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Patrick Alexander (cartoonist)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Patrick Alexander (cartoonist). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. DollyD 11:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Northside High School Article

The one saying that I am like the moderator of the NHS Page is kind of a little thing to keep vandaliser's away. I do keep a look out for the NHS article because i am an alumni from there. But I am not imposing ownership on it. The reason I revert alot of the edits make to the NHS page lately is because people have been deleting encyclopedic material. Like the last change that was made they said that it was uncyclopedic material and that it was promotional, i undid that revision. Sorry if there was confusion and please message me if you have any more questions. have a great day! Chrismaster1 18:26, 5 September 2007

In addition, I saw the thing about me on the Wiki thing about vandalism. I posted the bitch slappin thing to get people to quit deleting stuff about the band. So that's why I said what I said to get people to stop deleting the band. By the way, If you happen to run into justtoletyouknow6 i think thats his name, tell him to send me a message. Chrismaster1 18:05, 6 September 2007

RFA Thanks

Dearest Mr.Z-man,
Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed successfully with 96 supports, 1 oppose, and 3 neutrals. No matter if you !voted support, oppose, neutral, I thank you for taking the time to drop by. I'm a new admin remember, so if you have any suggestions feel free to inform me of them. I would like to give a special shout out to Hirohisat, Wizardman, and Husond, for there original co-nominations. Thank you once again and good day.

Echo 429 Productions

Mr.Z-man i would like you to un-delet this wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/Echo_429_productions because it is a wiki for a productions company. if you decide to keep it deleted you would have to delet every productions companys wiki to be fair. thank you and good day sir. Superfryman 21:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why that would be fair. Companies such as Paramount Pictures are a lot more notable. Please see WP:CSD#A7, the article you wrote did not assert why it was notable. See also WP:NOT, WP:NFT, WP:CORP, and WP:NFT, which all seem to apply in this case. Persistently recreating it won't help either. Mr.Z-man 22:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I see were you are coming from but please keep it's wiki up. I am asking you in the kindest way to let it stay up. it is currently in the process of being a offical USA company and then calling it a group would be defunct. also paramont is a studio not a production company (at least i think so) Superfryman 23:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it fails too many policies for me to undelete it. If you want to continue to try to undelete it, you will have to state your case at deletion review. Mr.Z-man 23:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

what policies is it failing? also can I just remake the page? Superfryman 23:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion criterion A7 and most likely What Misplaced Pages is not. It also fails the notability guideline for companies. If you can be sure it is inline with policies (also including Verifiability, Neutral Point of View, and Reliable sources) you can recreate it. Also, if you worked for the company, you may want to review the conflict of interest guideline as well. Mr.Z-man 23:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

mr.ziman what you said on my talk page sounded like a threat. i am not so shore if you care on whom i am. i can be a good allie and a powerful enemy. i will go through the deletion prosses thingy but be wared if you ever theraten me again you will be very sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superfryman (talk • contribs) 02:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't care who you are. If you continue to blatantly violate policy after being warned to stop, I or any other admin would be well within our rights to block you. Mr.Z-man 02:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

ok, i feel as though it was not given a fair chance though just because you do not know about us does not mean we are not important Superfryman 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Echo 429 productions. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Superfryman 19:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC) here is a list of 63 people who say Echo 429 productions does in fact exist http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Sig1.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Sig2.jpg Superfryman 22:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I too would also like to know for what specific reasons did our page not meet the guidelines. I'm part of echo429 and was there when we managed to get those 60 signatures in one lunch period, that's not small accomplishment at our school. I agree with staerblader that if you are to delete our production's wiki, you might as well be fair to delete all the others. does that seem like a good idea? sincerely viper1213 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viper1213 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It failed multiple guidelines and policies. Please see Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion#A7, Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources, Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies), and Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. A company made up by a few school friends, especially one that was created this year and has yet to produce anything, is not notable and can in no way be compared to major Hollywood production companies. Signatures of 60 people from 1 school is not even close to an assertion of notability, let alone proof of notability. For a company to have an article here, there must be reliable secondary sources to prove notability. From looking on Google, I can't even find proof that it exists. The only Google results are mentions here and on sites that mirror Misplaced Pages. Mr.Z-man 21:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Merci pour le message de bienvenue!

