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Me? Pah!

UAA comment

Maybe hopefully you'll feel like blocking me tomorrow... Vermont (talk) 14:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Vermont, dunno - are you trying to advertise Vermont as a filming location? Seriously, I'm sure there must be lots of people with usernames that are the names of places, but yours was the first that popped into my head. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Not only am I advertising Vermont as a filming and ski resort location, but I am actually a role account operated by a different moose every week. And on the serious side, I'm happy to be your first thought for a username that's a place lol. Vermont (talk) 16:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Vermont, On the Internet, nobody knows you're a moose. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for extending the block -- I don't deal with vandalism accounts very often, and that one seems to have been using redirects in a rather awful way -- so don't have my Blocking instincts calibrated very well for these kinds of non-standard cases. Sadads (talk) 12:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Sadads, no worries. If it had just been the redirects, I'd have probably issued a block from article space and talked to them about their editing, expecting to unblock when they had demonstrated an understanding that doing something like that without consensus is disruptive. It was the redirects of their talk page that put me over the line into 'not here', that isn't someone I want to attempt to have a reasonable discussion with. Girth Summit _(blether) 12:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Oneylover

Since you blocked SmilingFriend as a Suspected sock of Oneylover, can you change the block settings of Oneylover? LooneyTraceYT comment • treats 19:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi LooneyTraceYT, there's no need to change the block settings, the original reason still applies. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I'm not normally one for a barnstar, but I've seen you pop up here and there in the "adminsphere" - each time, its accompanied by sage advice to a fellow editor, or a level of kindness and understanding we so often seem to forget. Thank you for your contributions both to our content and our community ~TNT (she/they • talk) 16:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

TheresNoTime, praise from the praise-worthy means a lot - thankyou. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:20, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

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Velayudham gross dispute

Sir Kindly look after the Velayudham page the film seems to have made a gross of 90 crore worldwide as per reputed Hindu article gross figures but some users keep changing to low value of 60 crore citing madras muslings an unknown unreliable source. The user seems to be a fan of actor suriya and he is pulling velayudham gross down to make sure 7aam Arivu gross is more. The film that clashed with velayudham at the box office and he is using very disgusting bad words if anybody changes the gross to 90 crore worldwide even with adding reliable source. same goes for vettaikaaran it clashed with Ayan at the box office.

This is an old proper revision of this Velayudham page, as edited by Kailash29792 (talk | contribs) at 11:52, 5 August 2021

regards Leopardsrun (talk) 13:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Leopardsrun, the correct place to propose a change to the article is at the article's talk page, Talk:Velayudham. I have been acting purely as an administrator: we don't adjudicate content disputes, but we stop edit warring, and we prevent people from taking part in discussion if they are aggressive or insulting. What you need to do is propose the edit you want to make on the talk page, and see whether other editors agree. If they do, or if nobody has responded to you after a couple of days, then make the change. If anyone responds abusively, feel free to let me know and I will show them the door. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Bernette Ford

On 10 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bernette Ford, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bernette Ford was one of the first members of the Black Creators for Children, an organization that helped promote black authors and increase diversity in children's books? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bernette Ford. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bernette Ford), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Commons thing

As you showed interest on User talk:Ymblanter#Commons, if you have questions about that you can ask me. It all started over my block so one could say I was involved. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 04:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alexis Jazz, - I don't have any particular need to know anything about that case, it was just some background info about the kind of things that go on at Commons, in light of an encounter I had there recently. If you want to tell me about it, from your perspective, I'd be very interested to hear it, but I'm not investigating it in any way, or seeking to look under any rugs. Girth Summit _(blether) 06:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz On reflection, it's probably fair that you know a bit about the circumstances that led to that discussion. There's currently a thread at Commons' 'user problems' page (which I interpret as being roughly equivalent to ANI here), where you will find my username. I expressed my frustration with the situation here, and examples of previous 'clusterfucks' at Commons were mentioned - hence my interest in the case surrounding the various blocks/resignations that resulted from your block. It was not focussed on you you, or the block itself, in any way, and while I've read the discussions that were linked to, I do not know what led to your block, and that isn't something I feel I need to know. What I'm chiefly worried about is the standards of administration on Commons, which are (based only on my recent experience) far below what they need to be to ensure a safe working environment for contributors. Girth Summit _(blether) 22:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

