, "I had never seen upon the President's face an expression more genial and pleasing." The President’s secretary, John Hay, saw "a look of unspeakable peace came upon his worn features".

References

1. Tarbell, Ida Minerva (1920). The Life of Abraham Lincoln. Vol. 4. p. 40.
2. Fox, Richard (2015). Lincoln's Body: A Cultural History. W. W. Norton & Company. ISBN 0393247244.
3. Smith, Adam (8 July 2015). "With a smile on his face" – via content.The Times Literary Supplement.co.uk.
4. "Now He Belongs to the Ages - BackStory with the American History Guys". Abraham Lincoln died, according to press reports, with a smile on his face. "I had never seen upon the president's face an expression more genial and pleasings," wrote a New York Times reporter.
5. Abel, E. Lawrence (2015). A Finger in Lincoln's Brain: What Modern Science Reveals about Lincoln, His Assassination, and Its Aftermath. ABC-CLIO. Chapter 14.
6. "President Lincoln's Thoughts on April 14, 1865". When he finally gave up the struggle for life at 7:22 A.M., his face was fixed in a smile, according to one bedside witness, treasury official, a smile that seemed almost an effort of life. Lincoln has passed on smoothly and contentedly, his facial expression suggesting that inner peace that prevailed as his final state of mind.
7. Assassinations That Changed The World, History Channel
8. "OUR GREAT LOSS; The Assassination of President Lincoln.DETAILS OF THE FEARFUL CRIME.Closing Moments and Death of the President.Probable Recovery of Secretary Seward. Rumors of the Arrest of the Assassins.The Funeral of President Lincoln to Take Place Next Wednesday.Expressions of Deep Sorrow Through-out the Land. OFFICIAL DISPATCHES. THE ASSASSINATION. Further Details of the Murder Narrow Recape of Secretary Stanton Measures Taken is Prevent the Escape of the Assassin of the President. LAST MOMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT. Interesting Letter from Maunsell B. Field Esq. THE GREAT CALAMITY". The New York Times. 1865-04-17. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2016-04-12.
9. "Now He Belongs to the Ages - BackStory with the American History Guys". Abraham Lincoln died, according to press reports, with a smile on his face. "I had never seen upon the president's face an expression more genial and pleasings," wrote a New York Times reporter.
10. Hay, John (1915). The Life and Letters of John Hay Volume 1 (quote's original source is Hay's diary which is quoted in "Abraham Lincoln: A History", Volume 10, Page 292 by John G. Nicolay and John Hay). Houghton Mifflin Company.

• Thanks! I’ve made that addition. Let's see how it fares. UpdateNerd (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Alta California merger

Hi UpdateNerd, I just wanted to say there was no need to list the above merger at WP:PM as being "done" if you were going to do it yourself anyway: the page is for people who are unsure how to tag and perform the merger themselves, and are asking for help in doing it. In any case, there was no point in tagging it for a proposed merger if you were going to carry it out yourself anyway a few hours later, as you did – either do the merger boldly straight away and see if someone reverts it, in which case follow WP:BRD: or tag the pages and wait a week or two to see if anybody contributes to the discussion.

You also shouldn't have deleted the page, but redirected it to the page of the merged article: an admin has corrected your mistake, so don't worry about this now... just wanted to let you know for next time. Richard3120 (talk) 22:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks Richard3120, I gathered that as I went. I didn't delete the page, just flagged it and someone did the redirect. Now I remember that a redirect is the proper way to go. My first time doing the merger process so I wanted to be thorough. Thanks for bearing with my newb mistake & clarifying the process for the next time. UpdateNerd (talk) 22:48, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

No problem – looking at the past versions of the two pages, I think you were right to carry out the bold merger. No harm done. :-) Richard3120 (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Supreme being merge

