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(X)known for the involment of killing George Floyd. (Y)Known for killing George floyd,

Using the word involment is hugely disreptfull and missleading, as he is the sole perpetrator of such horrid Murder crime. The other officers had an involment in the killing of George Floyd. Reliable sources are any video in relation to the case on the world wide web. Thank you for your tIme. 90.240.241.212 (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: He hasn't been convicted, so unless he is we won't word it like that. WikiVirusC 21:47, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how to edit wiki properly and for that I apologize, but it's undisputed that he killed George Floyd; what he's on trial for (and has not been convicted of) is murder, which expressly indicates intent - or knowledge that actions taken could result in death and disregard for that fact. Additionally, whether his killing of George Floyd is criminally punishable (i.e. was not justified in the regular course of policing actions) is a different question than whether he killed George Floyd (the answer to which is, again, not disputed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sullivti (talk • contribs) 21:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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I believe that this issue has been settled now that the verdict has come out. In these type of cases, there is always an appeal but believe that the requested changes can be made regardless. Jurisdicta (talk) 23:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

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In the initial paragraph it states “ known for his involvement in the killing of George Floyd”. This is misleading and implies intent in the tragic loss of life. The statement should instead say “ known for his involvement in the death of George Floyd” where “killing” is changed to “death” as it still conveys that George Floyd died but does not imply that the officer intended to take the life of the man. All instances of the word Murder(ed) and Kill(ed) used in a similar context should also be changed to similar contexts. At least until the trial has concluded and a verdict has been reached. This would help avoid false information and bias within the biography and prevent the wrongful tarnishing of this officer. 2601:C2:8201:2B30:2931:92A:9B36:1909 (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

"know for/famous for" wording in leads are obscure and the worst. I changed it to what actually happened, namely, he's been charged with murder.—Bagumba (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

more detail about his previous "use of force" incidents.

I have heard that he kneeled on a neck before, and pulled a gun on a young teenager. No mention of that here. Are those factually grounded? I don't know. 135.180.50.38 (talk) 00:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Articles should be discussed based on reliable sources. This isn't a forum for general speculation. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 02:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Known for: Involvement in the death of George Floyd rather than the "killing" of George Floyd since the trial is still currently underway. 2601:445:37F:ED50:195:38E9:2208:EDF1 (talk) 01:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Please see Q4 at top of page. WWGB (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

He's on trial in Minnesota State court, not Federal

Greetings, fellow Wikifolks! I've added a few words to the lead, to specify that the trial is in Minnesota State court, not Federal court. I did this because the reason I looked up this article was that I wanted to make sure that the trial isn't in a Federal court, where the outcome might be even more predictable than it is. (Federal prosecutors win more than 96% of their trials; I don't know the number for Minnesota state courts). It seems to me the reader shouldn't have to read more than one or two sentences in order to verify that this is the state, not the Federal government.

In fact, I think maybe the article could be improved with an update to say what the current status of the case in Federal court might be. Currently the article only says that Chauvin's lawyer has tried, unsuccessfully, to negotiate a plea-deal which would have covered any Federal charges as well as the state charges, and, the title/reference of one of the references says something about a Federal grand jury.

On the other hand, maybe I'm failing to respect the "NOTNEWS" principle. So maybe the information about the current status of the Federal case would not be appropriate. I feel strongly that the fact that the current trial is a state-court trial ought to be in the lead paragraph, or, at least, somewhere near the beginning of the article, because having to spend more than three seconds in order to confirm this fact annoyed me!

But of course, it's up to the rest of you to decide; feel free to revert my entry, or argue about it, or leave reproachful replies to me here, if you feel they are merited. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you HandsomeMrToad and made the request change to the lead to reflect where the trial occurred. I believe it is relevant and important. 22:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

death of Floyd, not killing of Floyd

death of Floyd, not killing of Floyd 98.219.182.102 (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

See above comments on this talk page. Ladysif (talk) 20:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

The official ME ruling was homicide and the official conviction is murder, therefor he was murdered. TAXIDICAE💰 23:02, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

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The jury verdict has come in and they have declared him guilty on all three charges. 72.182.105.144 (talk) 01:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Already done ― Tartan357  01:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Judge Peter Cahill dismissed the third-degree murder charge?

