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Request for page protection on this page following repeated POV anon vandalism. reverted currently, I flagged a dispute (within article), put dispute into the discussion , locked the page incorrectly myself and now seek protection . I refer you to the linked page for the ] which deals with the substance and references to the same issue .


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Pope Pius XII

Request for page protection on this page following repeated POV anon vandalism. reverted currently, I flagged a dispute (within article), put dispute into the discussion , locked the page incorrectly myself and now seek protection . I refer you to the linked page for the Centre Party Germany which deals with the substance and references to the same issue .

Benedict XVI

Has been locked without reference to this site, probably for the same reasons people temporarily locked John Paul II. This page needs to be kept open to keep up to date (our reputation is built on that), and to utiklise the energy out there that wants to edit. --SqueakBox 22:41, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC) In my request to my talk page request it is now unlocked. But there were admins locking the page to users while editing themselves in clear violation of Misplaced Pages policy on page protection. Some admin might care to take a look, --SqueakBox 22:57, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Unlocking. Snowspinner 23:04, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Narendra Modi

This page is repeatedly getting hit with reversions to a very biased version of the article. The reverts are always done by anonymous user(s). There seems to be no way to talk to this person(s) in the discussion page. --Rroser167 17:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)



University of Santo Tomas

This page is suffering from a daily edit war between a registered and anonymous user that has taken place over many weeks. Encouraging editors of this article to use the talk page to sort out this dispute may be helpful. No Guru 18:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old polls in Misplaced Pages namespace

Okay, I have a rather strange request... many pages in the Misplaced Pages namespace are obsolete, outdated or simply a straw poll that has closed a long time ago. It happens somewhat frequently that (particularly new) users see such a page, assume it's currently relevant, and for instance add their comments or votes - under the false understanding that they're making a useful contribution that will be noticed.

So would it be a suggestion to protect these pages? Any Misplaced Pages namespace page that is inactive and kept for reference or historical reasons (e.g. those tagged with Template:Historical) should arguably remain in its present state, and re-opening the discussion (if needed) should be done on a new page. Just like most bulletin boards have policies against 'thread necromancy' or 'bumping' a year-old thread to the forum top by responding to it.

Radiant_* 11:25, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about articles that are entirely complete in themselves? I recommend locking We Didn't Start the Fire because the only edits it is getting right now are vandalism. If someone wants to tweak paragraphs or add comments, it is easier to lock the page from vandals and update the article based on talk page discussion, then to leave the article unlocked and open to some proper edits but mainly vandal edits. What we should have is a locking policy and template that describes the article as entirely complete and further edits should not be necessary, but discussed on the talk page first.--Will2k 14:35, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, do none of these pages have edit histories? Do timestamps in signatures not work? Just note the date that the poll or discussion closed and move everything said after that date to a more relevant place. I've seen requests like this before, and I still don't understand the desire to have certain pages remain just the way they are, now and forever. Obviously that's necessary for pages which have serious legal weight—things like Misplaced Pages:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License and the various disclaimer pages. Why is it necessary for old polls and discussions? This isn't a bulletin board, it's a wiki. Pages aren't supposed to be locked without some pressing need. Misplaced Pages:Protection policy#Uses
To Will2k: I suggest reading some of the articles listed in Misplaced Pages:Featured articles#Music before declaring that article "complete". —Charles P.  15:52, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Excellent point, but that particular song and article has a special nature to it that makes it a target of vandalism.--Will2k 18:33, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall

We've got an endless revert war going on surrounding Camilla Parker-Bowles and whether she is "the Princess Charles." It's added, it's removed, it's added, it's removed, it's added, it's removed, and the nimrods over there even removed my attempt as a third-party at mediating a hold. I'm going to try to mediate the hold again, but am not optimistic. I think that the page needs at least temporary protection to encourage the disputing parties to come to a resolution. — WCityMike 16:00, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Um, so where do we find out if the request will be granted, and how quickly is it acted upon? — WCityMike 22:43, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
I'm protecting the page. -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. — WCityMike 12:11, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Reform Party of Minnesota

