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Images

You can make images smaller via code, check out the images section above. Just H 09:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Can I just email them to you ? Will you watch what I do to Cosmopolitan Girl on the Menudo to see if I do it right give me 20 minutes.--Blue5864 09:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

How did I do on the Cosmopolitan Girl CD of Menudo internal link?--Blue5864 09:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

How did I do on the Cosmopolitan Girl internal link from the Menudo page??--Blue5864 09:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks fine to me :) I removed {{helpme}} Somitho 10:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I will try the other CD's on the Menudo site and give them internal links--Blue5864 11:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Menudo

I took a look over Menudo and the cd/dvd link you provided. You are right on target with your linking. Do remember that Menudo is ] not ] as you've been doing on talk pages. I personally do not participate in the adopt-a-user program, but lots of people do. Good luck and keep editing! Feel free to drop back onto my talk page for any other questions/comments. Somitho 14:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Assistance

I've put an infobox on the Cosmopolitan Girl album you created as part of the WP:ALBUM project. I don't participate in the "Adopt a User" program, but am more than willing to answer any questions you may have or help you out in any way I can. Just drop me a line at my talk page. – Bubba hotep 09:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

Hey, I noticed that you are seeking adoption by an experienced editor. Well, feel free to check out my user page to see if you think I'll be a suitable man for the job. In any case, welcome again to Misplaced Pages and happy editing. The Rambling Man 15:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes please adopt me.--Blue5864 01:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Done, welcome! Let me know, on my talk page, what you want to do and I'll see what I can do to help. All the best, The Rambling Man 10:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:MenudoCDCosmopolitanGirl.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Menudo Triple Threat DVD Cover.jpg

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Discussion on AN/I

Hi Blue5864,

The issue of "that paragraph" has come up on the Administrators' noticeboard. You may wish to give your sources, or a defense of why you think it should stay. WP:BLP is pretty serious stuff. Respectfully, Antandrus (talk) 03:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and please try to remain civil. Even if you disagree with the changes being made by other users (in this case, including more than one administrator), do not call them vandalism willy-nilly, as you did in edit summaries here and here, and in text here and here. Accusing an administrator of vandalism is not generally the done thing without solid evidence. --Dreaded Walrus 03:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I just put in a telephone message to Jimbo's Cell phone and hope to speak with him ASAP. The person who called Mr. McGillis Nutso now thats libel as its a printed word and we know who that person is he was blocked earlier by Alex and he threaten to sue etc etc. We had the Globe article changed to include the Cover and the article with the date of publication etc. The real issue is that Menudo and Sony are being sued by Mr. McGillis and they do not want the truth to be told. Please remember these are sourced documents not fiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue5864 (talk • contribs)

Right. Now while you're waiting for a response from Jimbo, you may be interested in taking part in the discussion regarding this? Dreaded Walrus 03:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 04:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--Blue5864 (talk) 04:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007

Please do not undo other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Menudo (band), or you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. The three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the 3RR. Thank you. Dreaded Walrus 04:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

We are filing a lawsuit against wiki and will summons your IP for conspriacy to libel Mr. McGillis. We have left a message with Jimbo Wales cell phone and if he calls back on Sat than we hope this will get blocked and resolved.--Blue5864 (talk) 04:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

We are PDF all these messages in anticipation of legal action in the Miami Dade County Court

Indefinite block for legal threats

Hi. As per our no legal threats policy, you have been blocked from editing, indefinitely. This is how it works: if you wish to continue editing here and to have the block lifted, you need to retract that legal threat. If you wish to take legal action, you are of course free to do so, but are not permitted to have any part of this, including announcing that it is pending, on-site. This does not mean you cannot ask us to remove defamatory and other legally problematic content, we encourage you to do this, but either you take legal action, off site, or you ask us to attend to the problem internally. The point is, for our own legal protection, you cannot have it both ways: if you choose an internal approach, you leave legal threats and action external to this site (i.e. limited to the pertinent court/s). Choice is yours. Note that I have not specifically reviewed this case. El_C 04:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Three-revert-rule violation

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Menudo (band). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes please tell the other guy to stop changing what was sourced and on wiki for a week until some iddiot threaten to sue wiki and every one caved in--Blue5864 (talk) 04:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That's not my problem. If you continue to add in sources that violate WP:CITE and WP:V, then they will be removed because they violate WP:BLP. Your continued edit warring there and at WP:ANI with content removal is not warranted, and your edits can be better concentrated gaining consensus through discussion, not through tit-for-tat edits. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