If it's reverted again, I recommend waiting longer (WP:MERGECLOSE for more information). Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 04:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks, I hadn't seen that page or time limit. I'd been told to just go for it if it seemed incontrovertible per WP:BOLD. It's in my watchlist should I need to reprocess it. UpdateNerd (talk) 04:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: I restored my edits with justification for doing so. You can see the footage of the Soviets' arrival here. (Ignore the Youtube user's title for the video, which is inaccurate.) History.com and other documentaries' use of the footage proves it came from the USSR footage made in Berlin, not some fake. (Also, the bullet wounds match what is described in the article, and the skin deformation shows evidence of partial, but not complete burning at that point.) UpdateNerd (talk) 10:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Please don't remove deletion nominations from images you have uploaded. Wait for an administrator to review. Your addition of the photo has been challenged. Per the WP:BRD cycle, you need to proceed to the talk page and discuss, not re-add your edit. I have opened a thread at the article talk page Talk:Death of Adolf Hitler#I have removed an image, where you are welcome to add comments. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 10:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death

If you continue your POV editing on this article, making the conspiracy theories seem more creditable ny changing phrasing, I will ask for a topi ban for you. You must stop. Your next violation of WP:NPOV will result in a report to WP:ANI. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:21, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for all your work on cleaning up Star Wars and List of Star Wars films and television series. The unliateral edits by CapLiber and others were making it chaotic. - R9tgokunks ⭕ 21:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope it's a Wookiee cookie! UpdateNerd (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Li

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You're doing it again

No, a short piece about the CIA investigating a report that Hitler lived in Columbia does not support adding the qualifier "most" to the fact that historians and other experts reject the idea that Hitler didn;t commit suicide in the bunker and instead escaped to South America. The CIA investigates things, that's their job -- they are not historians or scientific experts, nor, in fact, did they report any truth to the claim.

I've warned you before that if you continue to try to water down Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death to make the theories look more acceptable than they are, you would be reported at AN/I and a topic ban sought to prevent you from editing the article. You must stop this behavior.

I suggest that Diannaa, Kierzek and K.e.coffman might like to contribute to this discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:32, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

The reference I added actually states that most historians believe he died in Berlin. The headline is insignificant. But I recognize that the proper way to push for the change would be to obtain consensus, so I won't try to add it again myself. Cheers UpdateNerd (talk) 05:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

UpdateNerd, BMK is correct! Remember, "if ten people tell you you're drunk...", you best lie down. Kierzek (talk) 14:10, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Making BOLD edits in good faith is what Misplaced Pages is all about. If you disagree with a single edit you can just revert it, ideally by stating which part of a policy was being broken. I don't have an agenda to weaken the article, just make it better. UpdateNerd (talk) 15:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

That is trumped by WP:V and WP:consensus and WP:RS and don't forget WP:Deadhorse, in the back of your mind, which is what this is. Kierzek (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

True about consensus, etc., but dead horse is a moot point. The article I cited (using the phrase most historians) is post-2009, when the DNA testing was done. I'm not saying that this has caused all modern historians to revise their position, but the ones that believe in science most likely will. UpdateNerd (talk) 17:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for Abraham Lincoln

In the "assassination" section on the Abraham Lincoln page, can you change the words “According to eyewitnesses, he face was fixed in a smile when he expired” to “According to some accounts, at his last drawn breath, on the morning after the assassination, he smiled broadly and then expired”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.65.40 (talk) 15:19, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I think the current wording is simpler and makes more sense. Did you want to emphasize that only some eyewitnesses reported this, or was there another part that was looking inaccurate? UpdateNerd (talk) 21:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Here is one; add in these words before the John Hay source and it have it be a part of it. "John Hay, the president's personal secretary, observed that "a look of unspeakable peace came over his worn features."

References

1. Hay, John (1915). The Life and Letters of John Hay Volume 1 (quote's original source is Hay's diary which is quoted in "Abraham Lincoln: A History", Volume 10, Page 292 by John G. Nicolay and John Hay). Houghton Mifflin Company. Retrieved April 25, 2014.