Hello my friend! Thank you very much for the message of welcomes! I am really happy with this greeting! I promise to do great editions here in the wiki! Thank you!Abumerhy 09:55pm sep,25. 2007 (UTC)

Re: Jean-Paul Ney

Thanks for your message. I have no personal stake in the article, and have no opinion one way or the other on this individual. I only happened to notice the changes when I was looking at the Recent changes page, and decided to take a look. All I am saying is that I have no personal or ideological axe to grind. I just want to see the article improved---which is to say, I want to see it turned into a real article with properly-cited information. Thanks for taking on the issue. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 19:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I am becoming increasingly uncomfortable working on this article . Additions are still being made that reference personal websites/blogs, and actually unless some of this material is translated by a good translator, and or if the books have not been read and referenced somewhere there is no way of telling if allegations are true. Is there a troll at work here? I do not consider myself to be a particularly experienced editor in terms of this kind of thing, so I am not really going to be able to much with this article. Just thought I'd mention concerns.(olive 23:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

The best solution would be to bring it up on the talk page for discussion. Mr.Z-man 23:54, 1 October 2007(UTC)

Thanks very much for reply - A good and obvious solution somewhat complicated by editors who don't sign, whose English is probably a second language, and so difficult to know who they are addressing. At any rate have to move on .... just got involved to edit syntax but very busy.Best wishes.(olive 14:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

Grawp moving

The following articles probably need to be protected from Grawp moves: 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake (3), United Kingdom‎ (2) and Lord Voldemort‎ (2). Most of the articles he's ever moved so far are now protected from moving except ones he hit sporadically. — Moe ε 21:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Crapware.jpg

How is this image not fair use? It is low-res, it illustrates the subject in question (Crapware), and no free alternatives exist.SteveSims 01:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

My Block Log

Hi Z-man, Could you kindly leave a comment on my block log saying it was a mistake as per WP:BP#Recording_in_the_block_log, I know you have apologized in my talk page and it is recorded in the ANI discussion as well, but just in case, could you also leave a comment. Thanks NëŧΜǒńğer 07:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to trouble you with this, what are the implications of a dummy block? if thats normally done I don't mind as long as it records the event. NëŧΜǒńğer 13:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks mate, please go ahead and do it. NëŧΜǒńğer 00:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks NëŧΜǒńğer 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Removing backlinks

Please do not make edits like . The article was deleted because it consisted of nothing but an infobox, not because it's not a worthy subject. --NE2 06:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The page I deleted was a redirect to a page that did not exist. If people checked why the target to every broken redirect was deleted and then checked every backlink to make sure it was not appropriate, it would take days to delete all the hundreds of broken redirects. If an article can be written on the subject, feel free to re add the link. Mr.Z-man 15:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you shouldn't remove backlinks if you're not sure if they should exist. --NE2 00:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I adjusted my settings for Twinkle not to remove links for R1. Mr.Z-man 01:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --NE2 02:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for catching the image vandalism on my talk page, I was busy reverting all the other instances, lol. I appreciate your quick response! 18:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

adopt me

can you adopt me

Dillio411 00:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki interface

Z-man, sorry to bother you, but you seem smart on the MediaWiki interface...where would I go to suggest that the Misplaced Pages upload wizard automatically include a blank {{Information}} template in the upload wizard, the way that the Commons upload wizard does? I think this will cut down on some of our image copyright problems. Thanks for any guidance you can point to! Videmus Omnia 17:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

That is accomplished using commons:MediaWiki:Upload.js. I'm told (and found through testing) that one would need to do more than just copy it to a MediaWiki page of the same name here. You'd need someone more familiar with JavaScript and our upload system (preferably the commons upload system too). You might want to ask on WP:VPT and perhaps somewhere on commons too. Mr.Z-man 20:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Lowering standards

Regarding Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Fictional elements, materials, isotopes and atomic particles, you hit the nail right on the head. I had just finished posting a smiliar comment when yours came across. Glad to know I'm not off in left field here. Thanks. /Blaxthos 16:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hidden Barnstar Page to hard or to easy

