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Good article on the Magic Lantern, glad to see it here. I was wondering if one was up yet when i read about it yesterday.  :-) --Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks!

Epopt, I like your work, but what you call nonsense often isn't. This is nonsense: slakh30r8tfjlk;g3u9fogur. Irrelevant, biased comments aren't nonsense. They're irrelevant, biased comments (see what I did with Tupac Shakur, taking the biased comments and making them more Wikipedic). If you delete stuff, it helps if you characterize the deleted material more specifically than "nonsense". At least that's how I see it. --TheCunctator

And as I see it, "2Pac was the greatest of all time, and continues to be. Fuck the government and all them niggaz who shot him down. Damn, they can't stand a nigga toppin the charts. Thug in Peace my nigga 'Pac." is nonsense and should be deleted -- or, better yet, replaced by a meaningful stub, which you did very well. Thank you.

It's certainly not nonsense under the meaning that it's impossible to understand. The sentiment and content of each sentence seems quite clear. It's certainly an emotional, personal, and slang-ridden message, but hardly nonsense. In fact, I used the tirades to build the article. The only reason I'm beating this dead horse is if you write "Deleted biased, slang-ridden tirade" I have a much better idea of what happened than "Deleted nonsense". If "nonsense" is, for the sake of editing, reserved for "asflg40g0k;fjh40r", it makes collaborative editing easier.

Epopt, I'm a little uncertain about the term you're using in the Dravidian race entry. Using the term "race" for an ethnic group of humans is shaky in just about all cases, but particularly in this one. From the given description, I can't see the Dravidians meeting any reasonable definition of "race".

Might it be better to move that entry to "Dravidian people" or "Dravidian ethnic group"?

Otherwise, great work on trying to sort out an entry belonging to the more messy and bias-ridden entries in the last few days. --Joakim Ziegler

Using "Dravidian ethnic group" or "Dravidian people" as the actual entry, and making "Dravidian race" a redirect seems quite reasonable to me. Redirects can be used to correct misconceptions, I'm more concerned that our actual entries are definitions that make sense. --Joakim Ziegler

Thanks, The Epopt! Finally I know why Tussionex makes me stop coughing and feel soooooo good! --MichaelTinkler, bronchitic.

Hello, sorry to bother you but I accidentally deleted the Hawkeye photo you uploaded. I was on the phone and dropped something on the mouse, and hit "Esc" but the command was already sent. Koyaanis Qatsi, Tuesday, June 11, 2002

That's sounds like it would have been fun to watch. Was there a cat involved? --the Epopt

Eh, no. Just distraction because of the nature of the conversation and my general clumsiness. Thanks for reuploading.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

I'm so happy I could eat a small force-fattened bird whole!Ortolan88

I find it hard to believe that all these countries from which the link has been removed would have no transnational issues. At least PNG has had problems with Indonesia on its western border, and Sierra Leone has had difficulties with its neighbours in connection with its own civil wars. Eclecticology, Saturday, July 13, 2002

Nonetheless, the transnational pages for those countries stated that they had no transnational issues. I see no point in keeping pages that state that they have nothing to say. --the Epopt

Those pages came from the CIA World Factbook, which may or may not have had its facts straight, as it were. What did you do with them? Redirect them? Koyaanis Qatsi

The CIA may be considered by some as an oxymoron. The transnational links were no doubt put on nation pages as teasers to encourage other Wikipedians to fill nsomething in. One would hope that our contributors would not limit their sources for this information to the CIA!! I'm always willing to pass the ball when my knowledge or time for a subject has reached its limits. Eclecticology, Sunday, July 14, 2002

I combined the all the information on the Transnational Issues pages with their parent pages, and deleted the subpages. If you feel that blank subpages should be part of the Misplaced Pages, then by all means recreate them. They were all identical to Sao Tome and Principe/Transnational issues except for the name of the country.

Hi there- Vegan Reich definatelty existed- I have a CD by them- the lyrics are unintentionally hilarious...

Cheers quercus robur

Want to tell me what the big idea was with Canadian culture? --an irritated montréalais

Not really, but I suppose I must. The big idea was what is sometimes known as a joke. One may question whether or not a joke that goes unnoticed for over six months (February 25 to September 3) is a very good joke, and, similarly, one may question whether or not it is anything to get worked up over. You will note that its predecessor was not exactly brilliant prose.

Yea, my culture's been called an oxymoron. I'm rollin' in the aisles over here.

I live in Los Angeles, the place Raymond Chandler described as "a big, hard-boiled city with no more personality than a paper cup." Your turn!