This was a name of what is now the Independence Party of Minnesota, but also of a splinter group that formed when the 2000 election was happening. It deserves its own article. User:Smith03 continually reverts edits to merge the pages, even after i requested he stop. PLEASE PROTECT EdwinHJ | Talk 20:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Edit-this-page-large.png

This page is a common target of vandalism (2 reverts needed already today) and I cannot see the advantage to keeping it unprotected. It would make life far easier if it were protected, and would not make things miserable for anyone (the page shouldn't be modified anyway). Smoddy (tek) 20:05, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Marked with Vprotected. -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Taipei_American_School

This page is being continuously reverted, changed and otherwise abused by 3 (and perhaps now 4) IP addresses. There have been 3 non-anonymous users (including myself) that have tried to revert, discuss and explain what is required. We have POV'd the article, and it doesn't seem to be making any difference. Details in the discussion page and on the Vandalism in Progress page. Wikibofh 21:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ward Churchill & Ward LeRoy Churchill

Both pages are under various attacks from various sockpuppetts, recomond that a ban of several hours if not days be implemented untill sockpuppetry is down and a dialog can be furthred between responcible editors in resolving the POV dispute. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 03:15, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Kerry

This page was reverted by an admin to remove a direct quote with a summary and then protected - this seems unreasonable to me. Can someone unprotect the page. Symes

Context: An anonymous user reverted the article to his preferred version 13 times, against the vocal opposition of several other users, and declared an intent to dodge 3RR blocks. I, previously uninvolved, exercised my option to protect the version preferred by those more closely complying with the 3RR, as allowed by the protection policy. —Charles P.  04:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I to understand that a group of people can force a specific POV just because the organize and obey a rule? We should look at the edit - a full quote from someone versus a summary of it - both of similar length (paragraph changes from 2 to 3 lines on my screen with the full quote) - it seem so self evident that the facts are more clearly presented in a direct quote than a summary. How does this system work for disputations like this?? Symes 04:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There is obviously a dispute here. You can help resolve this by spending the time talking to other people on the talk page. If there are 11 reverts in short order then it seems clear that there is some sort of dispute that should be resolved. BrokenSegue 22:01, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Symes (talk · contribs) is clearly the anon user who made the repeated edits in multiple 3RR violations. He is, frankly, not being honest about the nature of his edits, which ncluded as an introduction to the text: "Kerry admitted to having committed war crimes by saying:" Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're insistence that I am the anon user at John Kerry is False and demeaning - I have asked User:Jamesday to verify this to you - I've been told that he can somehow - However, I respectfully request that you retract and apologize this accusation.

Granted I have been coached through IM by someone whom more experienced on wikipedia than I am for some of my problems last night - but I can not believe how quickly I was attacked. Is this what wikipedia does to someone who is fairly new - just attack when the point of view is different - I spent hours reading about all your "high ideals" which I now see are just wasted because there has been no wikilove. (cc'ed to your user page) Symes 02:47, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  1. It seemed clear (and I'll wait to see some evidence to the contrary before I retract that) that you were the anon. He made a string of edits to an article from which this account has been absent; as soon as the page is protected, you appeared on the protection page to defend him. There's the evidence; what is the counter-evidence?
  2. You forfeited any assumption of good faith when you misdescribed what had been going on (another indication that you are the anon, incidentally). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I still can't believe that you have yet again accused me of being the anon - PROVE IT - I am editing from a static IP through Brighthouse. In the mean time I am going to take Hawstom's advice -Symes 01:08-----------------------------4827543632391

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Narendra Modi

This page is repeatedly getting hit with reversions to a very biased version of the article. The reverts are always done by anonymous user(s). There seems to be no way to talk to this person(s) in the discussion page. --Rroser167 17:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)



University of Santo Tomas

This page is suffering from a daily edit war between a registered and anonymous user that has taken place over many weeks. Encouraging editors of this article to use the talk page to sort out this dispute may be helpful. No Guru 18:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old polls in Misplaced Pages namespace

Okay, I have a rather strange request... many pages in the Misplaced Pages namespace are obsolete, outdated or simply a straw poll that has closed a long time ago. It happens somewhat frequently that (particularly new) users see such a page, assume it's currently relevant, and for instance add their comments or votes - under the false understanding that they're making a useful contribution that will be noticed.

