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An invitation...

Offtopic, but...

Looking at who's asking questions about Misplaced Pages in the UK Parliament is quite interesting. Conservative MP Stephen O'Brien seems to be going around every government department asking about what they've edited. --h2g2bob (talk) 22:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

And the answers range from too expensive to find out to a complete log with diffs. BTW there is a little button on each page were you can vote if the answer was satisfactory. Agathoclea (talk) 08:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thank you

Hi Jimbo,

It's been about four weeks since you thanked those of us who honestly questioned you. Can you give us an indication on when you might be responding to the questions? These things do need to be sorted out. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 06:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you email me with a specific question or set of questions, and if the questions are reasonable I can answer them either privately or publicly depending on what is most appropriate.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jimbo. Yes, that works for me, and I have emailed you. I hope you will answer as much as possible on-wiki regarding your role in shaping Misplaced Pages article content. I fully appreciate that there is a need for privacy as well. You could have emailed me. Take care, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

Do you like Uncyclopedia? Reply here, or there. Ugh, it's the same. --RoryReloaded (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I like Uncyclopedia very much.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:37, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Right... Well, I want to tell you about Scarian. Enigma and I have proved that he has been abusing his admin tools AND using sockpuppets. Oh, and he's been blocking people just because he doesn't like them. I've reported it on ANI. See for yourself. On his talk page. RoryReloaded (talk) 21:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Menudo problems again Jim...

Hi Jim,

As I'm not all that well versed on Wiki etiquette, my first entry into this particular incident will be made directly to you. Unfortunately, someone has begun vandalizing the Menudo page again. Before I try to undo any of the damage, I wanted to make contact with you prior to see how best to go about it. There is a lot of small changes that I can live with however, saying that our boy Emmannuel is, and I quote "An out and proud homosexual" is a complete fabrication. This kid is 16 years old and does not need this negativity in his life as he is just starting his career and following his dream.

This new addition needs to be removed ASAP:

"Another thing separating Emmanuel from his groupmates is that he's an out and proud Homosexual. Even still, he occasionally deals with the setbacks of being both Gay and Latin. "I don't discuss my love life too often, because it is kinda shunned in the Latino community. Don't mistake, I'm very proud of whom I am in all aspects, but I'd be lying to say that I sometimes play it safe to protect what privacy I have.

It was reported that Emmanuel may have been involved with a fellow cast member of the "Making Menudo" series. No word on the same of the other man, but it's almost certain it's what lead to the other contestant being cut."

Please advise me how to best fix this situation.

Thanks Christopher_R (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the section mentioned above, which was added by an anon; there was a source provided, but a number of search permutations turned up nothing at all to back up the claim. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank so much! Christopher_R (talk) 20:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

MfD of disclaimer at Modernista!

Jimbo,

I assume you're aware, but just in case: the template you proposed be added to the Modernista! article is at MfD: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Modernista!/Notice. You may wish to participate. --barneca (talk) 20:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

There appears to be deep confusion about the purpose and status of the template. NPOV is not the issue some people seem to think it is, and indeed, I can hardly understand what they are claiming. And this has nothing to do with the Foundation at this point. This has to do with maintaining the integrity of our work.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that I could make it only show up when the page is actually called from Modernista's frame, as a compromise that might be more palatable to everyone... would this be acceptable to you? I think one of the issues that people have is the fact that there's a big ugly notice on the article even when the reader is NOT seeing it via modernista's homepage. --Random832 (contribs) 02:32, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would make perfect sense. A better solution would be framebreaking, because then there is no need for a notice at all.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Why not just implement something globally across *.wikipedia.org to break frames? NPOV would be perfectly safe then, and it would be handled on a corporate level. It seems like the community will overrule any attempts at a templated solution. Lawrence § t/e 14:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

By "NPOV", I think people mean roughly "Using the encyclopedia article as a weapon in a dispute with the company is not allowed". Hard to argue with that. I see the point about the hotlinking, but in my view, the trademarkish claims (my wording) are on much weaker ground. I'm not a lawyer, but I suggest with the appropriate disclaimers they'd have a decent fair-use defense there (n.b. this comment is not in my capacity as a journalist, but just from my interest in net issues ). -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 07:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo, as a strong supporter of copyleft, this is frankly disturbing. "Modernista!" is in no way violating copyright law or attempting to sponge off of Misplaced Pages's success, because their script indiscriminately displays the page it was linked from and at the top, it contains the message, "You are viewing Modernista! through the eyes of the Web. The menu on the left is our homepage. Everything behind it is beyond our control." (bold added for emphasis)

If some Misplaced Pages administrators aren't capable of reading that, we aren't obligated to clarify it for them in big, bold letters on Misplaced Pages.