It is the equivalent, c:COM:ANI even goes there. And is.. oh boy. When talking about non-admin users, there is a lot of love and collaboration in the Commons community. In the group of admins (including CU and crats, actually for some reason those groups seem disproportionally negatively affected) it is a mixed bag. Some admins are really awesome, the majority is mostly just fine and some.. some are incapable of change, if you catch my drift. I should write a post mortem about my case, have been meaning to for a very long time, but it's difficult. I wouldn't be surprised if many have given up on governance issues on Commons getting fixed. A quote that struck me was this, by Gone Postal: "It's actually harder to stand up to bullies when you are not around." It's touching, but also quite sad. There shouldn't be many bullies and there should be more people who stand up to them. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz, a post-mortem about your case, from your perspective, would be an interesting read. Just to reiterate, Ymblanter and I were discussing it as an example of shit-shows on Commons: we weren't discussing you or anything you did wrong (which I am still unaware of), just how the aftermath went down.

I'm still amazed and depressed in equal measure about that thread. It wasn't a big ask: that is doxxing, please remove it. Shit like that would have lasted moments at ANI. Sure, EnWiki is more highly populated, and ANI probably has many more watchers, so it would be entirely understandable for it to hang around longer over there. But to have three sysops look at it, and do nothing? Seriously, that freaks me out. Doxxing is as bad as it gets in terms of harassment, you don't need a formal policy to deal with that shit. I had assumed that Commons, like EnWiki, was a safe and collaborative space. Bad actors no-doubt exist there, as they do here, but I had assumed that sysops would deal with them when they were brought to their attention. I no longer have any faith at all that that is the case. It's genuinely the most shocking thing I've come across since I started editing here. Girth Summit _(blether) 23:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I dunno

About this. Maybe you can look and apply your expertise. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Whiteguru, anything beyond that interaction analyser? From a very quick look, I see two editors with some overlap in editing interests, who have edited a few of the same articles (but mostly with a significant time gap). The edit summary usage is similar (i.e. poor, neither of them use them very often), but that goes for a lot of editors. Nothing is jumping out at me as being suspicious (I mean, if you were to look at this or at this it looks far worse - sometimes people do work work on the same articles quite innocently), so unless there's something specific you can point at, I wouldn't be concerned. Girth Summit _(blether) 10:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You and GtM are clearly hounding one another. —valereee (talk) 18:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Valereee, GtM and I are actually both role accounts operated by the same cabal of LTAs with a fascination for early modern historical conflicts. We have secret meetings in the crypt of York Minster every second month when the moon is in the ascendency, and plot the downfall of Misplaced Pages and the overthrow of western civilisation. Then we have tea. Girth Summit _(blether) 22:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I suspected as much. Except the tea. I expected grog or something. —valereee (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Valereee, grog gives me indigestion, and some of the other cabal members are teetotalers. Nope, it's tea and seedcake, then we share pictures of grandchildren and pets, and then we get back to work on the old World Domination. If you fancy joining us, we can probably arrange a Zoom? Girth Summit _(blether) 22:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Would participating in a cabal harm someone's chances for upward mobility? Asking for a friend.

As an Ohio girl, my first exposure to even the concept of seedcakes was when I was probably ten: two beautiful round seed-cakes which he had baked that afternoon for his after-supper morsel. I pictured something that looked like a suet cake rolled in a variety of seeds. :D —valereee (talk) 22:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Valereee, if I'm honest, I don't really know what seed cake is. When I was small, we had an cassette tape of The Hobbit which I must have listened to a hundred times, I loved it. Bilbo Baggins gives the dwarves seed cake when they come to his hobbit hole near the beginning of the story - it's stuck in my mind ever since. Girth Summit _(blether) 22:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

PS - SusunW isn't in the cabal, she's an undercover operative trying to take us out as part of Jimbo's crack assault team. Gog the Mild's counter-revolutionary team is onto her though... Girth Summit _(blether) 22:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

OMG, I am rolling. Definitely I'm more likely to be on the revolutionary team, but the pacifist kind. Never would I ever be in league with anyone with actual authority. Power to the little people! (By the way, in my neck of the woods we call seed cake, pound cake, you know, a pound of butter, a pound of flour, a pound of sugar and 1/2 a dozen eggs. Seeds of your choice, or dried fruit are optional. And, you drink it with coffee, chicory optional.) SusunW (talk) 04:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I am so busy with the Satanic rituals these days that I struggle to find time for the overthrowing Misplaced Pages and seed-cake stuff. But it does give me good background to be the cabal's "tell no tales" enforcer. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah ha! So you are the person responsible for burying all the consequences I write about of the conflicts that you write about. I knew it! SusunW (talk) 14:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Vijay movies Box office

Hai, please you have to look into this. Some guy is trying to fool you by inflating the box office figures of Vijay movies using edited screenshots as sources. The pictures have been edited in order to make it appear as if they are from reliable sources such as Deccan Herald, The Hindu, Hindustan Times etc.