Can you find my Hidden Barnstar Page??--Dillio411 18:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

to find my hidden barnstar page, tink inside the box,

User:Wiki Raja

Please take a look at the comments by this user regarding my block at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Netmonger/UserBoxes/Terrorism, your comments there is much appreciated. NëŧΜǒńğer 06:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey Z-man, I was asked to intervene and noticed your previous involvement in the matter and thought you might be best to know what's going on and how to handle it. Let me know if you need my assistance, though...I'm always happy to give a shot at mediation.... Dreadstar † 07:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather not stay involved in this. Mr.Z-man 14:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I totally and completely understand.... Dreadstar † 16:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

If you're interested, . Dreadstar † 19:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ack! Never mind!. Nice rant..one I can agree with..;) Dreadstar † 19:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOR

How long did you protect WP:NOR? It has been nearly two weeks, which is an unusually long time for a dispute protection. Dhaluza 12:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Is the dispute resolved? As it has quite an extensive protection log for disputes (especially recently) I did not set an expiration time. Mr.Z-man 14:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

No, far from it. But permanent (or indefinite) protection for a policy page is a bad precedent. You should have set a time limit. Please unprotect it, and if it needs to be protected again, set a reasonable limit. Dhaluza 09:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of article Keyhole (band)

The article was about Tampa-based band Keyhole. The reason for deletion was certifying the importance of the band? This is a newer Central Fl based band but already one of the more well-known industrial acts in Central FL, opening for such national acts as Marazene and Sister Kill Cycle & receiving radio airplay. The article didn't express opinions and was just a statements of facts. Why was it deleted? Much lesser-known bands have wikis with no contesting or deletions. Badmunchkin 00:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Badmunchkin

Neither Marazene nor Sister Kill Cycle have articles here, so that does not help your case. Please see Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) for the notability criteria for bands as well as Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. Many radio stations have local music programs, so just saying "radio play" is not good enough either. If other articles for less notable bands exist, please point me to them so I can delete them as well. Mr.Z-man 00:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

there's plenty of localized bands on wikipedia - I'm not sure why neither marazene or SKC are here - I didn't realize it was a popularity contest. Here's one I found right offhand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Suburban_tragedy

Badmunchkin 06:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)BadmunchkinBadmunchkin 06:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It isn't really a popularity contest (as much as the media is) as notability on Misplaced Pages is based on the availability of reliable secondary sources. The article did not have any and made no significant assertion of notability. If you believe that the article met Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, feel free to argue your case on deletion review. Mr.Z-man 16:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

About the sexual harassment incident

Mr. Z-man, thanks for setting me straight. Bwjs 14:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the speedy handling of my un-autoblock request. Mael-Num 22:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:Vandal

So your message you posted me there might be one problem . My ISP changes my ip address on a regular basis which i think i would be a problem . Richardson j 22:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Feast of Fools (podcast)

Hi Mr.Z-man. You deleted Feast of Fools (podcast) September 30, 2007 per AfD. I worked with another editor to reference the article in his user space. With substantial new information added to the article, I restored it to Feast of Fools (podcast). If you have any objections, please let me know. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 02:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Far better now! Mr.Z-man 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal

I think your point of opposition has already been addressed. As noted in the discussion you can simply look at WP:FC which has already formatted a couple hundred lists in a main page friendly format. I hope you will reconsider your opposition after taking a look.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You previously opposed the List of the Day Proposal due to formatting concerns. Could you please look at the following two proposed main page mockups and reconsider your vote (I think the 2nd may meet with your approval):

Excerpted list format

Abbreviated text format —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 18:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe

Regarding your recent edits to the article on Edgar Allan Poe... you're my hero! Thanks for putting in all those citations, fixing up language, etc. It was a daunting task I had been (admittedly) avoiding for quite some time now! --Midnightdreary 22:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

October 2007 newsletter for WikiProject Abandoned Articles

Welcome

The WikiProject welcomes two new members in the past three months:

• Java7837
• Nearly Human

Progress

The WikiProject is now halfway done, numerically, with the 1000 articles identified in December 2006. The first (oldest) 500 articles have been claimed, reviewed, and (when needed, which was almost all cases) improved. Moreover, given the passage of time, many of articles 501 through 1000 have been worked on by other editors (it's ten months since that list was generated). So reviewing the second half of the 1000 articles should be easier.

