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Rowling and Barbra Banda

Times and again, Rowling has exhibited transphobia like her recent claim that Barbra Banda doesn't look feminine enough. J.K. Rowling harasses African soccer player for not being womanly enough

This is my reason for adding Category:Anti-transgender activists here. Arbeiten8 (talk) 10:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Putting aside the misrepresentation of Rowling's issue here, and the fact that her comments on Banda are not even related to trans issues, the article does not classify Rowling as an 'anti-transgender activist', meaning it is not appropriate to put the article in such a category.Daff22 (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

"Transphobic billionaire author J.K. Rowling is attacking yet another cisgender African female athlete" Arbeiten8 (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Per Daff22. Arbeiten8, please have a look at a broader sampling of unbiased sources, along with the scores of times the same discussion has been had on this talk page, and in particular, the high quality sources required for a Featured article. And I believe we have the same situation with this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Rowling is the textbook definition of what is transphobia. She has

#Misgendered trans people

#Misgendered cis people who she perceived as the wrong gender like India Willoughby

#Authored the book Troubled Blood & The Silkworm claiming that trans women are supervillains wanting to rape women casting "trans women as a threat" according to GLAAD

The only reason the first sentence of this article doesn't describe her as a transphobia activist is by the dint of fanatics with an agenda to profit off her like Warner Bros. Discovery, Inc. (WBD) Arbeiten8 (talk) 15:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/harry-potter-hbo-series-jk-rowling-transphobia-1236215642/

I mean, even Variety is saying it now.... Adam Cuerden _{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 17:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

This debate has been had a number of times now, and it has become abundantly clear that there is no consensus for adding that label. TBicks (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I know we've had this discussion multiple times before and the consensus prior is that, despite Rowling's actions over the past few years, it doesn't relate much to her overall career and ongoing notability. As of yet. And the latter sentence was noted in those discussions as well. I do wonder, though, at where that line is and how long is needed of her continuing this ongoing bigotry that had been all she's gotten reporting on for years now before we can actually change or add to the article about this being a new main part of her ongoing notability. There is a time amount and line where that would be true, right? Silverseren 00:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Probably? Assuming reliable sources start commonly calling/alluding to her being an anti-transgender activist, I don't see why not.

The problem in past discussions seems to have boiled down not to whether she is anti-transgender (I think she's made her gender critical views clear by this point), but to if she is an activist. Few of the RSs previously discussed actually describe her that way, and there's no consensus thusfar as to if simple speech on Twitter constitutes activism (especially given the absence of campaigning elsewhere).

Anyhow, it's only been a couple of months since the last time this was discussed, and in the absence of new developments, we can't keep reigniting this every time someone wants to link some poor quality sources (LGBTQ Nation is hardly unbiased on this issue). TBicks (talk) 01:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

"In the past, JK Rowling stated that she would prefer ‘two years’ in jail over using a trans person’s correct pronouns. "

2 books claiming trying to create a stereotype of trans women as male murderers and rapists; J.K. Rowling's New Book Features Character Murdered Over Transphobic Views (Rolling Stone)

Rowling also indicated that Trump's 2024 electoral win is because of the triumph of transphobia (Kamala is for they/them): According to her, the only reason that she couldn't positively declare ""Trump's win was down to the gender stuff" is because she isn't an American voter

Also, would I be wrong in stating that if Rowling were a WP user engaging in this unrepentant rhetoric, then she' be banned?

We have articles like ] claiming that the subject is a white supremacist in spite of Fuentes's denial. On the other hand, when Rowling is accused of transphobia, she retorts that she doesn't care and is "indifferent to your disapproval."

I think people can common sense. We don't need a hundreds sources to run a headline to the effect "Rowling is the great transphobic author of all time in human history" to decide that 2+2=4 Arbeiten8 (talk) 02:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I think the goalposts keep moving. We have reliable sources directly talking about it now. But they'll probably insist on peer-reviewed papers, and if those are presented, will say they're not as good as ones from 10 years ago, which don't mention her transphobia. Adam Cuerden _{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 15:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

A little more AGF, please, Adam Cuerden. At least a few of us insist on good sourcing because we believe in enforcing FA standards - please look through the FAR archives, if you believe I am doing so out of some loyalty to Rowling. I note that we last exhaustively revised the relevant section five months ago. Has Rowling done enough since then to merit another revision? I'm inclined to think not. Also: the splashiest headlines of the last few months have been ostensibly unrelated to trans people: she has criticized Imane Khelif and Barbra Banda for not appearing feminine enough, despite them being cis-women, as far as the world knows. This could arguably be worked into her views, but it would really be stretching a point to use this as justification for "anti-transgender activist". Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

No, @Adam Cuerden... although featured articles should have a higher quality requirement for sources, as long as the preponderance of reliable sources (of any variety) suggest something, there is no reason not to add it. The goalposts have remained firmly in the same place.

As already mentioned, there is little mention of her being an activist in reliable sources. I don't think people are seriously suggesting that she isn't anti-trans any more, but to label her an activist requires more than just RSs pointing out that she says mean stuff on twitter. TBicks (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Like, the Variety piece says anti-trans activity is the central focus of her online persona. I don't think that's particularly ambiguous, and if the only objection is exact wording, we could literally quote theirs. "In 2024, Variety wrote that Rowling 'has made her campaign against trans identity the central focus of her online persona.'" Adam Cuerden _{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 15:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to adding that sentence into the relevant paragraph on her trans views.

That's different to actually labelling her an "Anti-trans Activist" in wikivoice, which is what was suggested by Arbeiten8. As I mentioned, simply quoting a single RS like Variety would be insufficient for that change - it would require much more significant usage in RSs than has been presented thusfar. TBicks (talk) 16:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not actually opposed to inserting that quote in the body, because it is summarizing what the popular press has to say about her online presence in a way that most sources don't do. It remains insufficient for the "anti-trans activist" label, though. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I believe Adam's arguments has met all the criteria to label JK a anti trans activist. 2600:8806:340C:EC00:956A:F27D:3920:D86A (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Related JKR discussion

In the light of the above discussion, there is a discussion of the treatment of Rowling's political views at Political views of J. K. Rowling#Comments on trans people in Nazi Germany that may be of interest to editors at this page. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

JK Rowling and the Nazi Book Burning comments

I believe a general overview of her comment on this topic should be added to the main page. It garnered considerable attention from both the general public and media. This holds as much relevance as other inclusions, like her disaproval of the phrase "people who menstrate." My suggestion would be to add the following statment, including the Telegraph article as a source as it lacks bias against Joanne. Although, it does contain some mischaracterising of events about the reasonings of Brown to defend Rowling's comments so I would be open to an improved source as it does bias towards Joanne.

In March 2024, Rowling questioned the Nazi book burning of the research into transgender healthcare at the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft as a potential "fever dream" in reply to a user on Twitter, officially known as X.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/16/jk-rowling-holocaust-denier-allegation-rivkah-brown-novara/ Pink Pyra (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what that sentence even means. She 'questioned it'? The Nazis were a pretty questionable bunch! I think I see what you're getting at but even so, she didn't explicitly say "That Nazi book burning of the research into transgender healthcare at the Institut für Sexualwissenschaftevent was a fever dream", neither does your source say that's what she meant, to read that into it is WP:OR. JeffUK 23:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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