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Lets talk about it your all Informations are incorrect No-Fap originally originated from Celibacy more than 5000 years before when people were believing in flat Earth theory. Giving more information about that I was myself a porn addict but after leaving it I experienced change in my life you can ask my Psychologist. Even today's Neuroscience agree to it! Another thing is that before industrialisation even your forefathers including mine when there were no smart phones and TV's. They didn't know too much about faping. They were mentally and physically strong if you still don't believe you can ask Dr. Trish Leigh about this!

https://www.facebook.com/drtrishleigh 106.207.36.194 (talk) 05:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Trish Leigh is:

• not a scientist;
• not a medical researcher;
• not a psychology researcher;
• not a sexology researcher.

And porn addiction is a bogus diagnosis, source: DSM-5-TR. tgeorgescu (talk) 07:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Anyway, my evidence for my claims is this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=leigh+pornography . And neurofeedback is WP:FRINGE. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the "theory" of "porn addiction" is clearly a crude case of religious hysteria masquerading as science for political purposes. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Quoted by tgeorgescu (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu I don't think my talk page contributions are recognised as RS by Misplaced Pages quite yet. Though obviously they should -- maybe we should start a RFC to enshrine me in the list of reliable sources. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Do you know what it's called when a simple phrase like Master of Your Domain propels a formerly niche sitcom into the number one show on television? It's called porn addiction being globally recognized as real. That doesn't mean it's physiological but words have many meanings at the same time. Connor Behan (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:DEM: the large popular masses do not make the call. WP:MEDRS make the call. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Nope. English is a descriptive language. If you want "addiction" to always mean something medical, you would've had to be around hundreds of years ago to stop millions of people from using it to describe things that are not always medical. Connor Behan (talk) 21:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages sides with WP:BESTSOURCES. There is no way around that.

But, technically, that's right: "addiction" is a concept of pop psych, not of mainstream psychiatry. I just don't see how that bolsters the case for NoFap being science-based. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:03, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Neuer Slate artikel über neue wissenschaft und selbstmord

Ist Slate eine zuverlässige quelle? WP:RS? https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/07/nofap-masturbation-reddit-forum-suicide.html. Angurispome (talk) 06:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Nofappers surely don't get this, but I'm not sure Prause does, either: there are draconian rules for making medical claims within Misplaced Pages, see WP:MEDRS. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Biased article

This article portrait nofap in negative light.this article uphold the feminist,pro porn and radical secularist view.be cautious this article and writer is not neutral on this topic 103.137.160.108 (talk) 09:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

A simpler point is that the article has WP:MAINSTREAM WP:Academic bias, meaning WP:GOODBIAS.

And "feminist" is close to meaningless, if you don't specify what kind of feminism it is (e.g. Marxist, liberal, conservative).

It's a simple point to understand that mainstream science and NoFap are at odds. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

New content analysis

"Masturbation abstinence practices have returned to the USA in the form of semen retention communities. Followers on one of these male, anti-masturbation forums, “NoFap,” on Reddit (denoted “r/NoFap”), have engaged in homicidal behaviors that appear to be linked to these sexual beliefs and practices. This study uses a systematic search on r/NoFap and two control forums (r/pornfree, and r/stopdrinking) to define a corpus of violent content. The study's goals were to describe the nature of threats on r/NoFap and suggest whether the violence might be attributable to sexual deprivation or false beliefs that non-sexual targets caused their violent urges. Of the 421 violent posts identified from September 2011 to September 2022, r/NoFap contained the majority (94.3%). Violent threats on r/NoFap mostly targeted pornographers, women, scientists, specific persons, or any person (i.e. homicidal “rage”). Violent threats against r/NoFap’s own followers were growing most quickly. Violent posts were well-supported with upvotes by other followers in r/NoFap. These data are important because NoFap may represent a growing threat for real-world violence." Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795. IntroEggplant (talk) 23:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, agree. But I'm not performing the edit because there are WP:RULES. You are free to perform the edit yourself, or maybe another editor will do it. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Specific suggested edits for other editors:

"NoFap was founded in June 2011 by Pittsburgh web developer Alexander Rhodes after reading a thread on Reddit about a 2003 study"

is not accurate.