In the "Bail" section, it says the judge dropped the 3rd degree murder charges. Were they dropped and reinstated? Chauvin was just found guilty of 2nd and 3rd degree murder both. He was charged with 3rd degree murder. I don't know the history here, but could someone fix this please? Thanks! Dcs002 (talk) 02:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I believe the judge denied the request to reinstate the charge but the appeals court said that was improper and reinstated it themselves. https://m.startribune.com/ruling-trial-judge-improperly-refused-to-reinstate-third-degree-murder-charge-against-derek-chauvin/600030719/#:~:text=The%20Minnesota%20Court%20of%20Appeals,the%20killing%20of%20George%20Floyd. Ala Bahma (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I see now. I just found a citation from the State v. Chauvin article, and I pasted the relevant text and citation into this article. (I think the pasted text is brief, and it flows just fine.) The judge was ordered to reconsider his dropping the charges (or refusing to reinstate them?) upon appeal, and the state supreme court declined to review that appellate ruling. The charge was formally added back by Judge Cahill on March 11, 2021. Dcs002 (talk) 20:31, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

First sentence

​​I don't think it's necessary to say he's a convicted felon/murderer who murdered George Floyd. That seems redundant. I and others have removed the convicted felon/murderer bit but it keeps getting re-added. What should the first sentence be? ― Tartan357  03:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Option 1:

Derek Michael Chauvin (/ˈʃoʊvɪn/ SHOH-vin; born March 19, 1976) is an American convicted murderer and former police officer who murdered George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on May 25, 2020.

Option 2:

Derek Michael Chauvin (/ˈʃoʊvɪn/ SHOH-vin; born March 19, 1976) is an American former police officer who murdered George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on May 25, 2020.

Comment I like the version that it has now morphed into:

Option 3:

Derek Michael Chauvin (/ˈʃoʊvɪn/ SHOH-vin; born March 19, 1976) is an American former police officer who was convicted of the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota. next paragraph: On May 25, 2020

— Goszei (talk) 04:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• Option 3 Avoids redundancy while identifying him as a convicted murderer. The date of Floyd's death remains in the lead, but later. I imagine the exact date will become trivial to the lead over time, eventually being reduced to just the year.—Bagumba (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment While I understand the need to identify him as a murderer in the first sentence, it is implied with "convicted of the murder". I'm not sure that will satisfy the masses however. ~ Ablaze (talk) 05:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

  It's not just "implied", Option 3 directly states that he is convicted. The masses are invited to discuss this to reach a consensus, though some are inevitably just drive-by editors blindly tagging felons early in a sentence, repetition be damned.—Bagumba (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Comment: I don't think the current version changed to by Eleutherodactylus (which they did not explain) is accurate, as it says Chauvin "was charged" with the murder, which seems to imply he was not convicted. ― Tartan357  06:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

The problem with the current version of is an American convicted criminal and former police officer who was charged with the murder of George Floyd is that a reader not already familiar with the topic might not grasp that he was not only charged with murder, but actually convicted of murder. —Bagumba (talk) 07:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Comment Desertarun has reverted it back to option 3, which I will take as a !vote here too.—Bagumba (talk) 08:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Option 3 is the standard used across WP. I see no reason to deviate from the standard. Desertarun (talk) 08:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• Option 3 is clear/preferable as well for me. We should stick with the strictest/most narrow phrasing, so if someone was convicted, we don't need to mention they were indicted, charged etc.. The article itself can delve into how the initial charges even changed slightly, but that's not lede worthy Shushugah (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
• Option 2 or 3, with a slight preference for 3. I really don't like option 1, it reads rather awkwardly and the "and former police officer" clause seems jarring and misplaced, the sentence would read much better without it but then you loose some of the key context surrounding his conviction. I have a slight preference towards 3 as it seems slightly better worded to me, but option 2 would be OK too. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Plus option 1 is worded to say he's a murderer then elaborated that he murdered someone, which is just redundant repetition. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:03, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

