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| *'''Keep'''. It is my belief that the number of unauthorized books written about Tolkien's world, such as '']'' by ] (which, indeed, has an entry on the Man in the Moon), makes lots of in-universe elements and characters notable, since they thus have been dealt with by multiple independent non-trivial sources. If not kept, this one should be merged into Sun & Moon, as suggested above. ] 18:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. It is my belief that the number of unauthorized books written about Tolkien's world, such as '']'' by ] (which, indeed, has an entry on the Man in the Moon), makes lots of in-universe elements and characters notable, since they thus have been dealt with by multiple independent non-trivial sources. If not kept, this one should be merged into Sun & Moon, as suggested above. ] 18:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Merge''' I suggest merging into ] as this does present some information which I think is worth keeping, but is not notable enough to merit its own page. In response to {{user|Carcharoth}}, I would be tempted to merge this into ] but that article is already long enough, maybe a section in there on ] ] would be a suitable place for this and ]. ] 00:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | *'''Merge''' I suggest merging into ] as this does present some information which I think is worth keeping, but is not notable enough to merit its own page. In response to {{user|Carcharoth}}, I would be tempted to merge this into ] but that article is already long enough, maybe a section in there on ] ] would be a suitable place for this and ]. ] 00:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment''' - merge is still appropriate, but I thought people here might be interested in this: Honnegger, Thomas "The Man in the Moon: Structural Depth in Tolkien", published in "Root and Branch" (2000), from ] . From that review, we have:<blockquote>"The article "The Man in the Moon: Structural Depth in Tolkien" is divided into two parts. In the first half the author gives an extensive and detailled overview of all the occurences of the Man in the Moon; from the medieval thief of a thornbush (with perhaps Biblical references) to the English nursery rhyme of the 19th century. In the second half Thomas Honegger analyses the way Tolkien elaborated on the original Middle English poem. He focusses on the two poems (and their different versions) Tolkien wrote about the 'man in the moon who came down too soon'. It is a pity that the appearance in Tolkien's Roverandom is only mentioned in passing. Like most roo-diggers, the author could not resist having a guess at why Tolkien used this particular piece of folklore; "a construction of a missing linking tradition between medieval and modern Man in the Moon poems"."</blockquote> This is also relevant to ] and ] (the real Moon this time!), though the literary analysis is probably best put at ], with a brief mention at ], while a short summary of the poem can probably go at ]. ] 06:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Contested prod. This is an article about a fictionalized character within a fictional setting, with no secondary sources and no claim to real-world notability. Powers 03:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: Notable; Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be a bureaucracy; Misplaced Pages is not paper; and people not wanting to read this article are usually not forced to read it, the article is found by being linked to in one way or another or by being typed in a URL or search engine. It's not like this article is being being inconvenient or anything. Is it adding extra poundage to a book or something?--Neverpitch 03:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No sources, no claim of real world notability. TJ Spyke 04:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Per nom and TJ Spyke. Ravenna1961 04:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --- tqbf 04:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete: Per above (notability especially). - Rjd0060 04:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, purely in-universe and lacking notability outside of Tolkien's work. - Chardish 05:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete: Non notable -- ¿Amar៛ 09:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to Sun and Moon (Middle-earth). By itself it may not be that important, but if it's covered in an article which discusses the Sun and the Moon in Tolkien's writings, fine. Uthanc 12:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 15:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to Sun and Moon (Middle-earth), per Uthanc (some of the material is already there). By itself, there is not enough here to sustain an article, so merging is the logical choice. In future, if prods in this area are contested, please consider leaving a note at the WikiProject talk page (Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Middle-earth). We are currently tidying up a lot of other areas, but should have time to deal with individual articles without needing a full five-day discussion at AfD. Carcharoth 15:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Note that Chardish (talk · contribs) appears to have responded to the above by placing a prod tag on Sun and Moon (Middle-earth). I understand that people do want to raise their concerns, but there are less aggressive ways to do so. Please consider discussing things before placing prod tags, and please consider discussing before responding to a removed prod tag with an AfD nomination. Taken to its logical conclusion, you will end up placing a prod tag on Middle-earth. A balance has to be struck, yes, but there is room in Misplaced Pages (even taking notability into account) for more than just J. R. R. Tolkien and Middle-earth and The Lord of the Rings. Disrupting ongoing clean-up work is not the best way to find the right balance of sourced and well-written articles. Carcharoth 16:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. It is my belief that the number of unauthorized books written about Tolkien's world, such as The Complete Guide to Middle-earth by Robert Foster (which, indeed, has an entry on the Man in the Moon), makes lots of in-universe elements and characters notable, since they thus have been dealt with by multiple independent non-trivial sources. If not kept, this one should be merged into Sun & Moon, as suggested above. 96T 18:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge I suggest merging into Sun and Moon (Middle-earth) as this does present some information which I think is worth keeping, but is not notable enough to merit its own page. In response to Carcharoth (talk · contribs), I would be tempted to merge this into Middle-earth but that article is already long enough, maybe a section in there on Middle-earth folklore would be a suitable place for this and Sun and Moon (Middle-earth). 82.153.19.100 00:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - merge is still appropriate, but I thought people here might be interested in this: Honnegger, Thomas "The Man in the Moon: Structural Depth in Tolkien", published in "Root and Branch" (2000), from Walking Tree Publishers book review. From that review, we have:
This is also relevant to The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late and Man in the Moon (the real Moon this time!), though the literary analysis is probably best put at Sun and Moon (Middle-earth), with a brief mention at Man in the Moon, while a short summary of the poem can probably go at List of poems by J. R. R. Tolkien. Carcharoth 06:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)"The article "The Man in the Moon: Structural Depth in Tolkien" is divided into two parts. In the first half the author gives an extensive and detailled overview of all the occurences of the Man in the Moon; from the medieval thief of a thornbush (with perhaps Biblical references) to the English nursery rhyme of the 19th century. In the second half Thomas Honegger analyses the way Tolkien elaborated on the original Middle English poem. He focusses on the two poems (and their different versions) Tolkien wrote about the 'man in the moon who came down too soon'. It is a pity that the appearance in Tolkien's Roverandom is only mentioned in passing. Like most roo-diggers, the author could not resist having a guess at why Tolkien used this particular piece of folklore; "a construction of a missing linking tradition between medieval and modern Man in the Moon poems"."