Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license.
Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat.
We can research this topic together.
:::: --goes off to take nap; clearly things are over her head 2nite.---] 23:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: --goes off to take nap; clearly things are over her head 2nite.---] 23:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::You know what, I really do not like swearing, and I really '''''do not''''' like swearing when typed on Misplaced Pages, but... Fuck. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 23:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::You know what, I really do not like swearing, and I really '''''do not''''' like swearing when typed on Misplaced Pages, but... Fuck. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">] : ] </span></small> 23:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Thanks you two. Pedro, I swear a lot, both IRL, and once in a while, when I really feel strongly, on-wiki. My apologies if my fuckisms here and there have ever bothered you. And Gladys, you're ready. ]. Turn it to a bluelink, transclude it onto RFA (instructions are ]) I'll add a strong support immediately. You are extremely clueful and passionate, you right articles, you know how to protect them, and you have wonderful communication skillz. And you use ALLCAPS appropriately :-). You should've run ''months'' ago. ] <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ǀ</span> ] 14:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
== Double header ==
== Double header ==
Revision as of 14:54, 29 September 2008
User talk:Keeper76 a.k.a. WP:AN/K
Wait! Are you here because your article was speedy deleted? Click here before leaving a message to find out why.
This is Keeper76's talk page, where you can send them messages and comments.
Instructions for using the Keeper-pedia/WikiKeeper
as written by TCari & friends
Embrace the edit conflict, for happen it will.
Leaving a comment for Keeper doesn't mean that it will be Keeper who answers it, although he'll try. See #1. Make new friends you will.
Save the drama for your mama. Everyone (mostly) gets along here.
If American, you must be a baseball fan. Doesn't matter which team(s) as it's almost guaranteed someone will razz you on it. May apply for all sports
If you have edited here at least 10 times, you are a talk page stalker. Especially if you've edited here at least 10 times responding to another stalker instead of to Keeper.
If you've edited here at least 100 times, you'll likely need a psychiatrist soon, or alcohol, or an alcoholic pshychiatrist, or....
Be prepared for unexpected topic changes. "Has anyone noticed that only on this page can you begin talking about creating a Geo list and then start talking about....lets see- we have gas prices, ancestry, pants, pant sizes, mean names, weight, metabolism, obesity, and all the rest? Wow!! I would say more, but I'm about to die of laughter." --Dusti
It's just one game. But never underestimate the ability of the Sox to choke in the stretch, as they have in several recent years. They tried to in 2005, also, but that year they were too good not to win. Baseball Bugs18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
The Pales have 2 left in minnie, then host Cleveland for 3. The Indians ain't know slouches, they still wanna win. The Twins host the Royals, who I don't believe have one a game at the metrodome in several years (certainly haven't won a series). If Minnie sweeps the pales this week, its over. We will have a half game lead on only need to win 2 against KC. Callin it. Keeper ǀ 7618:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Attendance was a little light. 35 grand give or take. I'd have thought a sell-out, or close. I mean it's not like everyone is holding their breath for the Vikings or the U going to the Rose Bowl. OrangeMarlin19:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Not bad attendance for a weeknight. Better than the 6 or so fans that show up on a weekend marlins game. And the U is 4-0, playing Ohio State, who are weaker than they think. Don't be too shocked if there is an upset in the making. I'm not a gopher fan though, I follow the Fighting Illini for basketball/football, go figure. Hockey isn't a sport, its just a bunch of Canadians and eastern european white guys skating around with sticks hitting each other. Keeper ǀ 7619:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
"...with sticks hitting each other." Yep. So how is that not a sport? >:) Better watch out for the Gophers this year, though. They're 4-0 against the high school teams this year, vs. 1-3 last year. They're ready for a big year in the not-so-Big-Ten. Baseball Bugs19:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Let's just say the Pac-10 and Big-10 are bit weak this year. Maybe Notre Dame can join up to make it worse. And I'm hereby ignoring all Marlins attendance comments from you know who. OrangeMarlin21:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
No worries. I'm hereby ignoring all comments from Marlins fans as well. As far as I can tell, I only have to ignore you, and potentially five others...Keeper ǀ 7621:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Did you say something? I'll be posting inning by inning updates here on the Twins/Palehose scores. Because you so much want to record the game and skip the endless commercials about snow shovels, snow blowers, snowshoes, and snow boots.OrangeMarlin22:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
There's not really a lot of ads about winter stuff; just stuff about the Twins, of course, and local merchants like the Warners-Stellian appliance store ("I feel free ... ba-ba-ba, ba-ba", etc.) and for Second Wind exercise equipment, featuring a guy (the owner) who looks like he could use it. In my favorite Twins ad this year, there are 3 former players dressed like asian monks - Killebrew, someone else, and in front is Tony Oliva. Delmon Young, the "apprentice", comes to them asking for the secret to hitting. Oliva simply says (imagine Hispanic accent here): "See ball. Hit ball." Baseball Bugs04:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Twins win as Sox continue annual El Foldo. Season-breaker tomorrow night. They had 40,000 there tonight. With the chance to move into first place, they might even fill the place tomorrow. Baseball Bugs04:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Straw Poll
Who thinks that the Twins can/will pull it out? (or look at it as "Who thinks that the Sox can/will pull defeat from the jaws of victory? (7/0/2)
Nobody likes a loser. :-) BTW, separate topic, your signature is ridiculously long in the edit window. Not that mine is 8 letters or anything, but you should consider shortening that up. Keeper ǀ 7619:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Not that I like the Sox—remember, I'm a Indian fan. (And Brewers, if only for CC being there!)