A slightly different approach

Section 6 (articles 501 through 600 on the list) has been organized differently than the previous five sections. First, blocks are (roughly) five articles each, rather than 10, making it easier for you to claim and finish a block. Second, perhaps more importantly, each block consists of similar pages; if you're interested in fixing disambiguation pages, there are blocks of those; if you're interested in articles (which is what the project originally started out being), there are blocks of those; and there is one block of lists and one of redirects (mostly redirects to articles). So, fewer surprises this time when you claim a block.

In addition, since the project now has 25 active members (though some are likely inactive), having more blocks will make it easier to spread the editing around.

Inactivating your membership

If you received this newsletter on your user talk page and don't want to receive such postings in the future, please move your name, in the participants section of the WikiProject, to the "Inactive" subsection.

About this newsletter

This newsletter is being delivered by Anibot; it was written by John Broughton. Please post any comments about it to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Abandoned Articles, in a section separate from the newsletter itself.
Delivered by Anibot 00:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Cannabis (drug)

I was going to take this up with can't sleep first, but their talk page is also protected. Cannabis (drug) is usually unprotected. It attracts the most vandalism of any page but no one seems to mind. Vandalism gets fixed seconds after it happens. However as you know many of Misplaced Pages's editors do not register a username, and there is no reason to deny them the opportunity to edit this article. Please reconsider, and also please ask can't sleep clown will eat me to unprotect their talk page as well. I know they protect it occasionally, but it's been protected for four days now. 199.125.109.32 04:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ive copied your comment to his talk page. Mr.Z-man 04:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. 199.125.109.32 05:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The Fagan Page

Just wondering why you deleted the page on Fagan? I did post a request to give me a little longer to finish the page.... Ashleyfagan 00:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)user:ashleyfagan

There was no assertion of notability in the article. Given that they have yet to release an album, it is unlikely that the band will be considered notable by Misplaced Pages's standards any time soon. Based on your username, you may also have a conflict of interest - note that writing articles about yourself or groups you are a member of is, while not prohibited, is generally discouraged. Mr.Z-man 00:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

911

In Talk:September 11, 2001 attacks you wrote: “The towers were not designed to withstand aircraft attacks, they were designed to withstand aircraft impacts. According to Collapse of the World Trade Center, they were designed in the 1960s to withstand an impact of a Boeing 707 at 180 mph, in the event one was lost in fog. The Boeing 767s that hit the towers were longer, wider, taller, could carry more fuel than the 707, and were traveling 440-540 mph.” You used selective quoting to prove a point. For honesty you should have written a reply including the articles second paragraph: “The National Institute of Standards and Technology, however, was unable to document the study reported by Robertson and FEMA. Instead it found a reference to a study of the effects of a Boeing 707 carrying 23,000 gallons of fuel hitting the buildings at 600 mph, which would not only be faster than either of the two planes that hit on 9/11 but with twice the fuel quantity.” Wayne 02:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

And you left out the part of that paragraph that states "NIST was unable to find any further details about the study and ultimately suggested that any attempt to compare the performance of the buildings to design expectations would be 'speculation'." Since our own research is irrelevant in terms of the article, the point is essentially moot. Mr.Z-man 03:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

And that section should probably be archived - it's been there for over a month with no comments. Mr.Z-man 03:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It was actually "deleted for dickiness" according to the summary. I noticed it when I checked to see what was deleted. It may be speculation but there is independant documentary evidence that this reference is correct while it is only Robertson's recollections that the 180 mph is correct. I'm not trying to get you to correct your reply (it's deleted anyway) but merely pointing out an error. Wayne 04:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent block, Good heart barnstar

Hi, thanks very much for the Good heart barnstar, but I was only doing what I felt was right, to fix my error in blocking newbies. Bearian 13:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Mixed Drinks Response

Hello. I left you a response to your question. Please respond there if you have any additional comments, concerns, or questions. Thanks! --Willscrlt (Talk) 04:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for your input. I've made some changes to the templates (one which should really have been deleted months ago) and added a notice to the WikiProject page requesting help to clear the backlog. Thanks for bringing this up. --Willscrlt (Talk) 07:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Chupacabra

There has been nothing but vandalism and reverts on the article since at least Oct. 18, maybe earlier. So I think the article deserved protection. You're right though, I should've tried semi-protection first. Frankly, I totally forgot about the option when I did that. Thanks for correcting my mistake. - Mgm| 21:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)