Take for instance this source given for box office of Kuruvi and Azhagiya Tamil Magan:

https://archive.ph/qopJd

The words are clearly edited in to suit their agenda. No reputed magazine or newspaper publishes news like that. Just check the link once and you will know for yourself. When I undo the edits, this guy reverts the edits right back and I lose my patience and end up abusing him. You cannot let him get away with this. He edits from different IPs but his username is Leopardsrun.

You can search for the actual web pages anywhere. But you won't find it. Not only that, he has done the same for many other films of Vijay such as Velayudham, Vettaikaaran, Villu etc. Please revert his fake sources. Don't let him fool everyone.

Girth Summit

Those articles all have talk pages, where editors can discuss the content and sourcing of the articles. If you find that you can't come to agreement, dispute resolution is available. If you can demonstrate that another user is fabricating sources, report it with evidence at WP:ANI. What nobody should ever do is edit war over content, or abuse other editors, for any reason. Edit warring and abuse will always result in accounts and IPs being blocked. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I have posted it on the administrators' notice board. Please make sure you look into it.

(103.165.167.150 (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC))

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For standing up for what is right on Commons and Meta. It would have been easy to let it slide. Thankyou, Jack Frost (talk) 08:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Girth Summit, I have to say that I don't normally go in for all this barnstar stuff, but I did want to recognise your advocacy and commitment to standing up for what is right. It's very much appreciated, even by this random on the internet. Thankyou, --Jack Frost (talk) 08:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Jack Frost, it was pretty mind-blowing... Girth Summit _(blether) 08:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Consider

Might have some work with the mop here ... Cheers. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Whiteguru, looks like somebody got there before me. Girth Summit _(blether) 08:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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E-mail regarding a topic ban

To the editor who just e-mailed me about their topic ban: you included what I assume is your real-life name, but you didn't include your account name or what topic you were banned from - I'm afraid just telling me that it happened three months ago isn't enough, my memory isn't what it used to be! I tend not to enter into e-mail correspondence about Misplaced Pages unless I know who I'm talking to, hence the response here. If you want to e-mail me again, with a note about which account is yours, I'll take a look and consider a response. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 14:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Help for Pringles

Can you fix something in the Flavors section of Pringles? I don't know how to size my new image just like the rest. Help would be greatly encouraged.

Kind regards, Doctorine Dark (talk) 12:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

• @Girth Summit, you gotta admire his chutzpah.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Doctorine Dark, image formatting really isn't my bag. I think it's because you now have an odd number of images, so the last one is being forced to be double width but I'm not expert. Try asking at the WP:HELPDESK - that's what I do when I have image or map problems. Girth Summit _(blether) 21:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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Can you remove some of the revisions I edited that contain copyrights? I noticed you removed the rest, but I added the notice without removing the copyright violations, and only removed them in my subsequent edits. Thanks! ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:26, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl, good point, will do. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Sock puppet investigation request

Hello. I recently alerted another admin about this but I was unaware he is currently away. I was notified by another user about an ongoing COI issue. One of the users involved in the COI was someone I suspected as a sock puppet back in January. The evidence now obtained supports the claim and I suspect all five users mentioned in the COI are the same person based on the edit history of this article currently up for Afd. Would you be able to investigate please? The discussion is happening here: Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Physicians_for_Patient_Protection.