Not even close, the Twins will do it at home, in the ugliest dome ever...scares the crap out of opponents. But honest, I don't care all that much. I'm pulling for the Rays. OrangeMarlin 06:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC) --> Which raises the burning question: Who is the team of destiny this year? Is it the Cubs? Will another Florida team do the Cubs (or someone else) in? Is it the Angels, who are ignored by everyone east of the Sierras? Or is it one of the dark horses? Baseball Bugs06:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I've been going back and forth on this, and have decided to pull for the twins. Heh. Go Twins!!! (and if they win OM, they get tampa first. We just split a series with a healthy tampa on their turf this weekend.....beware!) Keeper ǀ 7614:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Now that the Red Sox are safely in, I can resume rooting for the Twins (well, not so much rooting for the Twins as against the White Sox, but the result is the same). --barneca (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The redsox are far from "safe". They are the wildcard, and will play the Angels. How have they fared against the angels this year? (*cough* (1-8). Keeper ǀ 7617:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
First, being a wildcard counts as being "in", AFAIC, so they are too "safely in". Second, we are currently the wildcard, but I expect us to pull it off right at the end (you know how that spark of hope feels). And third, anything can happen in a best of 5 series. I'd love to see an upset; I like the Sox OK, but my true team is the *mumble mumble indistinct sigh try to distract attention Mariners mumble some more, sigh some more, first 100 losses don't count mumble mumble*, and I want to see the Angels lose almost as much as I want to see the Red Sox win. We hates them; more than the White Sox, not as much as the Yankees, but close. As you can tell, my baseball allegiances are driven more by irrational hatred of some teams than by love of others. --barneca (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
One of my favorite Twins games was against the yankees, and the crowd chanting the (slightly offensive) EEE-CHEE-ROW!!! whenever Hideki Matsui was in the outfield or up to bat. So shameful, so funny. I wish I could have back a few of those Twins/Mariners games this year, the submarines had our number it seems. Keeper ǀ 7618:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Midwesterners typically want all coastal teams to fail. But as a lifelong Cubs fan, no team approaches the Mets for hatred. Not even the Yankees. 1969 lives forever in our vengeful hearts. (Hopefully, Wknight94 will understand.) Baseball Bugs18:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm often fascinated by the reasons people choose to love/hate particular teams. I mean, rooting for your hometown team is obvious, or your alma mater, but people develop these weird, complicated, gloriously inconsistent patterns where they have an opinion on almost every team, but with a different rationale for each one. I moved around a lot as a kid, so mine are even more complicated than maybe others. Where you were born, where you grew up, where you lived when you started caring about baseball, who your parents rooted for, what team beat your favorite team 39 years ago, who your ex-finacee liked, what college your graduate school roommate went to for their undergrad, who was on TV most of the time, whether you like underdogs or not, who has ugly uniforms, who traded for/away your favorite player, who your divison rivals are, who the rivals to the team your Dad hated because they were rivals of the team that he attached himself to when he went to college... It's cool. --barneca (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
A lot of it is situational, like if your team doesn't make the playoffs, or loses early. Like in 2002, I rooted for the Angels, because although the Angels smoked the Twins, I hated Barry Bonds, so I wanted his team to lose. If you think about, the owners don't care, as long as you're rooting for somebody. Owners love rivalries. Rivalries bring money in. Maybe you've heard the story about Bill Veeck and the St. Paul Saints of the 1940s or so? Baseball Bugs21:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I've never followed the Saints, although I can say I've been to a couple of Duluth Dukes games, including one where Darryl Strawberry was killing the ball for the Saints in one of his myriad attempts at a comeback...Keeper ǀ 7620:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
That's the modern Saints, and yes, much of Strawberry's career was a comeback attempt. In the heyday of the American Association (20th century) there were minor league clubs in both Minneapolis (the Millers) and St. Paul (the Saints) and also Milwaukee (the Brewers). Very imaginative nicknames. Anyway, Bill Veeck owned the Brewers, late 1930s or so. The St. Paul owner contacted Veeck and told him he was cash-strapped and might miss his payroll, and was there anything he could do. Just before the Brewers next visit to St. Paul, Veeck got on a Twin Cities radio station and talked about what a lousy city St. Paul was and what a lousy team they had. Lo and behold, Lexington Park had standing room only for the Milwaukee series, and the St. Paul owner was able to meet his payroll. And Veeck wasn't being entirely selfless, as the next time the Saints were in Milwaukee, Borchert Field was also SRO. That's what "rivalries" are about. :) Baseball Bugs20:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yah - but us Twins fans tend to keep a low profile, dontcha know. But you betcha we're gonna win that Series again. :) Kelly19:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I've been accused of a lot of things in my time on wiki, "keeping a low profile" certainly isn't one of them, eh? Are you still a native? Northburbs me-self. Keeper ǀ 7619:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Grew up in east-river South Dakota...no teams of our own, so we were all Twins/Vikes/North Stars/Gophers fans by default. (I do have family in Minnetonka and get through there to visit every once in a while.) I left there when I enlisted but my heart will always remain there. :) Oh, just to show my age, I don't think the Vikings have been the same since Fran retired. Kelly19:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