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Death of Adolf Hitler

While edits are welcome that are helpful, you seem to be becoming obsessed with changing and making additions to this GA rated article. Since you have not worked on bringing an article up to GA before, let me tell you that this article has been well vetted and the words used, sentence structure, paragraph placements have been poured over as to detail and consensus of the WP:RS sources; also as to grammar and frankly agreement of the editors. Some of your edits/additions have been fine, but you are now making wholesale changes and moving paragraphs around. This is becoming disruptive. If this continues the article could lose its GA rating. Therefore, you may be reverted, especially when you do not have agreement/consensus for said changes and additions. Especially, an article such as this, we do not want to add speculation and non-verified conjecture or something merely reported by some unknown and unnamed person. If you have questions, I will try to answer them and Diannaa and Beyond My Ken may want to comment, as well. Please also see WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Thank you, Kierzek (talk) 14:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Consensus

How will I get a consensus if nobody talks on the discussion page that I have opened?

All I want is to add to the heading that Spain participated in the war. JamesOredan (talk) 18:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Wait longer than a day for a conversation to occur. I’ll share my point of view there rather than explaining where no one will see it. UpdateNerd (talk) 18:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I deleted an edition claiming that the information that Spain participated in the war already appears in the header, but on the other hand France also appears at the beginning of the heading and afterwards it is also mentioned that it participated in other paragraphs.

What kind of joke is this? JamesOredan (talk) 21:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln expression

Here is a part you can change for the assassination section on Abraham Lincoln; add in these words before the John Hay source and separate it from the witnesses who described Lincoln smiling when he died. "John Hay, the president's personal secretary, observed that "a look of unspeakable peace came over his worn features."

References

1. Hay, John (1915). The Life and Letters of John Hay Volume 1 (quote's original source is Hay's diary which is quoted in "Abraham Lincoln: A History", Volume 10, Page 292 by John G. Nicolay and John Hay). Houghton Mifflin Company. Retrieved April 25, 2014.

Re: Tantive IV

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Death of Adolf Hitler

Your continuing effort to WP:OWN this article by making frequent small changes to the content, and then reverting anyone who changes what you do is getting to be quite annoying. I suggest that you back off, unless you relish being brought to ANI for your behavior. Instead of reverting, discuss your objections on the talk page, and stop making many frequent tiny changes -- you are not the only editor of this article, nor are you the final arbiter of what goes into it. Please read and understand WP:OWN and adjust your behavior accordingly. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to force my changes (see the talk page for why the redundancy argument failed). I reverted your format changes made without edit summaries, which are always good to include so other editors can understand your reasoning. UpdateNerd (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Alien (franchise)

I love the work you have done with the Star Wars franchise, with the neat organization that correlates to the franchise and not the finer details for the individual pages. As such, I wanted to approach you, as I could use some serious help with the Alien franchise page. The whole page is a mess, with content from a separate crossover franchise - AvP - spilling over and all sorts of garbled nonsense everywhere. Would you be interested in diving in with me, to help fix up that trainwreck of a page? By the way, I see that nice IMDb link-- very impressive! Here's mine! DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 17:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! I'm fairly knowledgeable about that franchise and the ones it connects to, so I'd be happy to contribute as I have time. Cheers! UpdateNerd (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, that's splendid! The biggest problems facing the page are that it's constantly bombarded with content from AvP which deserves at most a minor mention near the bottom of the page, plus the duplication of content from other pages. People don't seem to understand that AvP isn't the same franchise. So, if you jump into it at the same time, we can tackle this page! DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 19:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it, but probably not much before the next week. In general, it's all about relevance. Articles on fiction don't necessarily need to be segregated based on in-universe franchise canonicity. What's most logical is referring to what has come before in real-world time, with references. If there are mentions to things that weren't yet produced because of an in-universe connection, it should be removed unless somehow relevant, and with even better sourcing.

In SW lingo, the original trilogy articles shouldn't reference the sequels that much, because they hadn't yet been made. But the sequel articles should mention the original trilogy, as those films contain many references to the older material. UpdateNerd (talk) 21:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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I don't think I was edit-warring; I instated a different version which attempted to address the point of confusion. Considering you also reverted yourself, wasn't this warning was a little preemptive? UpdateNerd (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

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