At least three of the accounts edited the article within a 4 minute window: , , all of which are either brand new with no edits, or accounts with very few edits, all editing in the same style and way. I could go on with more evidence but a quick look at each accounts editing as well as the page in questions edit history is extremely fishy. Would you be able to join the discussion here?: Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Physicians_for_Patient_Protection and investigate the 5 accounts please. Thank you. Inexpiable (talk) 19:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, you say that you suspected socking back in January - was there an SPI case, can you give me a link? If you think they're socks, a new SPI might be the better approach rather than a COIN thread. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I never reported it at the time because there wasn't enough evidence. Now there is. Inexpiable (talk) 19:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, please could you compile the evidence and raise a case at SPI? I can then investigate as an uninvolved admin (rather than having to compile evidence myself about a case I'm unfamiliar with, and ask another admin to review). I don't know how familiar you are with raising SPI cases - if you use Twinkle, that makes the process much easier! Thanks Girth Summit _(blether) 19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I will try, but the article in question is currently up for Afd. Would you be able to take a quick look? In the mean time I'll try and submit evidence. Inexpiable (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, don't worry about AfD - admins reviewing SPI cases can review deleted articles and their histories. What I need is for you to explain why you think they're socks (or WP:MEAT) based on what you've seen - you're obviously familiar with the case, the more information you can give me the easier it will be for me to investigate. Thanks Girth Summit _(blether) 19:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok it's done. If you want to take a look? Do I need to provide more evidence? Inexpiable (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I am also continuing to find more evidence. Can I keep adding it to the investigation? I think this is pretty strong evidence for at least 2 of the accounts in question: Thanks for helping. Inexpiable (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, I've requested that a checkuser take a look - the editing is very similar. Yes, you can add more evidence as you find it. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for helping and sorry for all the page spam, I have never done one of these reports before in my nearly 10 years on Misplaced Pages. Inexpiable (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, please don't worry about it. The first time I submitted an SPI, I remember getting a message from a checkuser (and former arbitrator) telling me that it was so badly formatted that they needed me to go back in and sort it out before they could even act on it. That was before I had discovered Twinkle though - at least that helps out with the formatting, I always recommend it very strongly when submitting reports! Girth Summit _(blether) 20:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Refactor

A friendly note that I refactored your and Floquenbeam's exchange on AN. If (either of) you think I'm off base, please revert. I thought it simplified the discussion, but I recognize my change is testing the edges of WP:TPO so understand if you'd prefer the previous text. Best, — Wug·a·po·des​ 22:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Wugapodes, how bloody dare you?!?! Yes, if I'd read all of Floq's post, I'd have seen that he was inviting me to do just that. Thanks for tidying up. Girth Summit _(blether) 22:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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ANI close

Could you double-check the result you listed in this close? OP is Kleuske but instead it was the reported editor Zqzkqzq‎ that is blocked. DMacks (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

DMacks, you're quite right - don't know what I was thinking there. Fixed. Girth Summit _(blether) 16:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick-fix! DMacks (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello.

Can we move on? Thanks. AnuranEmpire (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

AnuranEmpire, I'll reply on your talk page, so it's all in one place. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for confusing you but can we move on. AnuranEmpire (talk) 20:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

AnuranEmpire, I have responded on your talk page. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Further developments

Hi. Any further advice you might have for me regarding the outcome of my sock puppet evidence? Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/ReasonAndScience I know the check user didn't show anything but I am still convinced it's the same person. Surely they could have just used a VPN of some sort? I also wanted to point out further developments have happened since the investigation. One of those accounts I suspected has now been banned for vandalizing: User talk:Bonafidemd79. Anything further that can be done now? Because I believe he is still using at least 2 more accounts to promote an agenda. Thanks. Inexpiable (talk) 21:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Inexpiable - I don't have time to look at it again right now, but I will try to do so soon (note that it's 22:30 here in the UK!). FWIW, I doubt that it's one person - when I last looked at it, I remember thinking that it seemed more likely to be a number of different people working towards the same goal, possibly coordinating their editing, and possibly with a COI. That would be a violation of WP:MEAT, but it's harder to be certain about. Girth Summit _(blether) 21:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Inexpiable, I'm not going to take any action against the unblocked accounts. I am not convinced that they are coordinating their editing exactly - perhaps just people are talking about the article in real life, and a few people decided to get involved here. I've seen that kind of thing happen before. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 15:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Review request.