single doubleTRIPLE e/c)Ummm who might get awfully lucky that the Sox collapsed? That'd be the Twins. Best team? Not a chance. Mostly luck? Yep! the_ed1719:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Yikes! I had tickets to that game, gave em up about a week prior. I would have been driving south from the northburbs to the dome at around 6 pm. I still get shivers. Keeper ǀ 7619:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I left the restaurant to walk to the dome at 6:00; thought the sirens on the walk over were for a fire. Not so much. Glad I live west. Эlcobbolatalk19:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Boooo Twins/Love Sox
No One Cares 'Cause the Yanks Ought to Be in Instead
Maybe they should be forced to stay in the old Stadium until they win the Series again, so The House that Ruth Built can go out with a winner. Baseball Bugs21:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Support going out on one hell of a high note. 16 games above .500 is like Arod's stats. Need context. Still one hell of a September. Honestly, to me, the season ended Sunday. Very little now could top it. TravellingCari22:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's been 20 years since the Gibson "I don't believe what I just saw!" Series - 20 years since the Dodgers last won it. And that's just what scares me. Baseball Bugs08:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure! What topic are we banning them from? Although, Tcari, a lifer-yank, has decided to cheer for the Twins, so she can stay. Seriously, who else would you cheer for if not for who would be the most underrated underdog in the playoffs? the rays don't count... Keeper ǀ 7618:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I haven't announced anything yet. I'm not RTV-ing, I'm not desysopping my account, and I'll poke my head in once and awhile, there's just some real life stuff that is seriously gonna get in the way of Wiki-editing. (better for me and Misplaced Pages I surmise)....Keeper ǀ 7621:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL! I'm not scrambling my password or anything, or desysopping for that matter, just required to go away by RL events. I wish it weren't true, but it is. I'll be around tomorrow, a bit on Saturday, I'll be gnoming around maybe monday and tuesday of next week, then "poof!". No more keeper....Keeper ǀ 7621:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Semi -serious. When you first started reading or editing (forget which it was) when your bridge went boom, did you ever think you'd become an exyclopedia in and of yourself? TravellingCari22:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
OM, you'll never be an admin. You have been here too long and gotten dirty on too many articles, and have earned too many (powerful, right or wrong) enemies. And, frankly, you are better off. Enjoy editing, and dear god, enjoy not being an admin. Admins are burn-out city. (Malleus, are you reading this?). To TCari, I've been very reflective lately about my "journey" on wiki. Egads, no, I never ever saw myself contributing nearly as much as I have in the last year. I came to Misplaced Pages as a resource (who didn't?), and was incredibly impressed with the thorough and accurate "report" of what was happening in my backyard. I was blown away, and I had to add my two pence here and there. I think, ironically, my first posts were baseball related, something with Barry Bonds, some stuff added to the Torii Hunter article. I'm totally hooked, and if I had my way, I'd stay here. Misplaced Pages is a profoundly successful project, and as with every success story online, it has it's heartburn and heartache and detractors and naysayers. This is a successful project. A work in progress yes, but undeniably a world changing one. Misplaced Pages is not going away, it will not die, it will survive. I'll be cheering for it, and its editors, from a distance, from the sidelines, starting next week. (Maybe one or two posts, total, per week, but nothing substantial). Keeper ǀ 7600:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
← I hope you're leaving for good reasons Keeper, like you're going to be too busy making loads of money to support your family to be bothered about this web site. Whatever, be lucky. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Everyone needs luck. I was lucky in not becoming an admin, as you were suggesting above. But if you won't let me wish you luck, then at least let me wish to be well. I know how ferociously expensive medical bills can be in the States. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't need luck. I'm anti-luck. Luck is for losers and Wisconsinites. I don't gamble, I don't buy lottery tickets. Luck is poor man's faith. I have skill, which trumps luck. I will however, accept your "wish for being well". I hope I'm well, and will continue to be so. I'm not disappearing altogether, just disappearing from any substantial contributions here. I'll be lurking I'm sure, when I can. And seriously, when have any of my contribs ever been substantial anyway? I'm a myspacer, and proud of it. I helped a few editors along the way, but show me even one article that looks better because of my efforts, and I'll give you a pound/dollar. Keeper ǀ 7601:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, I suspect you're just fishing for compliments like always, but looking here, I can name Clay Aiken, University of Toronto, ROSI, Bohater, Ryan Miller (musician)... all are "better" than they were before you touched them. Minor edits to lots of articles, admin actions like protecting and blocking, and patiently explaining deletion policy to newbies, and deleting vanicruftisment, all make the encyclopedia better. You haven't saved the world or anything, but you should be proud of your contributions; they most certianly are not insubstantial. --barneca (talk) 01:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Shit. I owe Barneca, like, 5 bucks. Dammit. You aren't supposed to look at my contribs, unless you sort them by "User talk". Keeper ǀ 7601:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't sell yourself short: the Keeperpedia wouldn't exist without you. Sure we helped build it, but you gave us a home. On a ligther topic. Bugs! What happened to your boys? Ugh. I was rooting for them. TravellingCari02:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, I wish you all the best with you new gig. Your page (as you well know) has always been one of my favorite places here in Wiki land. I think that's true for many of your TPSers. People like your traditional values :) and folksy Minn. ways (think the film Fargo - filmed in Minn). I'm sure we'll be in touch - but will miss your lightning-fast responses to my calculatingly annoying posts. Be well. Kek 72.92.117.232 (talk) 12:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, as a going away present, I can giftwrap Sam and have him sent to you via Priority Mail (though getting him into the mailbox might be a bit tricky). So can I use “Keeper76, c/o Minnesota Central Post Office” as a mailing address? :) Ecoleetage (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Keeps, I'll miss not having you around. Partly it's because you're a great voice of reason and partly it's because I guess I thought you'd always be around to tell me if I start going rogue off the rails. Besides, who will I blame for taking the King's Shilling now? Anyway, I wish you all the best for you and yours, both now and in the future. And should you hever happen to venture to old Blighty, drop me a note and I'll do my best to introduce you to our range of beers. Take care, Gazimoff15:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
