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:What we need to include it is reliable sources calling it "de facto independent" or something similar. I think the conflict in Myanmar has gone on for a long time already so there must be scholarly sources about it. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC) :What we need to include it is reliable sources calling it "de facto independent" or something similar. I think the conflict in Myanmar has gone on for a long time already so there must be scholarly sources about it. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::https://burma.irrawaddy.com/article/2021/01/25/237048.html This link is an indepth explanation of how the Wa State has discussed attaining recognized statehood, and exist outside of the Burmese government.
::These lines are the most interesting, but the rest of it is also a good read:
::"ဝ ဒေသဟာ ပြည်ထောင်စုရဲ့နယ်မြေ အစိတ်အပိုင်းဖြစ်ပေမယ့် အစိုးရအာဏာ သက်ရောက်ခြင်း မရှိတာကြောင့် နိုင်ငံ တကာက လာရောက်တဲ့ ခရီးသွားတွေ စီးပွားရေး လုပ်ငန်းရှင်တွေက ဝ ခေါင်းဆောင်တွေနဲ့ တိုက်ရိုက် ဆက်ဆံနိုင်ခြင်း မရှိသလို ဝ ဒေသဟာလည်း တားမြစ် ဧရိယာအဖြစ် အစိုးရက သတ်မှတ်ထားတာပါ။
::မည်သို့ဆိုစေ ဝ ဒေသကတော့ အစိုးရ၊ တပ်မတော်တို့ရဲ့စွက်ဖက်မှု မရှိ၊ ဝ ခေါင်းဆောင်တွေပဲ တိုက်ရိုက်အုပ်ချုပ်၊ ဝတပ် ကပဲ ဒေသကို အပြည့်အဝ လုံခြုံရေးယူပြီး ကိုယ်ပိုင်ပြဋ္ဌာန်းခွင့်ကို အပြည့်အဝ ရရှိနေတဲ့ အခြေအနေပါ။"
::"Although the Wa region is part of the Union territory, it is not affected by the government's authority, so international tourists and businessmen cannot interact directly with the Wa leaders, and the Wa region is designated by the government as a prohibited area.
::In any case, the Wa region government, No military intervention, Only the leaders directly govern, It is a situation where the Wa Army has fully secured the region and has full self-determination."
::https://www.lifeweek.com.cn/article/82074 This link goes over the entire history of the Wa State.
::Here are some notable lines:
::"其官方地位是缅甸联邦中的一部，实际上该地区由一个独立的地方武装控制。"
::"Its official status is part of the Union of Burma, but in practice the region is controlled by an independent local armed group."
::"佤族知识分子，无论在佤邦、中国、缅甸还是泰国，都广泛传播佤族 “真实的 ”文化和形象，为佤邦的相对主权做辩护。"
::"Wa intellectuals, whether in Wa State, China, Myanmar or Thailand, have widely disseminated the “real” culture and image of the Wa people and defended the relative sovereignty of the Wa State."
::https://m.jiemian.com/article/496039.html Another link explaining its sovereignty and independence
::"佤族人同时拒绝过缅甸与中国两方政府，他们自愿成为野蛮人──这个区域内唯一真正独立又自治的少数民族。不论住在云南还是佤邦的佤族人，他们只对一个世界上没有国家会正式承认的政府效忠。"
::"The Wa have rejected both the Burmese and Chinese governments, and have willingly become barbarians—the only truly independent and self-governing ethnic minority in the region. Whether living in Yunnan or Wa State, the Wa owe allegiance only to a government that no country in the world will formally recognize." ] (]) 01:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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The country changed the spelling of it's name to be turkiye instead of turkey to differentiate itself from the bird. This is not in the article. 126.149.239.83 (talk) 01:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

SUPPORT Stop using Turkey please. We should have renamed the country a long time ago. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:ECC7:8630:F902:DCDB (talk) 06:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
OPPOSE The article is written in English, not Turkish, and the country is known as "Turkey" in the English-speaking world. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Add Pakistan to the list

Armenia and Pakistan don't have mutual diplomatic recognition, but only Armenia is listed in the article. Add Pakistan to the list. 212.73.95.146 (talk) 11:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Taiwan doesn't recognize Somaliland as a sovereign state

Representative offices (unlike an embassy) means unofficial relations, not recognition as a sovereign state. There no official recognition of its independence. Sources provided also confirm this. -- Svito3 (talk) 16:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, as discussed previously at /Archive 14#Somaliland and Taiwan, /Archive 14#Somaliland, /Archive 15#Move Somaliland to "States recognised only by other non-UN member states"?, and /Archive 15#Map out of date? Somaliland and Taiwan?. I have reverted the article change claiming otherwise. CMD (talk) 03:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
The Bloomberg article says "So far, only Taiwan recognizes Somaliland as a nation, despite the African region having declared its independence in 1991." JSwift49 11:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
"It is an official relationship in numerous respects, but not diplomatic. Put another way, the bilateral partnership is deemed official due to the signatures of two foreign ministers. On the other hand, it differs from Taiwan’s relationships with its more formal diplomatic allies."
"Somaliland’s relationship with Taiwan is based on the reality on the ground: respecting Taiwan’s sovereignty and value as a partner, while acknowledging China’s global influence. Taiwan reciprocates this sentiment by recognizing Somalia’s independence and acknowledging Somaliland as a nation based on actual circumstances." JSwift49 12:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Taiwan formally recognized Somaliland but reverse is de facto. Sharouser (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Like any country recognizes California as a state but not a sovereign state. -- Svito3 (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
No, that is a fundamental misunderstanding of diplomacy. To be fair though Sharouser is also wrong, neither extends full diplomatic recognition to each other (which is despite its name suggesting otherwise the only kind of recognition this page is concerned with) but neither treats the other as part of another power (they aren't consulates subordiante to a head national mission, they're embassy level bodies who report directly back to the home country) Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
@Svito3 Have you read and ?! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hazarastan is also an unofficial country. 2001:56A:F020:5300:6DFE:76D5:D3C1:F1 (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. CMD (talk) 00:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