So would it be a suggestion to protect these pages? Any Misplaced Pages namespace page that is inactive and kept for reference or historical reasons (e.g. those tagged with Template:Historical) should arguably remain in its present state, and re-opening the discussion (if needed) should be done on a new page. Just like most bulletin boards have policies against 'thread necromancy' or 'bumping' a year-old thread to the forum top by responding to it.

Radiant_* 11:25, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about articles that are entirely complete in themselves? I recommend locking We Didn't Start the Fire because the only edits it is getting right now are vandalism. If someone wants to tweak paragraphs or add comments, it is easier to lock the page from vandals and update the article based on talk page discussion, then to leave the article unlocked and open to some proper edits but mainly vandal edits. What we should have is a locking policy and template that describes the article as entirely complete and further edits should not be necessary, but discussed on the talk page first.--Will2k 14:35, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, do none of these pages have edit histories? Do timestamps in signatures not work? Just note the date that the poll or discussion closed and move everything said after that date to a more relevant place. I've seen requests like this before, and I still don't understand the desire to have certain pages remain just the way they are, now and forever. Obviously that's necessary for pages which have serious legal weight—things like Misplaced Pages:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License and the various disclaimer pages. Why is it necessary for old polls and discussions? This isn't a bulletin board, it's a wiki. Pages aren't supposed to be locked without some pressing need. Misplaced Pages:Protection policy#Uses
To Will2k: I suggest reading some of the articles listed in Misplaced Pages:Featured articles#Music before declaring that article "complete". —Charles P.  15:52, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall

We've got an endless revert war going on surrounding Camilla Parker-Bowles and whether she is "the Princess Charles." It's added, it's removed, it's added, it's removed, it's added, it's removed, and the nimrods over there even removed my attempt as a third-party at mediating a hold. I'm going to try to mediate the hold again, but am not optimistic. I think that the page needs at least temporary protection to encourage the disputing parties to come to a resolution. — WCityMike 16:00, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Um, so where do we find out if the request will be granted, and how quickly is it acted upon? — WCityMike 22:43, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
I'm protecting the page. -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. — WCityMike 12:11, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Reform Party of Minnesota

This was a name of what is now the Independence Party of Minnesota, but also of a splinter group that formed when the 2000 election was happening. It deserves its own article. User:Smith03 continually reverts edits to merge the pages, even after i requested he stop. PLEASE PROTECT EdwinHJ | Talk 20:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Edit-this-page-large.png

This page is a common target of vandalism (2 reverts needed already today) and I cannot see the advantage to keeping it unprotected. It would make life far easier if it were protected, and would not make things miserable for anyone (the page shouldn't be modified anyway). Smoddy (tek) 20:05, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Marked with Vprotected. -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Taipei_American_School

This page is being continuously reverted, changed and otherwise abused by 3 (and perhaps now 4) IP addresses. There have been 3 non-anonymous users (including myself) that have tried to revert, discuss and explain what is required. We have POV'd the article, and it doesn't seem to be making any difference. Details in the discussion page and on the Vandalism in Progress page. Wikibofh 21:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ward Churchill & Ward LeRoy Churchill

Both pages are under various attacks from various sockpuppetts, recomond that a ban of several hours if not days be implemented untill sockpuppetry is down and a dialog can be furthred between responcible editors in resolving the POV dispute. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 03:15, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Kerry

This page was reverted by an admin to remove a direct quote with a summary and then protected - this seems unreasonable to me. Can someone unprotect the page. Symes

