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| The text above is the English version of the German document handed to Louis P. Lochner in Berlin. It first appeared in Lochner's What About Germany? (New York |
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| Therefore, I can see Dr. Bardakjian refers to the same source as did Prof. Heath Lowry, in his research that came out during the same year as the Armenian scholar (1985). Lowry's work is entitled, "The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians." | |||
| Louis Lochner (a former bureau chief of the Associated Press in Berlin)'s version was introduced in the Nuremberg trials, but the tribunal rejected Lochner’s version of Hitler’s Obersalzberg speech in favor of two more official versions found in confiscated German military records. | |||
| Noted WWII historian William Shirer wrote of the Obersalzberg meeting strictly on the basis of reliable sources including the Boehm notes, the Halder diary, and the captured memorandum. He rejected the "Lochner version" because "it may have been embellished a little by persons who were not present at the meeting at the Berghof." | |||
| In other words, by people who hoped to benefit by its propagandistic value. | |||
| Various sources behind this dubious quote, so widely used whenever there is an article on the purported genocide (representing the all important connection to the Holocaust... the coattails of which the Armenians must attach themselves to, since the sympathy value is immeasurably enhanced) are explored in this page: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/hitler-quote.htm | |||
| == "Alleged quote" == | |||
| The passage given is not an "alleged quote", it is an exact quote from the book. It is alleged that Hitler stated it, but the quotation listed is exact. As for the numbers, the typical number quoted is 1.5 million; the actual numbers can be debated in other articles. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 00:46, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : First, I want to object to continuous reverts by ]. I do not want to engage in edit war, therefore, I suggest us to discuss the issue in the talk page. Meanwhile, I will refrain from further reverts. | |||
| : The dispute emerged when I changed the wording in the text from "The exact wording given is:" to "The alleged quote is:". | |||
| : '''My major point''' is that if the historical authenticity of the quote is disputed, i.e. if there are considerable questions on whether there was any such quote at all, then the wording '''"exact quote"''' is not quite appropriate. In such case, it would be more expedient to use the wording '''"the alleged quote".''' | |||
| : '''As to the numbers''', I also have no desire to engage in fruitless dispute over the number of victims of what you claim to be an "Armenian genocide". I merely put the lower and upper numbers generally used for the number of innocent Armenian victims of the World War I. I am against using the tragic events that took place in the final years of the Ottoman Empire to promote political goals. I want to stress that Turks and Armenians have highly differing views on the number of Turks killed by Armenians and numbere of Armenians killed by Turks. By putting a highly disputed and inflated number at 1,5 million we present a one sided story. On the other hand, wording 0,6-1,5 million is quite '''objective''' and leaves the final decision to the reader himself/herself.--] 16:16, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
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I think this page would be considerably improved if names and sources were stated.
Who recalled the quote in his memoires?
When was the speech made?
Are there other references to the speech (though not neccessarily to the very mentioning of the atrocities against the Armenians)?
--Ruhrjung 09:35, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Bardakjian vs. "Hovhanes" vs. Lowry
Many Armenian academicians are only interested in evidence that affirms their identity-forging genocide, closing their eyes to the rest. One that appears to be a true scholar is Dr. Robert John (Hovhanes) who concluded... at least at one time... that the quote is a fake. (From an article In The REPORTER, “America’s Leading Armenian Newspaper,” August 2, 1984.) Bravo with attempting to seek the truth, instead of pursuing the typically Armenian "My People, Right or Wrong" policy.
This is why I'm not too excited with what Dr. Kevork B. Bardakjian has come up with. An Internet search demonstrated he may be one of these scholars that lack credibility. He too closely associates himself with his Armenian identity, and his emotions probably supersede his professional responsibilities. The fact that his work on the Hitler quote comes out of the propagandistic Zoryan Institute certainly does not add to the integrity of his research. (And the fact that he works/worked at one of the main hubs of Armenian propaganda in the United States, the University of Michigan... the headquarters of Dennis Papazian and "Turkish scholars" who find jobs at the university level only because they support the Armenian point of view, also troubles me.)
Of course, the best proof of how good his research is will come out of the reading of his work, which I have not done. A clue to what lies at the root of his findings may be found at the ANI website: http://www.armenian-genocide.org/hitler.html; describing the text of Hitler's speech:
The text above is the English version of the German document handed to Louis P. Lochner in Berlin. It first appeared in Lochner's What About Germany? (New York