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	You are right, what Kenneth Zucker does is not good enough to be termed controversial. He is supported by his close associates and NARTH for whom he does fundraising (See http://www.narth.com/menus/future.html) The rest of the world is opposed. There is not enough support to rise to the level of controversy. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		You are right, what Kenneth Zucker does is not good enough to be termed controversial. He is supported by his close associates and NARTH for whom he does fundraising (See http://www.narth.com/menus/future.html) The rest of the world is opposed. There is not enough support to rise to the level of controversy. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Zucker has absolutely NO association with NARTH and most certainly has ~~NEVER~~ done fund-raising for them. NARTH has a long history of taking quotes out of context in order to make it look like various sexologists support various NARTH ideologies. In fact, there is an article about it in this month's newsletter for GLBT psychologists in the American ~~Psychologist~~ Association: http://www.apadivision44.org/publications/2008summer.pdf (page 11). Such rumors are spread farther by websites such as Andrea James' (www.tsroadmap.com), which is part of why I believe it is inappropriate for her to be editing Zucker's bio page.<br/>		Zucker has absolutely ''no'' association with NARTH and most certainly has ''never'' done fund-raising for them. NARTH has a long history of taking quotes out of context in order to make it look like various sexologists support various NARTH ideologies. In fact, there is an article about it in this month's newsletter for GLBT psychologists in the American Psychological Association: http://www.apadivision44.org/publications/2008summer.pdf (page 11). Such rumors are spread farther by websites such as Andrea James' (www.tsroadmap.com), which is part of why I believe it is inappropriate for her to be editing Zucker's bio page.<br/>
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Inappropriateness of Jokestress' creation of Zucker page.

I am a colleague of Kenneth Zucker, and I am concerned that Jokestress/Andrea James has written a biographical page on Zucker. Jokestress/Andrea James has previously written the follwing letter to CAMH regarding Zucker (and others), thus becoming an actor in the events. Despite the rights she has to express her opinions, it does not seem appropriate for her to be involved in writing the BLP's of the people once she had involved herself in their lives, such as by contacting their employers.

http://www.tsroadmap.com/notes/index.php/site/comments/letter_to_consultant_brought_in_to_clean_up_camh_clarke_institute/ —MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I did not create this page (User:Cstaffa did on 17 June); I did expand it to present a fuller summation of Zucker's career based on reliable sources. I am happy to discuss any of the content if there is a concern. I would note that I have also written many biographies about people profiled on Quackwatch (I am a Quackwatch affiliate) and worked hard to maintain WP:NPOV in those cases as well. Jokestress (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Controversy! Controversy!!

You know, I really think Misplaced Pages articles do not need to use the word 'controversial' quite so much, and not in such prominent positions. An article does not have to start with, 'Kenneth J. Zucker is an American-Canadian psychologist and sexologist best known for his controversial work on gender identity disorder in children.' Give us a break! Probably pretty much everything in sexology is controversial in one way or another; introduce the controversy bit later on, not right in the introduction. Skoojal (talk) 02:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right about omitting the word from the introduction. But also, I would not say that his "work" is well-known, but rather his "approach to treatment". Cstaffa (talk) 02:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right, what Kenneth Zucker does is not good enough to be termed controversial. He is supported by his close associates and NARTH for whom he does fundraising (See http://www.narth.com/menus/future.html) The rest of the world is opposed. There is not enough support to rise to the level of controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.216.193 (talk) 06:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Zucker has absolutely no association with NARTH and most certainly has never done fund-raising for them. NARTH has a long history of taking quotes out of context in order to make it look like various sexologists support various NARTH ideologies. In fact, there is an article about it in this month's newsletter for GLBT psychologists in the American Psychological Association: http://www.apadivision44.org/publications/2008summer.pdf (page 11). Such rumors are spread farther by websites such as Andrea James' (www.tsroadmap.com), which is part of why I believe it is inappropriate for her to be editing Zucker's bio page.
—MarionTheLibrarian (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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