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Same article?

What's the difference between Battle of Kherson and Kherson offensive? PurpleBuffalo (talk) 06:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

"Battle" is about the events happening in and around the city, for the control of the city. "Offensive" is about Russian operations in the greater province, for advancing through the province and reaching "battle" sites.BasilLeaf (talk) 07:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I personally don't agree with the distinction and think that we can merge such articles into one.BasilLeaf (talk) 07:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2022

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/01/world/ukraine-russia-war/russia-claims-to-control-kherson-a-strategic-city-but-ukraine-says-the-battle-for-it-isnt-over Ukraine contest that the city is captured. 176.158.39.228 (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

The source is now updated to reflect Kherson's loss. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Status of the Battle of Kherson

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If the battle of Kherson is still ongoing, change "24 February-now" for "24 February-Present" and add the Status of ongoing below the date

If the battle has concluded and the Russian MoD claim is confirmed by a reliable source, add the end date of the battle and the status of Russian victory

Kind Regards 201.234.181.227 (talk) 12:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

The New York Times is a reliable source and has stated that Kherson has fallen. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

{reply to|Knowledgekid87} The New York Times is correct that Kherson has "fallen," but in the context of modern warfare, especially the kind of warfare that we're seeing in Ukraine, that isn't enough to say that the "battle" is remotely over. The Ukrainians have already recaptured parts of the city and the "battle" in this modern war is not so much a fight over positional control as it is an effort to wipe out the enemy's army. For these reasons, it would be most accurate to say that the battle is ongoing. CessnaMan1989 (talk) 21:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Antonovsky bridge

Does anybody know why the bridge, only crossing point other than railroad bridge and Hydro dam, was not blown up for defense?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.186.97.106 (talk) 12:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

No, and it's not our business to infer. Curbon7 (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

several sources suggest treason as the cause for the quick fall of Kherson:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/29/2088926/-Ukraine-update-How-did-Kherson-fall-so-quickly-Betrayal-looks-like-a-good-bet

https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/808265.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/zelensky-sacks-traitor-generals-wbqkrr06r

this one is available through the waybackmachine, since it has been censored:

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/26/kherson 171.7.255.149 (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Kherson contested once again.

Pentagon has stated that Ukrainian forces rentered Kherson and have begun to push Russian troops out. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/25/world/ukraine-russia-war/russia-kherson?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes 108.88.8.211 (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Kherson is as contested as Mykolaiv is right now, if not more. Yet the Battle of Mykolaiv is listed as ongoing, while Kherson is considered a Russian victory. THis is clearly illogical, so I agree that Kherson should be considered an ongoing battle.Wolf359Locutus (talk) 17:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

This article is referring to action in Kherson at the beginning of the war, not currently. Curbon7 (talk) 20:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

This article is about the battle for Kherson city at the beginning of the invasion, which ended more than a month ago. EkoGraf (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Death of Russian Lt. Gen. Yakov Rezantsev

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-25-22/h_474504b422b84d41eef29e572c5e9420

Ukrainian army says Russian general has been killed in Kherson fighting From CNN's Yulia Kesaieva in Lviv The Ukrainian army says its forces have killed Russian Lt. Gen. Yakov Rezantsev during fighting in Chornobaiivka, in the Kherson region in Ukraine’s south.

The army said Rezantsez was commander of the 49th Combined Arms Army of the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation.

Russia’s defense ministry has not commented on the Ukrainian claim.