Context: An anonymous user reverted the article to his preferred version 13 times, against the vocal opposition of several other users, and declared an intent to dodge 3RR blocks. I, previously uninvolved, exercised my option to protect the version preferred by those more closely complying with the 3RR, as allowed by the protection policy. —Charles P.  04:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I to understand that a group of people can force a specific POV just because the organize and obey a rule? We should look at the edit - a full quote from someone versus a summary of it - both of similar length (paragraph changes from 2 to 3 lines on my screen with the full quote) - it seem so self evident that the facts are more clearly presented in a direct quote than a summary. How does this system work for disputations like this?? Symes 04:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
There is obviously a dispute here. You can help resolve this by spending the time talking to other people on the talk page. If there are 11 reverts in short order then it seems clear that there is some sort of dispute that should be resolved. BrokenSegue 22:01, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Symes (talk · contribs) is clearly the anon user who made the repeated edits in multiple 3RR violations. He is, frankly, not being honest about the nature of his edits, which ncluded as an introduction to the text: "Kerry admitted to having committed war crimes by saying:" Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:04, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're insistence that I am the anon user at John Kerry is False and demeaning - I have asked User:Jamesday to verify this to you - I've been told that he can somehow - However, I respectfully request that you retract and apologize this accusation.

Granted I have been coached through IM by someone whom more experienced on wikipedia than I am for some of my problems last night - but I can not believe how quickly I was attacked. Is this what wikipedia does to someone who is fairly new - just attack when the point of view is different - I spent hours reading about all your "high ideals" which I now see are just wasted because there has been no wikilove. (cc'ed to your user page) Symes 02:47, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  1. It seemed clear (and I'll wait to see some evidence to the contrary before I retract that) that you were the anon. He made a string of edits to an article from which this account has been absent; as soon as the page is protected, you appeared on the protection page to defend him. There's the evidence; what is the counter-evidence?
  2. You forfeited any assumption of good faith when you misdescribed what had been going on (another indication that you are the anon, incidentally). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I still can't believe that you have yet again accused me of being the anon - PROVE IT - I am editing from a static IP through Brighthouse. In the mean time I am going to take Hawstom's advice -Symes 01:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is totally unreasonable - what misdescription? - an admin reverted the change and the protected the page. Symes 10:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Air China destinations and China Southern Airlines destinations

The policy dispute, partly over the usage of "mainland China" as according to naming conventions, is currently nominated for arbitration. And these two lists are not the only lists of destinations grouping domestic and international destinations in different sections. Huaiwei is in attempt to conform these two lists to the same format of the other lists he created or edited. — Instantnood 21:16, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

This is not a policy dispute, since the term "Mainland China" dosent appear. The only other list classifying them by domestic and international is the Varig page, and not the Lufthansa one he pointed out. So "some" actually refers to one, or at most two, out of all other lists. Instantnood, when moving the destination lists out of the two airliness pages, also changes their presentation to the "domestic/international" format without notice. Finally, I was not the one singularly dictating the format of these pages. They were actually based on existing formats across multiple pages which had more or less kept to similar formats until now.--Huaiwei 21:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nepali Misplaced Pages Logo

Someone is trying to use non-Nepali script on the logo. User:Indiver 02:30, Apr 12, 2005 (NST)



Newgrounds

This page is beeing vandalised by several different useres, which have been listed in VIP but yet to have been blocked, the vandalism is mainly to promote their groupe on the site was well as general vandalism. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 02:19, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Aesthetic Realism

The believers of this philosophy keep removing any reference to criticism about it. In particular they remove the link to Aesthetic Realism is a Cult and that their founder, Eli Siegel, killed himself. 23:30, 6 Apr 2005 (CST)