To my opinion, these edits are vandalism, as in removing an article (redirect) based on a personal opinion. Can that be reverted? The Banner talk 19:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

The Banner, they can be reverted if you disagree with them, but they are not vandalism. The user has explained why they have replaced the article with a redirect in their edit summary, and it's a supportable position. You are welcome to revert, with an explanatory edit summary, and invite the user to try to gain consensus for their edit on the talk page. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

No, then I leave. I do not want upset anybody. The Banner talk 20:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

The Banner, I've reverted it - take a look at my edit summary. It's no problem reverting people, provided you take a few seconds to explain what you're doing. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:13, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I just dipped into 'recent changes' to find an example of actual vandalism (depressingly easy). This is the kind of edit you can revert as vandalism without an edit summary for. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

...aaaaaand, they did it again, so I blocked the IP's /64 range. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:19, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

You're talking to User:The Banner as if he is a total newbie. He has been editing since 2008. If he cannot comprehend the difference between vandalism and edits he simply doesn't like after 13 years on Misplaced Pages, he never will. 217.150.156.11 (talk) 11:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you're in a position to know what other people are capable of. And I don't think that the message you left on their talk page was kind, fair, or helpful in any way. Please don't leave any more like that. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:ROPE

I have drafted an alternative version of this essay at User:Cullen328/sandbox/One last chance and invite your input. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328, I like it - I think that's a definite improvement on what we've got now. I don't have any particular suggestions for improvement - I read through the prose, agreed with the sentiments, and didn't see anything that needed copyediting - it's good to go. If you start an RfC somewhere, please let me know and I will comment. Girth Summit _(blether) 23:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

"and it could happy"

This gave me a good chuckle. Hope you're doing well, feels like it's been a while since my CVUA! DanCherek (talk) 00:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

DanCherek, honestly, I don't remember typing that. I can only assume that I was typing one thing, got distracted, then started on a new sentence without finishing the last one. Or copy edited very badly. Or I'm going senile. Whatever it was, it jumped out at me when I looked at it again - like 'what on Earth...'.

Yes - seems like a while ago now. You've been doing some fantastic work since then, in a lot of different areas - good show! Girth Summit _(blether) 00:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Learned from the best! DanCherek (talk) 00:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

DanCherek, your saying that makes me and it could happy. Girth Summit _(blether) 00:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

rewording?

Regarding this edit: may I suggest that you consider rewording the following: The right approach to take when writing articles is never to make your best efforts not to use any of the text from any of the sources... In addition to the double negative being confusing, it also is confusing to read advice starting with "The right approach... is never to make your best efforts...". Perhaps flipping it around would be better: "The right approach for writing articles is to write it all in your own words, going beyond making a best effort not to use any text from any sources." It's just an idea; I wish your collaborative overture well. isaacl (talk) 00:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Isaacl, ha - in light of the section above this, I think I am going senile after all! Funnily enough, I think I noticed and changed that moments before your comment here - I'm getting into the habit of going back to re-read things afterwards to see if I've goofed. Girth Summit _(blether) 00:31, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I saw your copy edit just before you replied—that makes more sense. Good luck! isaacl (talk) 00:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Chinese Herbology

I will talk to the editor Roxy_Dog who has a clear bias against tradiitonal chinese medicine on their bio page. My edits were to add research that has been conducted in 2021. As such, I would like to revert the page back to my own edits. Please allow me to reach a consensus with this user while my edits remain on wikipedia. Thank you

In your optimism, Toltec Shaman

ToltecShaman you made a bold edit, which is fine. That was reverted by another editor, which is also fine. Now, you need to propose your changes on the article talk page and gain consensus before you reinstate them. Reinstating them against consensus is edit warring, which will result in you being blocked from editing. Please don't accuse other editors of of being biased - you don't know anything about them, or their motivations. Just propose your changes, and try to convince people that the edits are valid. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 00:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for delineating clear guidelines as to edit warring. It is my first experience and as such I was unaware that I needed to propose a reason why my edit was preferred to the original editor. My accusation on their bias was simply because they have admitted their own bias on their own profile page with the content "yes we are biased against alternative medicine and we will never change." Nevertheless, my aim is not to pass judgement on any user and will refrain from any overt dispute. My aim is simply to propose that there is clear evidence to support the use of chinese medicine in China against COVID-19 from an accredited scientific journal article published in 2021.

I remain with the following dilemna. I was not able to send a message to the user Roxy Dog to solve this dispute. Can you redirect me to their messaging link?

Best Regards

You do not need to contact Roxy directly. Start a thread on the article's talk page (Talk:Chinese herbology), explaining the edits you want to make and the sources you want to use. Other editors will comment, and hopefully a consensus will emerge. Until that happens, do not reinstate your changes. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 00:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I have begun a thread on the articles talk page and am waiting for consensus. How many editors need to agree? Can you explain a little more on how a consensus is typically reached?