The difference is that I don't think Mr. Chandler was editing an encyclopedia.

illiterate apostrophes? Hey, fuck you too. :)

Thanks for fixing it up though.

--Eco

If your apostrophes can read, they're smarter than my apostrophes. You're welcome. --the Epopt

Please check "Pages that link here" before deleting a page. Bennelong is linked to from John Howard, who is a representative from there. -phma

I apologize -- I will certainly check in the future. --The Epopt

Thanks for the corrections made on the F/A-22 Raptor. I'll be more careful in the future (for now the only excuse I have is lack of sleep and excitement :). Ppetru

Why did you move calibre to caliber? I thought Wiki has a policy of accepting an article in whichever version of english it is written. For hundreds of millions of english speakers, (British-English, Hiberno-English, etc) Calibre IS the correct spelling. Only American English uses Caliber. (Europeans often joke about 'American gun-culture' - I've often wondered, surely linking culture to guns is a contradiction in terms!!! - but does that extend to changing articles on guns to American-English spellings? I'm joking by the way. Please don't take offence like so many Americans do when the rest of the world expresses bewilderment at its gun laws! One American friend of mine couldn't comprehend the fact that Irish and British police don't carry guns, or that 95% of Irish and British people have never even seen a gun. He had his first in LA aged 11!!! JTD 18:59 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC)

I didn't move anything -- I simply created a redirect at calibre pointing to the already-existing article at caliber.

And I don't take offence at your not understanding our affection for guns. We citizens have always been willing to loan you subjects guns when you realize you need them, and I have plenty to spare. ;-> --the Epopt

Re the images in USS Pampanito (SS-383): Could you use compressed jpegs in the future? The pngs on that page were HUGE. I converted them to compressed jpegs reducing the size of the page by nearly half a MB. People on dial-up could not access that page before. --mav

Date Redirection Creation Script (not the Datebot)

BTW, check out the discussion Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) that I semi-inadvertantly instigated. It looks likely that it won't be necessary to transform all the dates from DANFS, and I've started just bracketing the day-month refs unchanged in the expectation that they'll point to something soon. Stan 00:55 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

OK, OK, we get the idea! You can mark all the rest of them as "minor" now, so that Recent Changes remains useful. :) Tannin (By the way, if you want a hand with doing some of them, sing out. I'd be happy to help.)

I appreciate the offer, but now that I've debugged myself, I seem to be averaging a very smooth rate of one per five seconds.  ;-> --the Epopt

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Hi! Erm, what are these supposed to be?

1. 07:21 Mar 2, 2003 This day, , this month (REDIRECT this_month this_day) (top)
2. 07:20 Mar 2, 2003 This day, , this month (REDIRECT this_month this_day) (top)
3. 07:20 Mar 2, 2003 This day, , this month (REDIRECT $this_month $this_day) (top)
4. 07:20 Mar 2, 2003 This day, , this month (REDIRECT $this_month $this_day) (top)

Apparently, a bug in your date-redirecting bot. Congratulations, you've also exposed a bug in the wiki. :) --Brion 07:46 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, could you please test your bots more thoroughly prior to running them? We have http://test.wikipedia.org/ available for this and other such purposes. (Make sure you send a 'Host:' header, we use virtual hosts.) --Brion 07:30 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Datebot

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DateBot: you don't seem to be a properly registered bot; I don't see you on Misplaced Pages:bots under currently running bots. Could you do that? Thanks! DanKeshet

That's only for bots that make thousands of changes. --mav 21:44 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

How many pages will this bot affect? DanKeshet

Why are you changing dates from the form September 16 to the form 16 September? There is an ongoing discussion about this at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers), which I assume you know about, and there is absolutely no consensus that this is the Right Thing to do. I'm am sorely tempted to revert all your changes. --Camembert

Ship Articles

Kudos for your work on the submarine articles. They are really shaping up! -- hajhouse

Second that! The Das Boot article is really good as well! :-) --Anders Törlind

Undocumented in Misplaced Pages: Unterseeboot 19 landed Sir Roger Casement in Ireland. Ortolan88

Unacceptable!  ;->

Say, where are you getting all the good navy ship info? (Presumably you're not working from memory :-) ). Stan Shebs 23:55 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

I have lots of books, but my Web sources include:

• for USSs: the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, which is online in many different forms (try http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/) and the Navy List (at http://www.nvr.navy.mil/).
• for HMSs: "Ships of the Old Navy" (at http://www.cronab.demon.co.uk/INTRO.HTM) -- the owner of that site has given the Misplaced Pages permission to use his material without restriction -- and the Royal Navy's site (at http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/). But be careful with that latter: a "Crown copyright" is not a restrictive as a human being's copyright, but it isn't public domain.
• for U-booten: everything you ever wanted to know can be found at uboat.net (at, oddly enough, http://www.uboat.net). That site is fully protected by copyright, so everything has to be rewritten.