So the consensus seems to be option three SRD625 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• Prefer 3, 2 is fine, 1 is not, simply because his career ended with murder, it was not defined by it (Madoff was a fraudster who frauded, Chauvin is a cop who murdered). There are good faith arguments for all, but 2 reads to me as closest to NPOV. Guy (help! - typo?) 18:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
• Option 2 is my preference as it's the most succinct. Do we really need to point out Chauvin was convicted if we're going to say he committed a murder? ― Tartan357  18:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

As a random passerby I read the article and I understood that he was a "murderer" before the Floyd event, that is that he had been ready convicted before. The wording is confusing. If I can vote, option 3 is the one I prefer --188.64.206.49 (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you can vote. Welcome! ― Tartan357  19:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Comment "Murder" or "murderer" should be in the first sentence because that is the only reason for his being notable. His murder of George Floyd sparked everything else that followed. Redundancy is a bad idea, but the details aren't that important to me. Dcs002 (talk) 20:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• Option 2 is best, although I could accept Option 3. Option 1 shouldn't even be here, as it is poor writing style because of wordiness and redundancy. Sundayclose (talk) 00:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

  Sundayclose, I agree about option 1 being unacceptable. For the record, I only included it because it was the status quo when I started this discussion, and was what drive-by editors kept changing it to. ― Tartan357  00:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Images

This article lacks any images aside from the one that describes his criminal complaint. Would other editors with access to a useable image please post? Would definitely benefit. InvadingInvader (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

InvadingInvader, I think everyone understands the usefulness of an image, but Misplaced Pages has a strict policy on image copyright, and no free images of Chauvin appear to exist. ― Tartan357  17:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

The mugshot`s out there..was taken down before something about prejudicing his reputation 2600:1702:2340:9470:9CAE:A2B9:9362:D8CC (talk) 02:15, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

The mugshot is not a free image, and per WP:IUPC, we can't use it. ― Tartan357  02:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Most U.S. mugshots are in the public domain but others aren't. It depends on the jurisdiction. So, it would be necessary to verify what the law is in Minnesota. Per WP:MUG, it is rarely appropriate to include a mugshot of a person who has not been convicted, because these images imply that the person is a criminal. Chauvin is now a convicted murderer, so I would support including his new post conviction prison mugshot if we can verify that it is in the public domain. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:42, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Tartan357, can you provide a link to a reliable source verifying that Minnesota mugshots are not in the public domain? Cullen Let's discuss it 02:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, I was going off of the lack of a State of Minnesota work PD tag at Commons:Category:PD-USGov license tags (non-federal). It sounds like you know more about mugshots than I do. ― Tartan357  02:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Not sure where the deleted mug shot was from, but mug shots/booking shots in Minnesota are public records. Subd. 26.Booking photographs....(b) Except as otherwise provided in this subdivision, a booking photograph is public data. WikiVirusC 02:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiVirusC, what's the appropriate Commons license tag? ― Tartan357  02:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't know if Minnesota has its own special tag, but a Public Domain tag and explanation can be done on a per image basis. It just has to be proven. WikiVirusC 02:59, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

According to this website, public data is synonymous with public domain, but I do not know if that is definitive. I am pinging Diannaa who is an expert in copyright issues. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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In the opening paragraph it states that this incident sparked off protests. The verdict and the murder are mentioned prior to that. Stating "The murder of George Floyd sparked off the protests" would be more clear 104.220.36.114 (talk) 03:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Given that the subject sole notoriety is because of his crime, wouldn't it make sense to merge the two articles?

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