"NoFap was started in 2004 on the BodyBuilding.com forum where men believed it would increase their testosterone

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers" add:

A study of NoFap followers identified that the more involved these men were on the forums (e.g., posting more), the greater their depression, anxiety and erectile dysfunction symptoms. Importantly, this is the opposite of other online support forums. NoFap participants report, and appear, to be harmed by participating in the forums.

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers" add:

A 2023 study identified two mass murderers in the USA and UK as following NoFap, which precipitated a study of the violent posts in NoFap. In contrast to other forums on Reddit of comparable post numbers and content, NoFap posts were remarkably violent. The most frequent targets were other NoFap followers, whom they threatened to kill if they were to masturbate again. Other targets included pornographers, women, scientists, and specific persons. The authors attribute this to the forum founders, who they noted run Pick-Up-Artist forums and posted pictures of themselves with a lit "Molotov" cocktail on the same platform, which they suggested glorified violence and misogyny by the leadership.

In "Membership" add:

Clinicians have published advice for other clinicians who may be tasked with assisting men exiting NoFap, which they view as a violent misogynist group.

In "Research concerning NoFap forums and followers"

The linguistic database Violent Extremism Risk Assessment identifies the term "NoFap" as a violent term "Driven by moral imperative, moral superiority"

In "Demographics" add:

Followers refer to themselves as the "NoFap Army" and hold regular "wars" online to determine who can abstain from masturbation the longest. Deliganist (talk) 17:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

References

1. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.
2. Prause, N., Binnie, J. (22 February 2023). "Iatrogenic effects of Reboot/NoFap on public health: A preregistered survey study". Sexualities: 136346072311570. doi:10.1177/13634607231157070.
3. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.
4. Frounfelker, R. L., Johnson‐Lafleur, J., Grenier, C., Duriesmith, D., Rousseau, C. (9 March 2023). ""Between the self and the other": clinical presentation of male supremacy in violent extremists". Behavioral Sciences of Terrorism and Political Aggression: 1–21. doi:10.1080/19434472.2023.2185277.
5. Chan, E. (13 October 2022). "Technology-Facilitated Gender-Based Violence, Hate Speech, and Terrorism: A risk assessment on the rise of the Incel Rebellion in Canada". Violence Against Women. 29 (9): 1687–1718. doi:10.1177/10778012221125495.
6. Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.

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DELETE NoFap was founded in June 2011 by Pittsburgh web developer Alexander Rhodes after reading a thread on Reddit about a 2003 study, (which was retracted in 2021 due to overlap with another published article in Chinese), which claimed that men who refrain from masturbation for seven days experience a 145.7% spike in testosterone levels on the seventh day. This hit the front page of a popular forum on Reddit. The website states that some NoFap participants aim to "improve their interpersonal relationships", do a "challenge of willpower – to seize control of your sexuality and turn it into superpowers", but always with the goal of being able to "abstain from PMO (porn/masturbation/orgasm).""

REPLACE WITH: NoFap started on the forum Bodybuilding.com in 2004 by body builders who believed abstaining from masturbation would increase their muscular gains.After it became wildly popular on that forum as a montly NoFap challenge, two moderators started a subreddit r/NoFap as Absolutely NO fapping. No self pleasure AT ALL" as a way to "get laid" by women. Alexander Rhodes later trademarked the phrase and began selling for-profit programs on NoFap.com, which he described as "an online community helping those who want to refrain from masturbation" These programs are now widely sold online, especially to young men, claiming to treat medical disorders. HeavyWheeler (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

1. ^ Prause, N., Ley, D. (15 November 2023). "Violence on Reddit Support Forums Unique to r/NoFap". Deviant Behavior: 1–17. doi:10.1080/01639625.2023.2280795.
2. Prause, N. (18 October 2023). "Online ejaculation training programs promote non-evidence-based treatment of male sexual dysfunction". International Journal of Impotence Research. doi:10.1038/s41443-023-00780-8.

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