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References and accuracy

As I mentioned it on the Nedic's Serbia talk page, the occupied Serbia is not recogised by the international law nor by historians as a puppet state. It was just an occupied territory of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia completely (military and economically) controlled by Germans. Also, Banat was a part of that occupied territory and Serbian dinar was a valid currency in Banat, Nedic's gendarmerie and police was present in Banat, too. I see that the two very respectable references Raul Hilberg's The Destruction of the European Jews, 3 vols, Holmes & Meyer, New York 1985, Volume 2, and the Guttman's Encyclopedia of the Holocaust are not separating Banat from the occupied territory whose military and civil rule was subordinated to the supreme German command and rule in Belgrade. All the article is full of forgeries and unsupported claims about that time occupied Serbia. Also, the very article name is nonsense. The Nedic's regime did not have full control over the occupied territory - it was rather a puppet regime executing commands of the occupiers and respecting fully the occupier's wishes.

So, my proposal is - to completely delete this article and, if anything should be useful to be mentioned at all, shall go into an article whose name shall be Serbia 1941-1944--Guivon 18:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You are wrong - Nedić's Serbia was not "completely controlled by Germans" because it had its own government and security forces. In Banat, local Germans were in power and controled the territory and the fact that references that you mentioned "are not separating Banat from the occupied territory whose military and civil rule was subordinated to the supreme German command and rule in Belgrade" does not contradict to what I said that Banat was an autonomus territory within Nedić's Serbia. Also, what exactly here you claim to be "forgeries and unsupported claims"? And there is no single reason for this article to be deleted because there are numerous sources that confirm that this is valid encyclopaedic subject. See this map: http://www.terra.es/personal7/jqvaraderey/194145fc.gif - if you are right then why this map show what it show? PANONIAN 20:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see this: http://homepage20.seed.net.tw/web@3/flags/wfh/pg-eu-4.htm If there was no any difference between serbia and Banat, why this source say this: "1941 Serbia and Banat occupied by Germany to 1944."? PANONIAN 21:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See also this: http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/collapse.html Quote: "The eastern half of Vojvodina (Banat) had a separate German military administration, in which members of the local German minority played the chief part." And the source for that is: Encyclopedia Britannica, edition 1971, Volume 23, pages 921,922 entry: Yugoslavia, 6. WWII. PANONIAN 21:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See this too: http://www.holocaustchronicle.org/staticpages/257.html Quote: "Following their invasion of Yugoslavia, the Germans divided the country into several regions. They placed Serbia and Banat under their direct control and initiated actions against the Jewish population." PANONIAN 21:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See this: http://www.barnesreview.org/Jan_2003/Ethnic_Germans/ethnic_germans.html Quote: "The Balkan campaign of 1941 against Yugoslavia resulted in a confused new split-up of Yugoslavia. There were diplomatic struggles for the Banat between Horthy’s Hungary and Antonescu’s Romania. There was the danger that these two countries would go to war against each other to gain the fertile plain east of the Theiss River. In order to prevent such a war, the German government decided to place the Yugoslavian part of the Banat under military administration. The Germans in the Banat were highly satisfied to come under German administration after all." PANONIAN 21:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See this: http://www.rastko.org.yu/filmtv/msavkovic-1941-1945.html Quote: "Banat was occupied by Germany – the civil government was organized by the members of the German national minority (Folksdeutschers)" PANONIAN 21:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

One more: http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Yugoslavia.html Quote: "Banat nominally under Serbian government but under German administration". PANONIAN 00:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Serious editorial work???

These 'references, are simply nonsense. Just click them to see what they are about

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Which way THIS might be a reference here???

1. Slobodan Ćurčić, Broj stanovnika Vojvodine, Novi Sad, 1996.
2. History of Europe, The Times, London, 2001.

--Guivon 00:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Why you claiming that these references are nonsense? It is not important what is main subject of these references but what they say about Banat and Serbia and they confirm that data written in this article is correct. PANONIAN 00:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Did you click these links? If not - do it and tell us what is there. Also, if this Slobodan Ćurčić, Broj stanovnika Vojvodine, Novi Sad, 1996. is a reference - which way it supports the text? I can't believe my eyes that someone could claim such a nonsense!

I am not going to argue with you anymore nor I am going to revert any of your 'edits'--Guivon 02:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)