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	Sources indicate Prishtina was mostly inhabited by Muslim Albanians in the 17th century as the people became Islamised in the town as shown by 16th century registers too, and I QUOTE FROM THE SOURCE:		Sources indicate Prishtina was mostly inhabited by Muslim Albanians in the 17th century as the people became Islamised in the town as shown by 16th century registers too, and I QUOTE FROM THE SOURCE:

	''The first large town reached by Piccolomini was Prishtina, which had a mostly Muslim population of 3,000 households (roughly 15,000 people); many of these had apparently fled, but one early account states that ‘in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks''', and many leaders of the surrounding places...swore fealty to the Emperor?* Who were these ‘Arnauts’? Although this word is normally treated simply as a synonym for ‘Albanians, there are (as we shall see) some doubts as to how such apparently ‘ethnic labels were used by West European writers at this time. '''However, the fact that this writer clearly contrasts these ‘Arnauts’ in Prishtina with the people of the ‘surrounding places’ suggests that they were inhabitants of the town—in which case they were mostly Muslims, probably Albanian''' but very possibly including some Slavs.''		'''''The first large town reached by Piccolomini was Prishtina, which had a mostly Muslim population of 3,000 households (roughly 15,000 people); many of these had apparently fled, but one early account states that ‘in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks'''''', and many leaders of the surrounding places...swore fealty to the Emperor?* Who were these ‘Arnauts’? Although this word is normally treated simply as a synonym for ‘Albanians, there are (as we shall see) some doubts as to how such apparently ‘ethnic labels were used by West European writers at this time. ''''''However, the fact that this writer clearly contrasts these ‘Arnauts’ in Prishtina with the people of the ‘surrounding places’ suggests that they were inhabitants of the town—in which case they were mostly Muslims, probably Albanian'''''' but very possibly including some Slavs.''

	https://archive.org/details/rebels-believers-survivors-studies-in-the-history-of-the-albanians-malcolm-noel-2020/page/133/mode/1up p. 132-133		https://archive.org/details/rebels-believers-survivors-studies-in-the-history-of-the-albanians-malcolm-noel-2020/page/133/mode/1up p. 132-133

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Ktrimi991's revert

@Ktrimi991 Concerning your revert with "Eric Hamp is a linguistic source of the highest quality, way more recognized and cited than all other sources of the section combined": The reason why the Slavic theory goes first is because it is supported way more. Judging by the sources, the Proto-Slavic/Serbian etymology is supported by five sources. How many sources back the Proto-Albanian theory by Hamp? None. Your personal opinion of Hamp, and your alleged "over-qualification" of his work compared to others, is backed by no RS. --Azor (talk). 19:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hamp's view is supported by Curtis and Mehmeti. And yes, Hamp is way more recognozed than the rest of sources. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ktrimi991 Mehmeti don't explicitly agree with Hamp, it is called recitation. Read the source. --Azor (talk). 19:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I read Mehmeti way before you did. He says:Hamp’s sharp eyes dissected even phonetic evolution of certain Albanian place-names which went hand-to-hand with the complex historical processes that underwent carriers of Albanian. Being himself an ardent neogrammarian, Hamp inferred peculiar phenomena as an outcome of the specific development of place-names: of major importance is his new etymology regarding Prishtinë, attested ever since, which he acknowledged as a derivative of *pṛ-tu-, harking back to the Indo-European root *per- ,,passage, through”, cognate with Lat. portus and Eng. ford, while for the second element he surmised *stein-, a cognate with English ‘stone’, thus most likely a motivated name for a place between rivers. Moreover, vocalization ṛ > ri, which is notably Albanian, warrants that proto-Albanian has been spoken in Dardania before Trajan commenced to spread Latinization through Dacia. Je praises Hamp's etymology of Pristina. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Where do you see praising? It's recitations/interpretations. Mehmeti is explaining Hamp's work. That's why Mehmeti's source was used to refer to Hamp's work, as you can see in the article. --Azor (talk). 21:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead

Pristina seems to have been a small village before the late 15th century. ... The first mosque in Pristina was built in the late 14th century while under Serbian rule.

The second claim seems highly improbable in light of the first. Srnec (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Good point. The second sentence is sourced to a travel guide, so it does not meet the WP:RS criteria. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Expansion of the lead

Why wasn't my edit an improvement, Iaof2017? Let me remind you that the lead is supposed to be an overall summary of the article. --Azor (talk). 16:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Prishtina in the 17th century

Sources indicate Prishtina was mostly inhabited by Muslim Albanians in the 17th century as the people became Islamised in the town as shown by 16th century registers too, and I QUOTE FROM THE SOURCE:

The first large town reached by Piccolomini was Prishtina, which had a mostly Muslim population of 3,000 households (roughly 15,000 people); many of these had apparently fled, but one early account states that ‘in Prishtina 5,000 Arnauts, having thrown off the Turks', and many leaders of the surrounding places...swore fealty to the Emperor?* Who were these ‘Arnauts’? Although this word is normally treated simply as a synonym for ‘Albanians, there are (as we shall see) some doubts as to how such apparently ‘ethnic labels were used by West European writers at this time. 'However, the fact that this writer clearly contrasts these ‘Arnauts’ in Prishtina with the people of the ‘surrounding places’ suggests that they were inhabitants of the town—in which case they were mostly Muslims, probably Albanian' but very possibly including some Slavs.

https://archive.org/details/rebels-believers-survivors-studies-in-the-history-of-the-albanians-malcolm-noel-2020/page/133/mode/1up p. 132-133

- Arnaut was a word for Albanian. I don't think it refers to Orthodox Slavs . Part of Eastern Kosovo were possibly majority Slavic which is also indicated by when the Austrians entered that area but the towns were mostly Albanian. Nowhere do they use the word Arnaut for the majority Slavic areas. The Western and some of the central part of Kosovo was Albanian as indicated by sources.

This document from the 17th century says the same thing:

The General rested there for several days to issue orders on matters pertaining to that region, that had submitted to him voluntarily. The reputation of this commander grew more and more because of his orderliness such that 5,000 Arnauts in Pristina who had risen against the Turks and many of the major towns in the vicinity had given to understand that they would submit to the rule of the Emperor. Thus, when he arrived in Pristina, they swore allegiance to the Emperor and at that moment, this large tract of territory came under the shadow of the laurels of His Imperial Majesty.

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1689_Kosovo-Turkish-War/ TheCreatorOne (talk) 21:28, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

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