You're one of the good guys Gaz, and I wouldn't dare visit the Queen's land without hooking up with the locals to get the real beer. Although there might be a language barrier....Keeper ǀ 7615:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, I've only had a few days to enjoy Keeperpedia....and I've found it to be quite entertaining. Oh, I'm having a bad day...so I come here, laugh my heart out and suddenly, the day is no longer bad. =) Thanks for the memories, and I hope that your RL events aren't too serious...make sure that you come back to us eventually! —the_ed17— 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Lol, no you're not. And surrrre "auto-operational"...whatever. What are we gonna do w/o your stupid, smart-alecky comments? I mean, there's always Sam, but that's not the same. =) —the_ed17— 16:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
If you must go, let mine be the first signature on the "best wishes on your departure" card.
At the very least, I do hope you'll pay us the occasional visit? It's unfair on Lara to make her shoulder alone the burden of keeping my talkpage longer than Jimbo's and Abd's combined. – iridescent16:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL, great pic. I'll poke my head in once and a while. (you are free to decide whatever level of inuendo I was intending with that last sentence...) Keeper ǀ 7616:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
DUDE! I'm seriously going to miss you. Consider stopping by my talk page anytime. And make sure you leave a committed identity for when you forget your password (I know you too well :)) MBisanz19:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to miss me too! :-). If I forget my password (12345), I have bigger problems than whether I'll have time for wikipedia.....Keeper ǀ 7613:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Keep,
Looks like I'll be offline when you do your wiki swan song. I suspect WP:AN/K will continue in your absence, and I suspect you won't be able to stay away as much as you want to, so I'll just say "see you around here, albeit less frequently". Cheers. --barneca (talk) 22:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Impressive sweep. They now have to take the Royals, a difficult prospect!!!! Well, if it's an LA Minnesota World Series, I'm going to have another case deja vu. That's my earliest memories of baseball. Sandy Koufax. Maury Wills. Willie Davis. Don Drysdale. John Roseboro. I won't recognize a single Dodger except Nomar and Manny--and SG will tell us that that's the reason the Dodgers are in. OrangeMarlin06:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
By my count, the Twins are 11-4 against KC this year, while the Sox are 10-5 against Cleveland. Looking forward to that "bonus baseball" on Monday and Tuesday. Dodgers and Twins, eh? It could happen. A chance for some revenge, 43 years later. Baseball Bugs06:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
God, that was a fun game last night. Down 6-1 in the 4th, knocked my starter out (literally, hit by ball). I told my wife, "we're winning this, just watch", and I willed it to happen, knowing what my talkpage here would look like if they didn't pull it off, lol...Twins/Dodgers, been calling it since late august, when neither team was even being talked about as a wildcard... Keeper ǀ 7614:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Bah!!! First you say late July. Then you say late August. Your diff says early September. Filing an ANI for creative historical writing. OrangeMarlin17:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
It's all in the spin. I don't recollect where I said Dodgers, but I did say dodgers, somewhere on this wikipedia, in July. Or my name's not Keeper! (ps, my name's not really Keeper)... Keeper ǀ 7618:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
He lies. LIES I tell ya. His name is Keeper T. BigCheese. He told me I was trying to out him so I must be right. It's in the archives somewhere. TravellingCari19:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I think they'll take the division. Anyway, now there's a new oppose rationale at RfAs. "User seems too perfect." Hehe. Enigma19:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Zing! So true, so true...but srsly OM, do you really want to start talking about potential oppose rationales? heh....Keeper ǀ 7613:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Your sense of humor is lacking these days. The doctor suggests two Leinies and call me in the morning. :) If I were to ever run, the opposes would be classic. I mean, it would be worth it for the drama and humor value. So Misplaced Pages gets humor, drama, political intrigue and some pretty good articles. Citizenpedia gets....bad articles? OrangeMarlin19:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Ummm since when is this "...extremely rough in nature with deadly violent incidents considered not worth more than a moment's attention by the clientèle" ???? —the_ed17— 23:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So true. Let me show my age here abit. I do not like Star Wars, and did not enjoy the "first three" when they were in theaters. Overrated. I've never bothered to watch the "Second Three", seeing as the reviews (and everyone that stood in line to watch them) said they were sub-standard to the quality of the first three. I didn't like the first three, making my decision much easier... Keeper ǀ 7613:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
As long as I'm losing friends, I've never "got into" star trek either. Although I've seen enough of it to get the humor in Galaxy Quest, which is a terrifically quirky/funny little movie that doesn't get a lot of respect (except from the Star Trek actors, ironically)...Keeper ǀ 7615:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