This is distracting, Seicer. I'm already attending to this. Please address what I had written above, Blue5864, and otherwise disregard this. El_C 05:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Legal threats at user name Christopher R for calling me "Nutso" its libel--Blue5864 (talk) 05:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Please stop with the legal talk, even here on this page while you are blocked. El_C 05:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

why have you not blocked this guy who started the war read the history from 6pm and on he was blocked and than made legal threats and scared wiki admin. He is the one who called me "nutso" and by real name.--Blue5864 (talk) 05:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Another admin seem to be attending to that, so I haven't looked into it. You best respond to my notice above, concisely. El_C

Legal Threats User Christopher R

This is the text from his talk page. You can see he was blocked and blocked and than threaten to sue and everyone caved in and he call me NUTSO.

December 2007

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Menudo (band). When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Alexfusco5 23:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Please do not delete content from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Menudo (band), without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. Thank you. Please do not delete that info again. The info is sourced and should remain in the article. If you want to remove it please first discuss it on the talk page Alexfusco5 23:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Misplaced Pages, as you did to Menudo (band), you will be blocked from editing. DO NOT remove that info anymore it is sourced information Alexfusco5 23:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Menudo (band). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Alexfusco5 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits to User talk:Alexfusco5 could give editors of Misplaced Pages the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Misplaced Pages itself. Please note that this is strictly prohibited under Misplaced Pages's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a genuine dispute with the Community or its members, please use dispute resolution. Alexfusco5 23:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Legal threats Please, please, please read no legal threats. I was going to block you straight off for the note you just left here. You may discuss any issues you have with content if and only if you retract your threat; if you are not willing to do so, please read the instructions on that page. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked You are blocked until you retract your legal threat. Please read no legal threats. You may edit this page. Issues of content on the article can be resolved on the talk page. You may request that "negative" or "incorrect" information be sourced per our sourcing policies, which should solve the problem. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 23:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I have already removed the legal threat from my talk page Alexfusco5 23:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Listen please, this is very real. I apologize for not knowing the proper way that things are done around here but it is extremely important that this person, Darren McGillis's content not be allowed to remain. This individual is making persoanl attacks which I know are not allowed on your system. If you doubt me, please go to: www.menudo.biz , a website that this individual has built in the last two days with the sole purpose of personal attacks against the two injured parties here, Sony Music Corp and Menudo Entertainment LLC.

Please tell me hopw I should proceed to properly resolve this.

Thank you.

I accept your apology. To properly resolve this issues discuss it on Talk:Menudo (band) Alexfusco5 00:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Sorry, forgot you couldn't edit just add {{unblock}} to you talk page with the above comment. Alexfusco5 00:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, assuming you went to menudo.biz and realized the nutjob that we are up against, how do I proceed to remove his content?

You're unblocked now: thanks for the note. Please go to the article talk page. With controversial content, we require a reliable, published source (see WP:CITE). You can remove things that don't have one, but you're always better off to discuss it on the talk page and make sure everyone understands what you are doing first. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 00:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking me first off. Second, this content is pure speculation, 21 years-old, coming from tabloids. Why does it warrant being in the current section it is placed in as well as being on the site at all. In fact... On your own Misplaced Pages page, under the 199o's heading, third paragraph, is this quote:

"Also in 1991, New York Photographer Bolivar Arellano, was arrested and later convicted in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Arellano was ordered jailed by the San Juan Court until he provided the Judge with proof that he had placed a Half Page advertisement in a San Juan Newspaper stating the accusations he himself made were false. He had made accusations that Menudo members were being sexually abused."

Obviously, you can see that these are old, unfounded allegations that are being posted in a malicious manner.

Also, this quote under the 2000's heading, last paragraph:

"Released 2007, on McGillis Records is the release of Triple Threat DVD/CD Combo . The box set includes the MENUDO film The Making of Dancin Movin Shakin for the first time on DVD. Also included is Volume One of the Music CD "Latin Teen Stars" featuring hit songs by Menudo, ex-menudo members Angelo Garcia and Ruben Gomez, The Cover Girls, Explosion, and Joel. The last CD included in the 3 disc set is Dance Music All Night Long containing dance mixes of the hottest traxs by Menudo and ex-menudo members mixed by the famed American music producers: Bad Boy Bill, Lewis A. Martinee of Expose fame and New Yorks very own Mickey Garcia."

This is nothing more than an advertisement and should also be removed.

Thanks in advance!

Also... Now that we're friends again, this individual will undoubtably try to add that content back in. How can we lock him out of the process? And I tried to edit some info that was incorrect and my account is still blocked. Didn't Antandrus unblock it just now?