A short disclaimer next to the link would be enough to clarify things, though. Threatening Modernista seems to be abuse of copyright law and the disclaimer is ugly. If you think you have a case, though, I suggest issuing a DMCA for the lulz, because this is really quite silly. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The notice has been deleted... Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Modernista!/Notice. Lawrence § t/e 23:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Modernista needs our best editors on board (not necessarily our best admins). As someone who follows your edit contributions, keep up the good work. Your talk page edits were far more valuable than any notice. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

For clarity

Jimbo, you were mentioned by Sylviecyn, Jossi and myself in this ArbCom talk page discussion: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat/Proposed decision#My conclusions about this Misplaced Pages arbitration. --Francis Schonken (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

German Misplaced Pages is wicked

As I'm 100% sure you are fully aware of the malbehaviour of many German Admins and some regular user that are heavily associated with these Admins.

The last issue I encountered: I looked up some German female cook on de.wikipedia and added on the discussion-page one comment to a topic with 2 many months old comments. The first comment pointed out, that unlike as mentioned in the article this cook not only has joined a campaign for animal protection and right upbringing, but at the same time in one episide of a TV-series she was responsible for visited and presented a farm where geese were breeded for later use for Foie Gras: This clearly is in stark contrast to pretend to act for animal protection.

The first commenter unsurprisingly asked that either the article should be enhanced with more information, or that the part with her said action for animal protection should be removed. The second comment was a very unfriendly answer to the first comment.

The discussion page was last changed at the start of January 2008 when I encountered that page. I basically wrote that I support the first commenter, and why I support him from point of a general view.

Not even a day later some USER removed the whole 3 comments about this topic from the discussion page, saying that the discussion page would be no forum.

After I put the comments back, he again removed it. I put the comments back. THEN my IP was blocked under false explanations: Beside others reasons the admin said that I would have started an EDIT-WAR. Edit wars per definition page on the de.wikipedia are only in regard for articles, not for discussion pages. And the admin also brought forward, that I would have used the discussion page as forum.

Some minutes later the USER removed the comments again.

There are some obvious conclusions from that. And these conclusion are for sure not new for you, Mr. Wales:

In the German wikipedia-section it's common usage from admins and user who are craving for recognition to break rules. They block other people on ground of false pretendings. They start insulting and when being answered in the same way pretend that the insulted other Misplaced Pages user is breaking rules. They change the contents of articles and discussion sites though it's impossible they could have read the text, as it is obvious when a formerly not involed user deletes some NEW text from another user where the text is only SECONDS old!

And beside many more bad things the occur on the German wikipedia-section, the by far worst, and for US citizens for sure most unthinkable breaking of any wikipedia-rule: THEY REGULARLY ALTER AND DELETE OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ON DISCUSSION-PAGES!

It's hard to believe, that any US citizen, you being one, could stand by and allow the world to bring into relation your name and personality with what happens over in the German wikipedia.

But maybe you only care about the buck be to made anymore.

P.S. There are many mistakes I tried to correct in articles on the German wikipedia. And always the same as described above happened. Coincidene? Surely not! For anyone with 2 gramm brain or more it's obvious that more likely the wikipedia is heavily manipulated. Do you really think that only in politics and economy there are people who manipulte to gain personal advantaged? Do you really think it's not the same in sport, the "highest ethical thing on this world"? Do you really think, that the real amount of manipulation is not much higher on wikipedia in fact, with everyone being able to act anonymously?

Or do you just don't want to think about it in general?

One of the things I tried to correct was even admitted to rely on publications from 1 (one) single source from a lobby website. (The website itself said very very clearly, that it only wants to work for it's members, and that most costefficient in regards to the members' fees.)

It's a very sad place, the German wikipedia nowadays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.106.16 (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

knight of Misplaced Pages

I hereby dub thee a knight of Misplaced Pages, with all the privileges and responsibilities given therein. --69.86.173.19 (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

pedophile activism on Misplaced Pages

I noticed on AfD that there was an article called "List of films portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents." Then I noticed that there was an article called "List of *books* portaying sexual attraction to children or adolescents." The problem with the titles of these lists is that they are calling child sexual abuse "sexual attraction to children or adolescents." (Look at the lists, they clearly list sexual abuse.) Calling sexual abuse of children "sexual attraction to children" is clearly an extreme fringe definition of child sexual abuse from the pedophile point of view. It appears that there are five of these disturbingly titled lists, and that they used to all be titled "Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in <fill in the blank>." When and why then titles were all changed to reflect an extreme fringe pedophile activist point of view is not clear to me. I am also disturbed that the stated purpose of the Wiki Pedophile Article Watch Project is "Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize and ensure veracity and freedom from bias of information in articles involving pedophilia, child sexuality, and related issues," but that no one on this project has noted the extreme POV problem in the renaming/redefining of these articles to an extreme pro-pedophile fringe stance. I also do not understand why "pro-pedophile activism" is included in "Other resources" on the Project: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch#Other_resources I thought this was not the place for activism.

former titles of lists, currently how they are titled on Pedophilia Article Watch:

Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in fiction (boys) Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in fiction (girls) Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in films Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in songs Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in the theatre

Active link to one of the articles from the project site, so you can see that it goes to "List of songs portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents":

http://en.wikipedia.org/Pedophilia_and_child_sexual_abuse_in_songs

Link to Project: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch

-PetraSchelm (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)