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Move of all Luas stop articles

There is a move discussion at Talk:Luas#Luas_or_tram? that may be of interest to members of WikiProject Ireland. Guliolopez (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans#Merger discussion

There is a merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans#Merger discussion that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Articles on March 2024 referendums and amendment bills

Each bill put to a referendum has its own article. We also have pages for dates on which there is more than one referendum. See, for example, 2015 Irish constitutional referendums, with the Thirty-fourth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland (marriage equality) and the Thirty-fifth Amendment of the Constitution Bill 2015 (age of eligibility for president).

Should we be following that approach with the March 2024 Irish constitutional referendums (month included in the title because of the scheduled, if not finalised, referendum on the patent court in June)? In that way, keeping detail on the wording and campaigns on the separate pages of Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (The Family) Bill 2023 and Fortieth Amendment of the Constitution (Care) Bill 2023. On the other hand, given how much the campaigns will have in common, it might make sense to give more of the details on the campaign and support for or opposition to the two proposals on the referendums article, rather than the separate amendment articles. Previous cases where there were two or more on related topics, such as 1968 Irish constitutional referendums or November 1992 Irish constitutional referendums give guidance, although needn't determine the approach.

Bogger, Ccferrie, Spideog and Spleodrach, who have made substantive contributions to the referendums article, might have a view one way or the other. Just seems like the kind of thing to consider at the start of the formal campaign. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Consistency, taking its cue from an established pattern, can be valuable or, as Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".

My initial instinct is to cover the referendums in one article, with suitable redirects pointing to it, because they both deal with related questions: What is a family, and what is a woman's role at home and at work?

For that matter, the three articles Twelfth Amendment, Thirteenth Amendment, and Fourteenth Amendment should also be merged (with suitable redirects) since those three referendums, held on the same day, were about the same topic of abortion.

I will revisit the question after I have time to pore over the articles and the question raised more carefully. Spideog (talk) 20:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be happy to have the single article March 2024 Irish constitutional referendums, splitting in the future only if the campaigns diverge in terms of coverage, notability, campaign groups etc. -Bogger (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

And I'd also support a single article unless strong reasons for more emerge. And further, I'd support merging those on the 12-14th Amendments; I never did see the logic of separate articles for those, three wholly interlinked questions. SeoR (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Also agreed, a single article makes sense. Bastun 00:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Great to see a consensus, and though I had started moving in the other direction with my edits, it makes a lot of sense. Even if there is any divergence in the result or if there are some organisations calling for a split vote, it will be useful to show this together on one page. Similarly, the same with the 1992 votes, that there was a No/Yes/Yes from many groups, as well as No/No/No from others, is a useful comparison, in a way that a divergence between marriage equality and the presidential age is only trivial. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 06:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with the single article approach for the campaign. To date all the parties and civil society groups that have declared a position on the referendums are supporting both and there could be a lot of repetition if we have two separate articles. Having said that, when it gets to documenting the results, two separate articles might be more appropriate. Ccferrie (talk) 09:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

when it gets to documenting the results, two separate articles might be more appropriate

There is no need for separate articles for reporting results given the well-established pattern of numerous past constitutional amendment articles reporting multiple results in one article, viz: in 1968, 1972, 1979, 1992,

1998, 2001 (four results in one article), 2011, 2013, and 2015. Spideog (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

1968 and 1992 mergers

Following this discussion, I've proposed that we merge the two previous occasions we've had multiple ballots on closely related topics.

• Talk:1968 Irish constitutional referendums
• Talk:November 1992 Irish constitutional referendums

Working on combined articles for these (if agreed) should inform how we handle the results section of a combined article for the upcoming votes. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC) Spideog, Bogger, Scolaire, SeoR, Bastun, Ccferrie or Spleodrach, any thoughts on the two proposals above (corrected after I’d accidentally mixed them up!) Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've thought about it further, and for these two cases, firmly support mergers. SeoR (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, the discussion has continued on Talk:November 1992 Irish constitutional referendums, and I think it is converging towards no consensus. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:General Certificate of Secondary Education#Requested move 30 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:General Certificate of Secondary Education#Requested move 30 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Demography of Belfast#Requested move 1 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Demography of Belfast#Requested move 1 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

List of mountains and hills of County Dublin

I found this when working on WP:FEB24 the February drive to eliminate/reduce the backlog of unreferenced articles. I've added a single source, PeakVisor, not 100% sure of its reliability, which has a list of 41 summits. The Misplaced Pages list is a set of names, some linked, many not linked, with no further information or sources. I contemplated taking it to AfD, but sourced it and moved on, changing the template from {{unreferenced}} to {{refimprove}}.

the Hill Bagging website (aka Database of British and Irish Hills), which I think is a WP:RS, includes Irish mountains like Kippure, but its search function doesn't seem to be working today. Some of the smaller lumps and bumps may not be included in it anyway. (Like the 36m Feltrim Hill, the smallest listed in PeakVisor.)

Someone with access to good sources (a book, perhaps?) on Irish hills and mountains might like to work this up into a more useful list, and to check that the list in {{Mountains and hills of County Dublin}} matches the list in the article.

Over to you. PamD 12:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I note that the article's creator, Spideog, is still an active project contributor. And could perhaps review/assist. Otherwise, to my mind and if referencing of the standalone article is an issue, the title could potentially be retargeted to Lists of mountains in Ireland#Leinster. Guliolopez (talk) 13:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I've mentioned this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject British and Irish hills#List of mountains and hills of County Dublin needs attention PamD 13:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I have made a good beginning by researching and citing a reliable source to cover the deficiencies. It should be easy to find more; it's just a question of finding time, which I will do. Spideog (talk) 05:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Town v Village

Note that the editing behaviours previously raised are ongoing again. While raised at User talk:80.233.59.195 and User talk:80.233.54.102, as multiple IPs (within the same range) are involved, other editors might wish to verify whether any related changes are consistent with the applicable sources. Guliolopez (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. Is this the person, I wonder, who edited Caherciveen one way, and later, in pique, the opposite way… Will cast an eye anyway. There may be issues with this classification worth further debate, but not now, and random IP edits definitely don’t help. SeoR (talk) 23:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Department of Agriculture & Technical Instruction, Dublin, 1909

Please see Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities#Department of Agriculture & Technical Instruction, Dublin, 1909 and see if you can identify any of the personalities depicted, or assist with transcription of the comments. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)