You won't lose friends for telling me that you didn't like star trek. I was...um...a fanatic until I was about 15. And then, for some reason, it just stopped being interesting to me. The dialogue was creaky, the plotlines were morality plays and the technology was just a word salad or a deus ex machina. I've come back a bit to the point where I can watch 1-2 episodes and see them for what they were (television), but I'm no longer a great fan. Galaxy Quest, on the other hand, was brilliant. Every bit of it. I love the old star wars movies now because I see them as "happy accidents". George Lucas literally didn't have enough money and clout to fuck up his basically decent ideas and the result felt good. Not polished or nuanced, just good. Part of this is the glow of growing up with it. But part of it is hard to explain away. Protonk (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I notice you deleted the page on Hooper on the 17th September. Can you retrieve the text and put it on the talk page. I'd like to write it properly with notability, but would like to see what was written before to save time.BrissieGold (talk) 07:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I restored the article, it is now at Daryl E. Hooper. Looking back now, I'm not sure exactly what I was drinking. It definitely asserts notability, and I was completely wrong to have deleted it via speedy deletion. My apologies, it was an honest mistake. However, the article does require some independent references to verify the information in the article. Again, apologies. Keeper ǀ 7615:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Bye bye?
I gather you're off - if it's just RL stuff, will you be back at some point? Not sure the wiki would be as fun without you or this place to congregate...but regardless, if you do go have a lot of fun out there, but don't do what I went through a phase of doing and correcting the grammar on chalkboard signs that say things like " Road work's " - I ended up getting chased when I did that Fritzpoll (talk) 07:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It's just RL stuff. I'm weaning myself slowly from Wiki so that I actually go. This is a load of fun and when not having fun, we get to build an encyclopedia! ;-) You are definitely one of the good guys Fritzpoll. As I told Gazimoff, if I'm ever in the old country (it may be soon seeing as the US is about to collapse, lol), I'm going to look up some locals to show me where to find the real beer. :-) If someone would have told me that I would be chatting around with a bunch of Brits (I only came here as a reference for some local stuff), I'd have laughed. Fritz, Gaz, Rudge, Peds, Malleus, Rodhull, Baldy, Alex.m, dds, jza, etc. The good guys. Keeper ǀ 7613:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Just a very quick note to add my best wishes for the future; our interaction may have been minimal, but your contribution to my overall well-being was (and still is) very much appreciated. Have fun! Tevildo (talk) 15:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I know I'm not a "good guy" since well, I'm female and American. In addition to being one of <5 female TPSers (possibly <3), I'd really love to know the M:F ratio on Wiki. It's scary. PS: Nice football score in Boston last night. Was nice to play spoiler and keep the Sox from winning the East. For the rest of the weekend: Go Yankees, Phillies, Brewers and whoever is playing the White Sox :) Off to the shops now! TravellingCari16:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
A certain attack site performed the (actually genuinely useful) function of collating every WP admin who's posted a photo on their userpage, albeit with sarcastic running commentary on their looks or lack thereof. (I can't link to it, but if you Google "Misplaced Pages admin gallery" – in quotes – you'll see it). From that, the ratio is about 10-1 – albeit with the dual disclaimers that a) as we've recently learned the hard way, the photos people post "of themselves" are not necessarily genuine and b) female editors are often more reluctant to post their photo as they don't necessarily want either to be hit on by horny 13 year olds, or to see their photos "improved" on 4chan and ED. – iridescent16:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know where to categorize you two. First TCari, you're probably my favorite wikipedian, just sayin. And I hate the damn yankees (They were an awful band) :-). It was a good game last night, nice to see some formerTwins getting a champagne bath. Iridescent, I don't know where you belong either. I don't know if you are a brit or a newyorker, a guy or gal. But you're one hell of an administrator, and your picture catalog/catalogue (meaning your ability to quickly find the most obscure and randomly offensive photos in 2 clicks) is one of the most frightening I've ever seen. Keeper ǀ 7616:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It's inevitable: real life will get us all someday. Thanks for being a great admin and a better Wikipedian. I'll miss you and your talk page, lurker that I am. --Moni3 (talk) 16:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
That means a ton coming from you Moni, you are one of the best we have. I'm not disappearing altogether, or retiring for that matter. Just going away for awhile. I don't surmise I'll be able to stay very gone very long, but my quantity of edits will definitely lower (you'd assume my quality might go up, but chances are slim :-) I'll always be lurking. Keeper ǀ 7616:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
OK fine if we're getting sentimental, you made me tear up. I still remember your first comment to me, the first place I remember "meeting" you and my first foray to the Keeperpedia. I'm glad you were around to show me the ropes -- I think you made the wiki a lot better for a lot of people, which is why your archives last days now rather than months and why I agree with DMN above, this page will stay alive. Oh and I'm finally User:Travellingcari/Funnies a copycat PS: I agree they were an awful band, but it was a great show. DOuble header tomorrow, few better ways to end the baseball season. Don't know why they're bothering though - Tampa clinched the AL East and BoSox have clinched the wild card. PPS: Who's going to make me a custom wikibreak when I go in December? Can you do it now? TCari is spending some quality time on the beach where her biggest decision of the week will be: beach or pool, tequila or rumTravellingCari00:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Iri, will do. I think I've heard of that page. I figure I"m all over the web so finding me isn't that hard, even before I linked a photo of myself here. And if they come to the discovery that I'm not Heidi Klum, wow they're sherlock holmes :p
