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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam/Criticism of Islam task force

• Delete : The group is explicitly created to promote articles with a certain POV (i.e. "Criticism") Wikiproject:Islam already exists for all topics regarding Islam to be discussed, a separate group for efforts promoting a negative view is inappropriate. Taskforces directed at advocating for articles that violate NPOV (eg articles that can be seen as criticizing Islam) is unprecedented. "Criticism" is usually a subsection of an article, and occasionally they get forked off into separate articles. Creating projects around pushing criticism is POV-guided from the start, and therefore violates Misplaced Pages rules. If this is okay, then I should be allowed to open a taskforce for articles promoting or admiring Islam, or a taskforce for articles that criticize Israel.Just examples. Shams2006 21:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: Does Criticism of Islam also exist to promote a negative view of Islam? It does not and therefore, a collaborative effort to improve articles on the main theme of Criticism of Islam is not promoting a negative view, rather it is striving to improve these articles which is a noble purpose. If "Criticism" looks POV to you, lets rename this taskforce to "Islam and Controversy" taskforce. --Matt57 21:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
  • A dishonest response. The taskforce mentions 'articles related to criticism of Islam", not the article "Criticism of Islam" itself. Therefore the purpose of this group is to promote anti-Islamic articles. Such discussions can be held in Wikiproject Islam itself, but your intention is to create a meeting ground for those with this POV bias.
    • So what? Articles about anti-Islamic things deserve to be well written, too. You would have a claim if this were being used to promote adding anti-Islamic bias, but it isn't. -Amarkov _edits 03:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
      • So what? There is one "Criticism of Islam" article, so what "articles about criticism of Islam" is Matt talking about? Wheres that category of articles listed? What Matt is talking about is articles with a theme that critisizes Islam in his own view. What he means is articles with a clear anti-Islam POV. He wants Misplaced Pages to feature articles that arent unbiased but critisizes Islam. That kind of promotion of one POV is unprecedented here. Would you be ok if I made a taskforce on topics criticizing Israel or America or Christians? No you wouldnt. Shams2006 03:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
        • So they want to improve that article. If you're going to complain someone is an evil POV pusher, you had better have evidence to back that up, not just an assertion that the project is intended to push anti-Islam bias. You have no evidence. -Amarkov _edits 03:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: The project's goals as stated on the page and talk page are not contrary to Misplaced Pages policies. I think the nominator misread the intent, so perhaps a different name would help. Also not sure if deletion is the right avenue to discuss an active project. —Doug Bell  21:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: Matt57 and Doug Bell are right. Arrow740 22:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Yes, it is to promote pages about criticism of Islam. So what? Those pages deserve to be well written, just like anything else. -Amarkov _edits 00:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep it clearly states that they the purpose is to improve the quality of a narrow (though there are a fair number of pages) topic. Can you demonstrate that they are doing something other than that? Koweja 01:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This is a statement made by the person who created this taskforce: "I believe the WikiProject Islam is not enough NPOV. There are many places on WP where people non-critical of Islam have grouped together, but there was no place there people critical of Islam could group together for collaboration." Firstly that statement is incorrect, there is no grouping for people with pro-Islam view. If this taskforce is allowed, a taskforce for articles promoting Islam should be allowed as well. Realistically I think we need a taskforce to address anti-Islam activism on Misplaced Pages. I trust you will all agree with that taskforce too? Shams2006 03:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Um... you can make it if you want, although I doubt it's necessary. -Amarkov _edits 03:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, their mission objective is "This is a project aimed at increasing the quality of the articles related to Criticism of Islam and its related articles, elevating the articles to "Good article" standard, and then all the way to "Featured article" standard" which is a perfectly acceptable goal. Now, as for the creator, I don't know, it does sound like he might be agenda pushing based on that one statement. Or he might not be and actually mean what he says. I read the talk page and that discussion was going nowhere and not revealing anything. Misplaced Pages requires us to assume good faith so I will for now. Should he prove to be a POV pusher, then he, and he alone, will be dealt with according to policy. Now, if it turns out that the taskforce is in fact pushing an anti-Islam agenda, then we can get rid of it (and the involved users). However, the group as only been around for about two days and doesn't seem to have done anything good or bad yet. I'm still going to remain as "keep", but if they do start problems I will be more than willing to change my view. Koweja 03:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per all of the above. - Merzbow 01:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)