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I've started a discussion about Māori names at ]. If you want to make comments there during your block period, please post them below (and make it clear whether you are reply to me here or to the noticeboard discussion) and I'll copy the comments there for you.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 19:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC) I've started a discussion about Māori names at ]. If you want to make comments there during your block period, please post them below (and make it clear whether you are reply to me here or to the noticeboard discussion) and I'll copy the comments there for you.-<font face="cursive" color="#808080">]</font> 19:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

==New Zealand Wiki Notice Board==

Thankyou kindly Gadfium if you copy this;

* In the first sentences of the articles and in the infoboxes we can use only generally accepted most common English names (We primarily writte Misplaced Pages for English-language readers and we should not confuse them with so many names in the infoboxes and in the first paragraph of the article where other more important things should be)
* If English-language readers want to know other names used for the subject, such names could be written in the "Name" section where they easy can find them
* We can have separate article sections named "Language" where we can describe official language policies, i.e, we can say which languages are used as official by local or national authorities.

From the scientific point of view, my opinion is very logical and very much in accordance with scientific purpose of Misplaced Pages. There is really no any logical reason for usage of so many non-English names in English texts because such names do not mean anything to English-language readers.
I found that preceeding argument elswhere on wikipedia, and it was largely the basis and motivation of my changes.

Also, by forcing a Maori name on every article is somewhat incorrect, as we are assuming Maori is the default language. I say this as, while a town or authority with an English name will have its Maori translation, a Maori named town (such as Tauranga, Whakatane etc) will have no such translation.
I have no great problem with the Maori names being explained in a 'names' section, but disagree entirely with them being placed in the infoboxes, as if they hold as much weight as their English equivalents.
We must remember, that as New Zealanders, this may not be too confusing for us, but for a foreigner to read this it would be greatly confusing. Especially if they were planning a trip to our country.
Please keep these names out of infoboxes, and ideally out of the first line of the article and into a ''names'' section.

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January 2007

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April 2007

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Helpful guidance

Hi there Hayden. After seeing your edits to Weston, New Zealand I think you could benefit from and appreciate guidance from a widely experienced Wikipedian, so I have asked User:Gadfium if he has the time to help you out. I left a message here on his talk page. Ordinarily I would offer assistance myself, but I simply don't have available time. Cheers. 219.89.17.189 06:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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May 2007

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I've now listed it for deletion. You created this image due to your dislike of the use of Rakiura. The image is based on a map that's fallen out of favour because its out of scale. So, I would suggest that we find consensus on the naming of the article, before (if at all) creating a new image.--Limegreen 12:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


Image:Hanging gays.jpg

I've nominated your image for speedy delete. The copyright of the picture is owned by the Iranian Students News Agency. So even if you took the picture you will need to provide evidence of your employers' permission to post it. Also as an Iranian New Zealander you arn't able to be considered an European New Zealander but still might be able to be counted as a pakeha - SimonLyall 08:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about the above, I am not very up on ethnic groups in the east so didn't realise that calling you an Iranian New Zealander might be offensive. I made an incorrect assumption based on where you took the photo and who for alone with some other posts to NZ related groups. It now occurs to me you might might be a member of another ethnic group from Iran or perhaps you were just on a working visit there when you took the photo. Also you may prefer not to be called a NZer, Anyway, Sorry for the confusion - SimonLyall 09:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

3rd time lucky. Once again sorry for the above, it's been a long day. Anyway the photo you took was pretty good but like I said it looks like the agency owns the copyright so wikipedia can't use it. If you have another version that you own the copyright and you would like to release it then I'm sure it could be added to wikipedia. - SimonLyall 09:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


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Vandalism to Homosexuality

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Hitler Photo?

Did you really take that photo of Hitler? I'm beginning to suspect you arn't on the level sometimes - SimonLyall 12:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Your edits to Actor

I have reverted your edit because that is not really the case. Many female actresses do actually prefer to be known as actors, simply because that is the general name given to the job specification. Thanks for showing an interest though - I'd just thought that was a duff edit that was all. Lradrama 11:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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Please use the Talk:Actor or the IPs talk page to say why you reverted his edits and why they were a 'complete load of bollocks'. Thanks Lradrama 08:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see the talkpage for actor. It is obvious you are not an actor or not interested in drama or acting, because you keep reverting edits that are good. Please take part in the disussion, and leave football out of it... Lradrama 10:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
See that talkpage - I have support from all quarters. Lradrama 12:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive list of actors/actreses moves

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Appeal

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Request reason:

I was removing POV, not adding it! All the subcategories are Indian Actresses, American Actresses etc etc so why would the parent list not conform with this? I was merely adding uniformity. Furthermore, I was acting upon the discussion on the List of film actresses page. These were sincere edits, meaning to conform only to the English language and to consensus on the talk page and to conform with all the subpages. Also, Actress is the worldwide accepted term, as well as the term used in the Oscars, Academies et cetera.--Hayden5650 12:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Looks like you've been making fairly large scale changes despite considerable dissent. This is most certainly justified, especially given you were doing the same to Homosexuality last week. Comments like this are not helpful either. – Steel 17:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


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Disruptive edits to New Zealand articles

I see that you have changed the articles of many New Zealand government agencies to remove the Māori names, usually with a misleading or insulting edit summary. I have rolled these back. The Māori names are equivalent to the English ones for these agencies, as Māori is an official language in New Zealand. Your edits are purely disruptive.-gadfium 19:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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New Zealand Wiki Notice Board

Thankyou kindly Gadfium if you copy this;

  • In the first sentences of the articles and in the infoboxes we can use only generally accepted most common English names (We primarily writte Misplaced Pages for English-language readers and we should not confuse them with so many names in the infoboxes and in the first paragraph of the article where other more important things should be)
  • If English-language readers want to know other names used for the subject, such names could be written in the "Name" section where they easy can find them
  • We can have separate article sections named "Language" where we can describe official language policies, i.e, we can say which languages are used as official by local or national authorities.

From the scientific point of view, my opinion is very logical and very much in accordance with scientific purpose of Misplaced Pages. There is really no any logical reason for usage of so many non-English names in English texts because such names do not mean anything to English-language readers. I found that preceeding argument elswhere on wikipedia, and it was largely the basis and motivation of my changes.

Also, by forcing a Maori name on every article is somewhat incorrect, as we are assuming Maori is the default language. I say this as, while a town or authority with an English name will have its Maori translation, a Maori named town (such as Tauranga, Whakatane etc) will have no such translation. I have no great problem with the Maori names being explained in a 'names' section, but disagree entirely with them being placed in the infoboxes, as if they hold as much weight as their English equivalents. We must remember, that as New Zealanders, this may not be too confusing for us, but for a foreigner to read this it would be greatly confusing. Especially if they were planning a trip to our country. Please keep these names out of infoboxes, and ideally out of the first line of the article and into a names section.

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