Well, goodbye, good luck, and try to pop by now and again. I'll have to get someone else to copyedit my next article, won't I? :) You've been bloody supportive the past couple of months, and I'm sorry to see you go. Fritzpoll (talk) 09:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Why'd you redirectAmsterdam (Guster song)? I'm only asking since it orphaned a Fair Use image that hmwith uploaded (and I'm watching her talk page while she's away).
I don't recall where the "motivation" for that came from, was there an AFD or something? Either way, I just undid my vandalismz. :-) Keeper ǀ 7615:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (154/3/2). I appreciate the community's trust in me, and I will be sure it won't regret handing me the mop. I am honored by your trust and your support. Again, thank you. Happy editing! –Juliancolton17:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL! And congrats, well deserved (and overdue). I honestly assumed you were an admin. Do well with the tools, don't become a thread-title at ANI :-) Keeper ǀ 7617:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Heh, thanks. I've already screwed up, by making a typo on 154 pages. That's always a good sign, when an admin fails within 2 hours of being sysopped. :-) –Juliancolton20:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
RfA comments
Keeper, my friend, I was just going for some much needed jocularity : ) I didn't really subtract any points (you're topped out at maximum), although I was somewhat surprised by your label. That said, I see where you're coming from. If you're familiar with the candidate inside and out, or maybe even superficially, you become emboldened to defend them. If they're a stranger to you, well, you ease up. Wisdom89(T / )18:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't need to know the candidate personally to know it's a good candidate. Feel free to take whatever "points off" that you want, it's a good candidate that deserves better than "zOMG! he sucks at AFD!!!". Seriously. Keeper ǀ 7618:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think that "stupid" rather undersells the inanity that RfA has become, and in particular the formulaic comments like "come back in three months when you've bored yourself rigid at AfD" nonsense that too many unthinkingly trot out. What could be more stupid that saying "I'll support you in three months"? Great editor, but I don't trust him/her with a few trivial buttons that ought to be as easily granted as taken away is so far into stupid territory that it's hyper-stupid. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
And to make it worse, this same candidate, in 3-6 months of going through the ridiculous things that are asked of him (namely, getting "more active" in admin areas, whatever the hell those are), will get opposed for gaming the system and trying to "level up". It makes me want to puke. Why the fuck are we so mean to each other? Keeper ǀ 7618:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Too many children with no experience of life and nothing better to do than hang around RfA aping what they've seen other children say there in the past? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if throwing them some bananas woudl distract them. There are two RFAs running right now that are downright disgusting. Keeper ǀ 7618:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Whats really sad, is that you guys aren't getting it. While others are pointing to the mainspace, I point to the project space. This is the area we should be looking at when deciding. If there is not enough there, you request more. And no thanks, I don't want any bananas. Synergy18:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
We disagree on almost everything synmag, including this. Meh, I still like you. This is a good editor, he isn't a vandal, he has clue, and he meets my criteria for adminship. So do you, so does malleus. It's only the defeated and defeatable that feel otherwise. Keeper ǀ 7618:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
My comments have nothing to do with my failed RfA's. In fact, this situation is reversed I believe. I just don't think banter on tossing bananas and children having nothing better to do accurately describes the situation. Synergy19:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Since when has my talkpage been used for anything else other than idle banter??? Check the archives if you don't believe me. You (and others) have this candidate completely wrong, in my opinion. I'm allowed to talk about apes and bananas on my talkpage. Bring me to WQA if you feel so strongly about this. Again, I like you Synergy. You have this candidate completely wrong, and you would be well served to go back and look at his contributions that are making the encyclopedia better. Fuck Wiki-space, and usertalk, and whatever. Keeper ǀ 7619:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Slow down Keeps. How did you get all of that from what I said? I knew watchlisting this talk page was the wrong move... Synergy19:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not upset synmag. I never edit upset. I do, however, firmly believe I'm right about this candidate, and that you are wrong. But I'm not upset. I demand or ask nothing of you, other than to make your own decision, based on the candidates contributions. Keeper ǀ 7619:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I didn't jump to anything. I said that you were wrong, and I was right. I never claimed you said otherwise :-) Keeper ǀ 7619:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Right. I'm more neutral apparently. My only aim was to express a point of view, whether its right or wrong did not mean a thing to me at the time, and it still doesn't. Synergy19:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
See, this is exactly why I started this conversation off with you guys aren't getting it. Neutrality isn't localized to an RfA, and I never once mentioned it. I didn't label anyones opinion as right or wrong in this discussion, which was what I meant. Have fun being right. :) Synergy23:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
You may not think that comments about children have anything to do with the situation Synergy, but I do. And to be perfectly blunt, I don't much care whether you or anyone else agrees with me or not. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Mal, if I honestly cared, you'd be the first to know. I'm not interested if you agree with me. After many conversations with you, I've largely ignored many of your comments. Synergy23:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)And yes, I should have ignored this one too.