So far, some six Russian generals are believed to have been killed since the start of Russia’s assault on Ukraine, as well as a deputy commander of the Black Sea fleet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjmclellan82 (talk • contribs) 12:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Andrey Mordvichev was also reported by Ukraine to be killed in an airstrike at Kherson a week earlier. Jebiguess (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2022

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Change the map back from the colorblind one 72.229.242.36 (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Consensus already established. Wretchskull (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Where has it been established? There hasn't been any sort of agreement as far as I see. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. WP:ACCESS seems to favor color blind accessibility. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, now the maps are the same color, so it doesn't make sense to keep the colorblind one anymore, as the original will end up being more up-to-date now. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

I propose that section Russian-controlled Kherson be split into a separate page called Russian occupation of Kherson. The content of the current page seems off-topic since this article is more or less about the battle that took place and ended on 2 March. Also, Russia appointed Igor Kastyukevich as a de facto mayor of the city, meaning this goes beyond a basic military occupation of the city. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

3 days and no opposition, so I will be WP:BOLD splitting. Elijahandskip (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: it is a particularly short article and the occupation is appropriate to be dealt with in the aftermath section. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:06, 22 April 2022
• Oppose, info about this is short. It can perfectly be integrated into this article. Super Ψ Dro 13:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Capitalisation of "battle" in "battle of Kherson"

The initial letter of the title is only capitalised in running text if it would normally be capitalised. Per MOS:CAPS: Misplaced Pages avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence. Misplaced Pages relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Misplaced Pages. Per MOS:CAPS, the burden is to show that capitalisation is necessary in accordance with the criteria of MOS:CAPS. Looking at news sources here, it certainly doesn't meet the high threshold set by MOS:CAPS. The article title is even questionable given so few sources but that is another issue. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 April 2022

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• Battle of Kherson → Battle for Kherson

• Battle of Ivankiv → Battle for Ivankiv

• Battle of Vasylkiv → Battle for Vasylkiv

• Battle of Irpin → Battle for Irpin

• Battle of Bucha → Battle for Bucha

• Battle of Brovary → Battle for Brovary

• Battle of Slavutych → Battle for Slavutych

• Battle of Avdiivka (2022) → Battle for Avdiivka (2022)

• Battle of Avdiivka (2017) → Battle for Avdiivka (2017) no ngram results either

• Battle of Volnovakha → Battle of Volnovakha

• Battle of Sievierodonetsk (2022) → Battle for Sievierodonetsk (Battle of Sievierodonetsk is presently a rediredt to Battles of Sievierodonetsk (2014). Disambiguation can be dealt with by hatnote)

• Battles of Sievierodonetsk (2014) → Battles for Sievierodonetsk (2014)

• Battle of Kharkiv (2022) → Battle for Kharkiv (2022) (keep date to avoid confusion with other battles - see Battle of Kharkiv)

• Battle of Konotop (2022) → Battle for Konotop (Battle of Konotop (1659) exists but there is no target for "Battle for". Disambiguation can be dealt with by hat note)

• Battle of Sumy → Battle for Sumy

• Battle of Trostianets → Battle for Trostianets

• Battle of Okhtyrka → Battle for Okhtyrka

• Battle of Lebedyn → Battle for Lebedyn

• Battle of Izium (2022) → Battle for Izium (Battle of Izium is a disambiguation page the a link to Second Battle of Kharkov. No target to "Battle for". Disambiguation can be dealt with by hat note without need for year in title or disambiguation page.)

• Battle of Melitopol → Battle for Melitopol

• Battle of Mykolaiv → Battle for Mykolaiv

• Battle of Enerhodar → Battle for Enerhodar

• Battle of Voznesensk → Battle for Voznesensk

In the majority of cases, the naming is not supported at all by sources as evidenced by links. In no case, do sources indicate that the names would satisfy WP:COMMONNAME. The format "battle of X" tends to imply a degree of formal recognition of the status of a battle, that in these cases simply doesn't exist. This is misleading and can lead to WP:CITOGENESIS. One source is already indicating this: in what’s been dubbed online as the “Battle of Brovary,”. The format "battle for X" does not have the same implication but is equally succinct, natural and recognisable and should be preferred. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cinderella157: Battle of Sievierodonetsk that you nominated, is a redirect to Battles of Sievierodonetsk (2014). Redirects aren't subject to RMs. —CX Zoom 09:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

CX Zoom, thank you. It should have been for Battle of Sievierodonetsk (2022) and Battles of Sievierodonetsk (2014). I have corrected this here and added notices. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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