Are you sure you've got the right link? The history of that page shows only four revisions in total, three from early 2005 and only one from today. Bryan 04:36, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see a more extensive history at Aesthetic realism - looks like an anon cut-and-pasted the article back to Aesthetic Realism after a move was done. But still, all of the edits over there are from January and February, and I see little evidence of an ongoing conflict. Bryan 04:39, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The page is currently under attantion of people who put the "cult" text on the page. They have no other edit history. Pavel Vozenilek 21:22, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The first writer (the one who requested page protection) is Michael Bluejay, webmaster of michaelbluejay.com. I believe I am the "anon" Bryan Derksen refers to because I moved the entry back to the correct designation, Aesthetic Realism, with both words capitalized properly (as needed for a proper noun). I have just registered in Misplaced Pages formally. Arnold Perey 17:06, 13 April 2005 (UTC)

Revisionist Zionism

User:Guy Montag is removing a letter by Jewish luminaries denouncing Revisionist Zionism for unencyclopedic reasons. AndyL 20:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mara Salvatrucha

User LibraryLion requests this page be temporarily be protected from further editing to resolve an editing conflict between myself and Squeakbox. A good portion of factual and specific information I've added, cited from a world respected magazine, is being deleted without justification. The only reason it seems be being deleted is because it "offends" someone. I have restored other information from others, but I do not know of its validity. In not one statement I wrote is an opinion. There seems to be no common ground here, so arbitration may be needed. April 6, 2005

There is no reason whatsoever to protect the page; LibraryLion just wants to protect his version.

I reverted his material. There has been no edit war. He then reverted my edits 4 days later. i reverted again and he immediately came here shouting about page protection and arbitration. An OTT reaction or what? Or perhasps an attempt to intimidate me into not engaging with this article.

This article has an NPOV sticker on it because someoneelse considered the edits of LibraryLion and friends to be very POV (violence obsessed). A lot of the removed info is anecdotes, some is incorrect. Silsor has also been editing. RickK previously mentioned the POV. This article is problematic, and still with it's POV notice, but there are no grounds on which to protect this article. He is under the impression that because something appeared in Newsweek it gives an automatic right for this material to appear in here as well. Why LibraryLion mentions arbitration is beyond me. I find it bizarre, but typical of the attacking nature of this character.

Arbitration for merciless editing. I don't think so, --SqueakBox 14:11, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Leaving it on my watchlist for now. Please tone down your attacks on LibraryLion. If things get bad I may intervene, but clearly the article is being reasonably heavily edited so I don't want to heed LibraryLion's request.
Do you think he could be persuaded to use "~~~~" ? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:38, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

LibraryLion started attacking me first at Talk:Mara Salvatrucha#Edit conflict, --SqueakBox 14:51, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Special Contributions/ LibraryLion dumped this on my User page today re Mara Salvatrucha, --SqueakBox 23:57, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

The Matrix, New religious movement

Unqualified, undiscussed, and non-consensus-based reverts by one anonymous user, 66.x.x.x/69.x.x.x (he changes IP's to hide his trail). Probable self-promotion. Adds references to "Matrixism" (references were already present, but edited for fact and POV reasons in The Matrix, but s/he reverts back to unreverted state) Philwelch 06:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Note: Philwelch is also breaking the three-revert rule in this "edit war" by restoring his own version of the page, discussed but non-consensus-based, as he insists that his POV is correct and will not accept alternatives to his own edits. MFNickster 14:02, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That's a damn lie and you're a mighty coward for saying that behind the shield of an anonymous nickname. I considered the anonymous reversions to be vandalism (and my reversions thereof to be under the "simple vandalism" exception to 3RR), although if others have a different interpretation of the policy I can accept that. The position I took in the editing dispute was a COMPROMISE between deleting the reference entirely and letting it stay unedited. Instead, I edited it to fit factual and NPOV standards. It looks like the consensus now is to delete that reference when the page is finally unprotected (and since List of religions has been both unprotected and unvandalized for quite the while, it appears our vandal has given up). Philwelch 00:03, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
S/he doesn't change IPs to hide the trail, s/he changes IPs because of dialup. Both you and the anonymous editor are currently blocked for 24 hours by WP:3RR, so there's no need for protection at present. silsor 15:41, Apr 6, 2
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