Keeper, I guess you and I (and many others) are just going to have to agree to disagree. Lack of project space participation is something that should never be dismissed or overlooked. Sure, this is an encyclopedia, but it's not a lofty request to expect applicants to strut their stuff in adminy areas. It is a direct reflection of how they will ultimately work as an administrator. Performing admin chores before actually being granted the bit bolsters my confidence in an editor. Wisdom89(T / )20:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I never said you and I (and many others) were "required" to agree. I respect your opinion, and Synergy's, although I feel they are both dead wrong. Misplaced Pages exists because a select group of poor souls decided to make an encyclopedic website. After a while, it was decided, rather arbitrarily, that some of the editors should have the ability to view and delete non-encyclopedic articles, as well as block those editors that persistently tried to add them to Misplaced Pages. Everything beyond that simple "addition" is a bastardized version of the original intent of "administrators", as is self-evident by the earliest "requests for adminship". Bollocks I say. If any edit (You, Wisdom, and malleus included) have proven to be here for the good of the encyclopedia, you should be an admin. Same with Werespielchequers, same with Tadakuni. Which of those two are vandals? Which of those two are secretly "running for adminship" in order to destroy Misplaced Pages? Which of those two do you honestly feel will lead to drama, ANI reports, etc? Good grief, those RFAs are both for individuals that are quietly and consistently adding to the quality and accuracy of Misplaced Pages. Why, pray tell, would we deny them the tools to continue in that respct? That's a rhetorical question, but feel free to answer....Keeper ǀ 7620:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, with Kurt (ahem) no longer with us,I guess it's down to me to defend the "Oppose" corner; I stand by my boilerplate oppose (I don't think editors who haven't had the experience of putting large amounts of work into an article, and/or defending their work against well-intentioned but wrong "improvements" or especially AFD, are in a position to empathise with quite why editors get so angry when their work's deleted and/or The Wrong Version gets protected, and I don't support users who don't add content to the mainspace being given powers to overrule those who do.) – I think the "tons of Misplaced Pages space but no mainspace" editors haven't demonstrated the common sense that's necessary in calming down situations. That's not to say they don't have common sense, but that I don't know – and in my experience, this type of editor tends to become the letter-of-the-law Defender Of The Wiki type ("well, technically, that's in breach of paragraph 4.2.7.b of WP:CIV"). AFD, GAN, FAR etc are stressful, and in my experience "I know what you're going through" really does help. – iridescent20:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
All fine and well, and I support article builders. Curious though, where you place me? Am I an exception to the rule? I have exactly 0 dyk, 0 GA, and 0 FA. I never will. Am I a horrible admin? Would you have oppose/neutralled my RFA? Honest question. Keeper ǀ 7620:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
You had the good luck to run for RFA while I was Otherwise Engaged for four months, so it never came up ☺. Seriously, looking at your RFA, it's one of those I wouldn't have commented on at all unless it were from someone I knew, as there was nothing there to send the "hang on, I'd better look closer at this one" signal. Part of the reason it looks like I oppose so much (although I oppose less than half the time) is that I don't join pile-ons either way, so if I already see 40 supports/opposes stacked up I don't see the point wasting my time reviewing contribs if it's obvious which way it's going to go. If someone had put a gun to my head and made me participate, I think Casliber's comments in Neutral probably sum up my attitude to it based on what's on the RFA, and without the benefit of nine months hindsight. – iridescent21:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Malleus lives or dies by how I agree with him. I can tell... But answering why we're so fucking mean to each other - it's a bit of hazing and the zeal of the convert. Once an admin gets a brutal RfA (or several) and passes, it's only natural to turn around and treat the next guy as badly as you were treated, just to see if he can take it. It's for his own good, right? Or human nature. --Moni3 (talk) 00:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I decided to talkpage-stalk this particular thread because Keeper's rant argument about any editor here to improve the 'pedia being an admin is fairly interesting. I really don't have much of a view on this, but one of the things I hate about RfA is the bashing of voters because of their standards; nearly any argument is very defensible. To people who think standards are too low, Keeper's points are a good wake-up call, but an argument can be made for high standards: There are many, many admins now; we can afford to be picky and choose only the ones which we think would be the best. Misplaced Pages won't suddenly implode if we don't promote one admin who could do the job fairly, or even a hundred. Not fair, you say, that those who come later, when we can afford to be picky, are less likely to pass? Fair has nothing to do with it. As long as what needs to be done gets done, which people have the tools to do it doesn't matter. Nousernamesleft (talk) 03:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I somewhat agree with you. In fact, I think a case could be made for there being too many administrators on wikipedia. I forget the exact ratio of administrators to editors; something like one active admin per 20 active editors? Ridiculous. