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Connection between 9/11 and war on terror

How do we define “part of” in the phrase “part of the War on Terror”? Is 9/11 considered to be part of the War on Terror? Someone edited saying that because 9/11 led to the war and caused the war, and didn’t happen as a wartime battle or attack, that it’s not part of the war. But I can also see it as being part of the war because it was the precipitating event. I can see it either way, I’m neutral about it. Just wanna throw this out there and see what we’ve got. Opinions? Thoughts? Perspectives? Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mrbeastmodeallday: I would strongly regard 9/11 as not being a part of the War on Terror. The 9/11 attacks were the inciting event that provoked the War on Terror to begin as a response, and were therefore not a part of the War themselves, especially since there was no military conflict during the attacks, meaning they cannot be viewed as a "battle". The infobox used to not include the War on Terror until May 2021, when it was added with no explanation. I would strongly support removing this from the infobox. -- Politicsfan4 (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The September 11 attacks were the seminal event that provoked the US into launching the War on Terror. I wouldn't classify it as part of the War on Terror however the actions taken by the US government following the attack such as the Afghan War, establishing the Department of Homeland Security, and the PATRIOT Act would absolutely constitute being part of the War on Terror. FictiousLibrarian (talk). 19:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I would also say that 9/11 is definitely not to be regarded as part of the war, but the major (or at least a major-) cause. A supporting example to this is, that the Defenestration of Prague and the assasination of Archduke Franz-Ferdinand are not generally seen as part of the Thirty Year's War or WWI, respectively. CarolingianCitizen (talk) 22:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion of Fatalities related to the Attacks

Under the Section "Investigations>>FBI", the very last paragraph is a bit misleading when it cites source . The wikipedia article says "The FBI did not record the 2,977 deaths from the attacks in their annual violent crime index for 2001." The report *did* fully tally those deaths, but in separate tables from the rest of the data, in an entirely separate section of the report (section V, pages 301-307 of that section). This Misplaced Pages article correctly quoted the report when it said "the FBI stated that 'the number of deaths is so great that combining it with the traditional crime statistics will have an outlier effect that falsely skews all types of measurements in the program's analyses.' ", but they didn't just delete the data from the report, but rather quarantined it from the rest of the data so that it didn't unfairly skew the results. It should also be noted that the way the report bundled the causes of death together: the report classified *all* of the deaths related to the attacks (minus the 19 hijackers, of course) as murder, *including* those who died by jumping: "UCR Program has classified those deaths for the purpose of presenting these data as murder and nonnegligent manslaughter" (page 303 of the report). I found the text for section 5 (pages 301-314) of the CIUS 2001 report--that wikipedia cited as --at the following URL: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/01sec5.pdf Also, for reference, source as cited in this wikipedia article: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/toc01.pdfINSANITYISAVIRTUE (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, im seeing that that report tallied 3,047 total deaths, which is different, not sure why the discrepancy is there. INSANITYISAVIRTUE (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I became a confirmed wikipedia editor recently, I went ahead and edited this. INSANITYISAVIRTUE (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

WTC 21-632.TIFF wrongly labelled as Public Domain

This picture was seemingly taken by Lyle Owerko, but the picture itself is tagged as "This image is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government]] supposedly by an employee of the NIST and "released" because of a FOIA (which has nothing to do with being public domain or not). Is there any evidence that the picture actually is in the Public Domain? Macktheknifeau (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I can't verify whether that image has been CC licensed by Lyle Owerko. I do know the NIST drop has a readme note saying that all of the images are copyrightable by the owner. In fact, a NIST report has copyright marks on the images used including Owerkos. Inomyabcs (talk) 15:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

There's actually loads of pictures by him on the commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/search/?title=Special:MediaSearch&search=%22Lyle+Owerko%22&type=image - This might be bigger than one photo. Macktheknifeau (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

So, Lyle Owerko gave NIST permission to release his photo with the caveat that he still retains ownership of the copyright. Am I correct? Hmm1994 (talk) 18:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

That would be my interpretation of the NIST license file that was with the report investigation. Inomyabcs (talk) 11:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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Missing word: "Similar pre-impact evacuations were carried out by companies such as Fiduciary Trust" 149.86.189.14 (talk) 15:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

fixed. Slatersteven (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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Erasure of Jacobin Reporting

I added content from Jacobin https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=September_11_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=1156612334. But the content has been erased. Jacobin is on the list of approved sources Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and I should be able to use it. Chances last a finite time (talk) 19:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

And the same argument applies here, as in every other place you have tried to use it for statements of fact, it is OK for attributed claims, not for statements of fact. Slatersteven (talk) 19:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

That is not what "generally reliable" means on the list of approved sources. It says that " The source has a reputation for fact-checking, accuracy, and error-correction, often in the form of a strong editorial team." and "Arguments that entirely exclude such a source must be strong and convincing".

Why do you argue that we should exclude such a reliable source? I am unconvinced. Chances last a finite time (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chances last a finite time - Please read the FAQs at the top of this talk page. It states "Although reliable sources have repeatedly reported on conspiracy theories, reporting on conspiracy theories is not the same thing as advocating conspiracy theories or accepting them as fact." DDMS123 (talk) 20:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

That isn't what Jacobin says. This is a source on Misplaced Pages's list of approved sources that calls the report "A recently unearthed bombshell court filing". Even though the bombshell filing has been "studiously ignored by the media and political establishment" the reporter says that "The agency then worked in concert with the Bush administration to cover all this up, with each using the screwup to launch several foolish wars, funnel more power and resources to themselves, and go on a spree of yet more lawbreaking." It is important to tell readers that "instead of the Saudi government, it was the United States’ own intelligence agency that played the leading role in shielding the 9/11 hijackers from detection and unwittingly facilitating their crime, all because of the agency’s extreme secrecy, and because it was acting outside the bounds of the law — far from the first or last such instance in the CIA’s history." when a source that Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 351#Rfc: Jacobin (magazine) "meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering" says so. Chances last a finite time (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that later in the article, the author states, "Though far from definitive, these allegations line up with theories about the lead-up to September 11 that have long floated around...". That statement still levies that Misplaced Pages should still refrain from giving undue weight to a theory that is far from proven. Inomyabcs (talk) 20:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

👌 Chances last a finite time (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not, see wp:undue and wp:fringe. Slatersteven (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You are not what? Not arguing that we should exclude coverage from this reliable source? Chances last a finite time (talk) 20:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

No, try reading what I have written, here and elsewhere more than once. Slatersteven (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

We are not "entirely exclud" Jacobin as a source. The point is that this citation to Jacobin does not fit RS with regard to this article.

The Jacobin source credulously repeats a conspiracy theory. The fact that other sources have not deemed this conspiracy theory worthy of note should speak volumes. — The Hand That Feeds You: 20:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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