I'm sorry, one more thing; at the bottom of the page, under the External Links heading, there is a link: "History of Menudo Gay Sex Scandal Reported in The New York Daily Newspaper" which links to his personal attack webpage, menudo.biz where he goes after the president of Epic Records, Charlie Walk as well as others. Can we also have that removed please?

You're no longer blocked, but the page is protected, due to edit wars from multiple users (see the page log). You are still able to edit the article's talk page, and if you ask on that talk page in future, other users will be able to see your requests easier. Also, the page should be unprotected in less than 24 hours, so after then you should be able to edit it yourself. I'll make the edit you requested. :) --Dreaded Walrus t c 01:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Christopher, I agree with you that the allegations should be removed. The only reliable source I see referenced on the page is a single mention in the NY Times. All the other things appear to be posts on a personal website.

There is a thread about this now on the Administrators' Noticeboard here. Please feel free to contribute. I believe you have a legitimate case; unfounded, unsourced allegations are non-compliant with our strict policy on biographies of living persons, and we take this stuff seriously. All you have to do is state your case calmly and respectfully and there will be plenty of sensible people to help. Best regards, Antandrus (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have saved this page and forwarded it to Mr. McGillis who is the owner of www.mcgillismusic.com he has informed me that he will be calling Mr. Jimbo Wales who he has spoken with over the past year on other issues. Chris you have libeled Mr. McGillis with your comment above by calling him a "nut job" all the articles are sourced stories and you will lose this argument these are facts not fiction. If the following adminstrators will allow this with Alex above seeing what you are doing as trying to delete yes scandal but sourced info is wrong. this is not a fan site it is PDF documents of ORIGINAL stories. --Blue5864 (talk) 02:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Christopher_R"ViewsUser page Discussion Edit this page + History Move Watch Personal toolsBlue5864 My talk My preferences My watchlist My contributions Log out Navigation

--Blue5864 (talk) 05:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Umm... do you think you would mind if I removed all that copy and paste, and just linked to User talk:Christopher R instead? That's his talk page... it's just a lot easier to read, and stops this page being added to requests for unblock, and so on. That way everyone can read his talk page for themselves. I thought it would be kind to ask your permission first.. --Dreaded Walrus 05:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Your unblock request is blank, so it will be declined. For my part, I don't have the time to review text of such length. Try to summarize it. El_C 05:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what's confusing about that block of text. That wasn't an unblock request on the part of Blue5864, that was just a copy+paste of the entirety of User talk:Christopher R. He wanted you to look at the comments that Christoper R had made, I assume, and just pasted everything here. (Hence why I asked him if I could remove it all and just link to the relevant page, in my comment just above yours). Dreaded Walrus 05:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Menudo

Nobody is bullying me over anything. The sources you are providing are not reliable sources. Please don't bother spamming any more users with attempts at trying to garner support, just source your edits. Corvus cornix_talk 05:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales

I just sent the following E-mail to Jimbo:

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:35:34 -0800 (PST) From: "World Wide Entertainment Co" <mcgillismusic@yahoo.com> Subject: Menudo and Darrin McGillis To: jwales@wikia.com

Jimbo:

How are you I hope well. My company has maintained a Wiki account of Blue5864 for sometime now and enjoyed updateing info on your site. Recently with the New Menudo coming out we created a web site www.menudo.biz to load sourced documents regards Menudo's drug and gay sex scandal and post in PDF the original NY Daily News stories and letters from Menudo parents to the Department of Justice complaining of Gay sex and drugs in the group with the minors.

For several days the article in the wiki Menudo page had a separate paragraph dedicated to the sourced info and details of the Menudo Sex and Drug scandal as reported in the Newspapers including a NY Times link.

The New record label for Menudo (I was the former label) was upset at the drug and sex scandal is being reported with PDF links to the original sourced documents. At first yesterday your admin block this User Name: Christopher R but after he made legal threats your guys caved in and went after me. I was blocked for undoing the deleting that your admin at first (before the legal threats) said was sourced and should stay up. Well low n behold I am blocked for threaten legal action against this user for calling me "Nutso" I know who he is and I may take legal action against him outside of wiki.

At the moment I am in litigation with Menudo's current record label for righst to Menudo that I own etc etc etc. So we are fighting legally, however that fight should not have any thing to do with Wiki and any sourced info should be allowed to stay on your Menudo page.

Please contact me today.

Darrin McGillis--Blue5864 (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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