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 03:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Put in a user's name and it brings up a chart of which hours they're most active, how active they are on each day of the week, how fast they edit, which spaces they've been most active in per week etc – and if you scroll down and click "Analyse entire history" will, well, analyse your whole history. (NB; don't do it on me, it crashes at 30k edits). No possible use, but a great stalking tool. – iridescent20:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
The "cumulative edits" chart that comes up if you run the "Analyze the all edits of this user" function is fascinating. I once managed to make 1923 edits in a single day. – iridescent23:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it. OOpsie, that's a lotta blue. Of course, its for the week that I announced rather quietly that I was leaving, but I'm willing to bet it isn't that far off for any week in general. The joys of "running a noticeboard" in userspace.... :-) Keeper ǀ 7614:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
So the Mets are done. Shea is done. My thumb hurts from flipping back and forth between Yankees Game 1 and Mets -- both rain delayed and Yankees/Sox playing at their typical speed. Looks like Moose could win 20. So what happens if the WhiteSox win tomorrow? Then a playoff with the Twins? Two playoffs? I don't get this at all. Nor do I get why, other than $$$, the Yankees and Red Sox are trying to play 2 in a hurricaneTravellingCari21:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm waiting for Hurricane Dude! to come along. Baseball makes a distinction between "a playoff" and "the playoffs". Actually, baseball doesn't use "playoffs" to describe its post-season tournament (nor do they use the term "tournament"). It's the media that insist on calling it "the playoffs". The Sox have a makeup game against the last place Tigers tomorrow. If they win, they tie with the Twins, and then there has to be a 163rd game to decide matters. If they lose, they're out. Either way, the AL Central winner gets to play against Tampa Bay in one of the two ALDS's. Baseball Bugs08:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
"a Moose could win 20" !?!??!!?!? Boy did you guys miss out when we let you win that little skirmish a couple of hundred years ago ......... :)Pedro : Chat 21:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, Cobra. Apparently it replaced Klaus, which is equally odd. Pedro, see above. Rule number whatever :) Should have wikilinked for you uneducated foreigners :p Moose and Favre, the latter is actually football. He was retiring, then he wasn't, then he was. Then he wasn't. TravellingCari01:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Klaus? Geez, that just might be worse than Kyle. Why the hell do hurricanes need to have names, anyway? In the words of Lewis Black, "If they're gonna give a hurricane a name, why not give it a name that applies, like Hurricane 'JESUS CHRIST ON A CRUTCH!' followed by the next big one, Hurricane 'HOLY FUCKIN MOSES!'" GlassCobra08:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Keepster, I'm gonna miss you, buddy.
You, in your entrenched "no-IRC, no-email, Wiki-is-Wiki-is-not-RL" stance, are one of my model 'pedians. And you hate that bald kid as much as I do, which says bunches. I almost wish I'd let you nom me for adminship back when you first mentioned it, but I didn't feel capable. I would gladly carry the torch, though, were I in a position to do so. You are quite teh awesum, and I hope RL gives you scads and scads of $$$$$$ so you and the Mrs and the Keeplings can wallow in material goods til the end of time. But WP will be poorer for your absence...even though you don't like my Sox, that is. I'll miss you, homes. Gladys J Cortez23:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
You know what, I really do not like swearing, and I really do not like swearing when typed on Misplaced Pages, but... Fuck. Pedro : Chat 23:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks you two. Pedro, I swear a lot, both IRL, and once in a while, when I really feel strongly, on-wiki. My apologies if my fuckisms here and there have ever bothered you. And Gladys, you're ready. Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Gladys j cortez. Turn it to a bluelink, transclude it onto RFA (instructions are here) I'll add a strong support immediately. You are extremely clueful and passionate, you right articles, you know how to protect them, and you have wonderful communication skillz. And you use ALLCAPS appropriately :-). You should've run months ago. Keeper ǀ 7614:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Double header
Bwahahahaha! You thought this was going to be about baseball. Instead it is about Sarah Palin. Or at least, two priceless fictional depictions of the current governor of alaska.
I guess you're a temporary fan. You just can't end your Misplaced Pages life until at least Tuesday. Definitely through the World Series, if the Twins make it that far. That's only fair. OrangeMarlin00:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Wait! Are you here because your article was speedy deleted? Click here before leaving a message to find out why.
.jpg)
-_Good_pic.jpg)