Thanks! Fortunately the Royal Navy site has so little historical info that there's no temptation to copy :-), although it did give me the interesting little bit about "Pickle Night". Stan Shebs 02:23 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

I like how USS Texas and its sub-articles are shaping up! But I have a question - should the hull type and number have a hyphen joining them or not? I see no hyphens on official Navy pages, not even on pages referring to old ships, but they are ubiquitous in DANFS, which suggests a policy change in recent years. Do you know the story? Stan Shebs 04:08 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)

I was wondering how long it would take someone to ask that question. There seems to be no consistency anywhere -- chinfo.navy.mil sometimes uses a space, sometimes a hyphen, sometimes both on the same page! I've been using a hyphen (as you can tell) only because I think it looks best. --the Epopt

My God, I can't cope - there's no regulation? No "Norfolk Manual of Style"? :-) I bet there is a rule, just need to find it. It's going to matter a little, because the choice leaks into article titles thus affecting search results (though not Google's I suppose). Stan Shebs 05:27 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ships looks great! I added a bit of content recommendation. The general characteristics and other universal info could be table-ized and flowed alongside text, could spiff up the presentation a bit. Might be interesting to table-ize ships' comings and goings, but it would be more work. Stan 05:14 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

I see my Beryllium table has again been adapted to serve yet another WikiProject. :) Have you given any thought to using different colors for the heading cells based on ship type? That would be cool. --mav

Beryllium? I swiped it from Vostok 1! The different colors is an interesting idea -- I'll give it some thought and discussion on the Wikiproject page. Any suggestions? --the Epopt 06:53 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)

Like I said the table has been copied all over the place - most people didn't even bother changing the heading color (or even realized where the table first came from - such is the power of wiki!). :) I dunno about the colors -- that will take some thought. It took a while to figure out the best color scheme for the periodic table and for the different Kingdoms, but those are areas that I know a lot about. This is the type of detail that can be worked-out later though. --mav

BTW, I've been adding backlinks from hull-number articles to the generic name, otherwise navigation is a bit complicated for people who find themselves at a ship other than what they expected. Stan 18:50 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)

Good photo of the Hood: The airplane sure puts it in perspective. User:Black Widow

Do you recall the name of the page that lists all the ship prefixes? There must not be enough links to it - navy and ship ought to, but neither mention it. Stan 06:49 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I do ... and now they do. --the Epopt 07:30 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Nice disclaimer on the ships project! Tannin :)

All the US battleships! Woo hoo!! Time to lift a glass - then on to finish carriers, and cruisers, and all those neglected subs... :-) Stan 04:59 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

The Barbara Bodine article is an orphan. Can you figure out some articles to point to it? Kingturtle 07:03 May 14, 2003 (UTC) :)

Given that she's one of the triumvirate of Imperial Governors-General of the Conquered Territories, that shouldn't be hard.... --the Epopt 16:49 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, there seems not to be a List of diplomats... Stan 18:12 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

See Talk:Richard Antrim. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR!!!!! -- Zoe

Then don't accuse me of copyright violations.

On the subject of copyright, I notice that Stan Shebs refers to the RN website, saying that its info is often not good enough to copy. However, I have looked at the page for HMS Sceptre, the SSN, and I have found that your text was in large part a verbatim copy of the text on the RN website. True, you have inserted a great deal of extra material about the second HMS Sceptre, and the latest HMS Sceptre, but other than that, it seems pretty blatant copying. Since the RN website is under Crown Copyright, have you got permission to copy that? David Newton 17:19 BST Jun 20 2003

Yes, I do. If you look up the definition of a "Crown copyright," you will see that it can be copied freely as long as it is copied accurately and not dispargingly. --the Epopt 16:23 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I've checked on the HMSO website, and the waiver on Crown Copyright does indeed extend to websites, unless explicitly said so on the website. The RN website just claims Crown Copyright, it does not say that it cannot be reproduced, so I think that I was a little too zealous in my point. It's probably worth putting up what is covered by the waiver of Crown Copyright in the article on the same in the Misplaced Pages. David Newton 18:25 BST Jun 20 2003

Thank you for actually checking, and not just shrieking hysterically. ;->

Just to bring you fully up to date, I've gone through all of the RN warship articles, and those that use material from the RN website have had a Crown Copyright acknowledgement added to them. That should bring things fully into line with HMSO's policy on the waivers David Newton 20:00 BST 20 Jun 2003