You've provided the source, but you also need to explain what content you want to add based on that source. You also need to start signing your talk page posts, otherwise it becomes impossible to know who has said what. You do that by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~.

There isn't a set number of people who need to agree - that depends on how many people engage with the discussion. Sometimes consensus is obvious; other times, it's not so clear, then you might need to move onto an WP:RfC. Propose the wording you want to introduce based on that source, and give it a few days to see what people think. Girth Summit _(blether) 01:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Appendix (large intestine)

Hello, Girth_Summit,

First, thanks for moving this article back to the right title. Second, after a bad move like this, Misplaced Pages bots immediately move existing redirects to the new, bad title. However, when these bad moves are corrected, the editor/admin usually doesn't leave a redirect. This is a mistake because then all of the redirects that pointed to the original page are broken and, if not fixed by an editor, they are deleted by a bot and we can lose them (see here for what I mean).

However, if you leave a redirect after a bad page move, then the bots can change the redirects back to the original target page and everything is back to normal. This fact isn't widely known among editors active in correcting bad page moves but if, in the future, you could leave a redirect, then I, or someone else, doesn't need to manually correct all of these broken redirects which saves us a bit of time and effort. Thank you! Liz 07:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Liz, I confess I hadn't thought of that. Have you tidied up already, or is there anything I can do to help fix it? Girth Summit _(blether) 07:34, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, when I saw that section head go by I just had to come take a look. I think Liz means just turn the redlink into a redirect to the correct page title? Hm, or maybe not, as that would be a simple fix, not a cause of a lot of work. I don't know. —valereee (talk) 18:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Valereee, yeah - I'm not sure if there's anything that still needs fixing at the moment. Certainly I'll make sure I leave a redirect next time! Girth Summit _(blether) 18:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Four Award

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		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Cullen House. Eddie891 Work 18:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Ooh - thanks Eddie891, that was quick! :) Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 18:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

seven minutes by my count-- well deserved! I loved the DYK fact. Eddie891 _Work 19:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Eddie891, those 19th-Century aristocrats eh? They knew how to spend money sensibly. Girth Summit _(blether) 19:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Cullen House

I thought about an emoji, but decided that would go against the spirit of FA. So: yay! Girth Summit _(blether) 00:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Vijayshuklaavip

Hi Girth Summit, could you have a look at the above user page with your magic admin glasses - I'm sure it should be at least CSD U5 but for some reason I cant see edit twinkle or page curation to tag it, neither can I see "Edit" tab to manually tag it (used 2 different computers same on both) nothing wrong with twinkle or page curation as they work on other pages. Thanks JW 1961 07:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Joseywales1961, there was a bunch of what looked like HTML script on there, I imagine that was what was screwing up the normal menus. You should have been able to see the 'More' drop-down menu, which would have taken you to 'edit' and 'history' options. Anyway, there was an article copied in there underneath all the code, which isn't appropriate, so it's gone. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 11:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks as always. Have a great day JW 1961 11:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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Congratulations on the promotion to FA.Venicescapes (talk) 17:14, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Venicescapes, I really appreciated the thoroughness of the review you gave me - the article is much better for it. Girth Summit _(blether) 09:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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Grazmach Tameru Lemma

Hello,

today I came across this article on New Page Patrol. Kindly look to the history of the article and consider. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Whiteguru, interesting. It's at AfD now - I didn't get a single G hit for the name, aside from the article itself, which is pretty unusual even for non-notable people. Girth Summit _(blether) 06:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you today for Battle of Dunbar (1650), "about the first major battle in the Third English Civil War, between the New Model Army under Oliver Cromwell, and a Scottish army under the command of David Leslie. Gog the Mild and I rewrote it between May and July of this year, with assistance from Harrias who made the maps of the battle. We have attempted to set out the series of events that led up to the conflict, describe the opposing forces, give an account of the battle itself, and explain what happened in the aftermath of the battle and why it was significant. There is also a brief description of the current condition of the battlefield."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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Gingko biloba and MEDRS

Could you please have a look at the medical research section and talk page dispute regarding the claim in this article that gingko "has been shown to affect vascular permeability and neuronal metabolism"? Thanks. Zefr (talk) 22:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)