In the image, Artsakh is coloured red, which is a mistake as it is not a UN member state.

It should be coloured blue. Timo2727 (talk) 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It's Armenia not Artsakh on the map. Artsakh no longer exists on the map. -- Svito3 (talk) 21:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

For what reason is the Wa State not added?

This is just a question. I know it says "Subnational entities and regions that function as de facto independent states, with the central government exercising little or no control over their territory, but that do not explicitly claim to be independent" are not included, but the other examples (Rojava, Puntland, and Kurdistan) aren't even de facto independent, just de facto autonomous, as they must follow civil law of their sovereign nation, unlike the Wa State. Gaza is de facto independent, but arguably doesn't fit the criteria of "efficient government" as Hamas is a militant group.

The Wa State was at one point was a group primarily reliant on their military but has since established a fully de facto independent government. This can also extend to Chinland, although Chinland's diplomatic relations are severely lacking. That can't be said for the Wa State though, as they have strong diplomatic ties to China. China and the Wa State conduct relations completely outside of Burmese sovereignty.

While it is true that the Wa State has never declared independence, neither have Cook Islands or Niue. The declarative theory of statehood never lists such a thing. Actually1a2a3a (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

What we need to include it is reliable sources calling it "de facto independent" or something similar. I think the conflict in Myanmar has gone on for a long time already so there must be scholarly sources about it. Alaexis¿question? 19:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
https://burma.irrawaddy.com/article/2021/01/25/237048.html This link is an indepth explanation of how the Wa State has discussed attaining recognized statehood, and exist outside of the Burmese government.
These lines are the most interesting, but the rest of it is also a good read:
"ဝ ဒေသဟာ ပြည်ထောင်စုရဲ့နယ်မြေ အစိတ်အပိုင်းဖြစ်ပေမယ့် အစိုးရအာဏာ သက်ရောက်ခြင်း မရှိတာကြောင့် နိုင်ငံ တကာက လာရောက်တဲ့ ခရီးသွားတွေ စီးပွားရေး လုပ်ငန်းရှင်တွေက ဝ ခေါင်းဆောင်တွေနဲ့ တိုက်ရိုက် ဆက်ဆံနိုင်ခြင်း မရှိသလို ဝ ဒေသဟာလည်း တားမြစ် ဧရိယာအဖြစ် အစိုးရက သတ်မှတ်ထားတာပါ။
မည်သို့ဆိုစေ ဝ ဒေသကတော့ အစိုးရ၊ တပ်မတော်တို့ရဲ့စွက်ဖက်မှု မရှိ၊ ဝ ခေါင်းဆောင်တွေပဲ တိုက်ရိုက်အုပ်ချုပ်၊ ဝတပ် ကပဲ ဒေသကို အပြည့်အဝ လုံခြုံရေးယူပြီး ကိုယ်ပိုင်ပြဋ္ဌာန်းခွင့်ကို အပြည့်အဝ ရရှိနေတဲ့ အခြေအနေပါ။"
"Although the Wa region is part of the Union territory, it is not affected by the government's authority, so international tourists and businessmen cannot interact directly with the Wa leaders, and the Wa region is designated by the government as a prohibited area.
In any case, the Wa region government, No military intervention, Only the leaders directly govern, It is a situation where the Wa Army has fully secured the region and has full self-determination."
https://www.lifeweek.com.cn/article/82074 This link goes over the entire history of the Wa State.
Here are some notable lines:
"其官方地位是缅甸联邦中的一部，实际上该地区由一个独立的地方武装控制。"
"Its official status is part of the Union of Burma, but in practice the region is controlled by an independent local armed group."
"佤族知识分子，无论在佤邦、中国、缅甸还是泰国，都广泛传播佤族 “真实的 ”文化和形象，为佤邦的相对主权做辩护。"
"Wa intellectuals, whether in Wa State, China, Myanmar or Thailand, have widely disseminated the “real” culture and image of the Wa people and defended the relative sovereignty of the Wa State."
https://m.jiemian.com/article/496039.html Another link explaining its sovereignty and independence
"佤族人同时拒绝过缅甸与中国两方政府，他们自愿成为野蛮人──这个区域内唯一真正独立又自治的少数民族。不论住在云南还是佤邦的佤族人，他们只对一个世界上没有国家会正式承认的政府效忠。"
"The Wa have rejected both the Burmese and Chinese governments, and have willingly become barbarians—the only truly independent and self-governing ethnic minority in the region. Whether living in Yunnan or Wa State, the Wa owe allegiance only to a government that no country in the world will formally recognize." Actually1a2a3a (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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