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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XV: June 11, 2008 Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Misplaced Pages weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around. WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled. Is Pride POV? We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring? Harvey Milk and Jim Jones For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer... Queer Studies is offensive! The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors. Lambda Literary Awards What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put ] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th . The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website . Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate. This month's Wiki stars This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!) Compulsive hoarding of templates Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page. The Violet Quill and magazines Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help. A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation. Mom's nagging for Pride Month It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver. Fresh faces to brighten our pages Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy , Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult, Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003. It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Misplaced Pages. In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon." We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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Electoral district of Ridley

Hey Rebecca, I am creating an article on the former South Australian Electoral district of Ridley, which my sources tell me was a Riverland based seat existing from 1938 to 1970. I noticed however in Members of the South Australian House of Assembly, 1993-1997, Ridley is given as the name for a seat held by Peter Lewis in a different part of the state. The seat became Hammond in 1997 and in the 1989-93 members page, Lewis's seat is called Murray-Mallee. Do you know where the source was for Ridley being an electorate name 1993-97? Cheers, --Roisterer (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I guess I can add tghis section to the Ridley article. Cheers --Roisterer (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I notice that you removed content from Sarah Palin. However, Misplaced Pages is not censored to remove content that might be considered objectionable. Please do not remove or censor information that is relevant to the article. You have the option to configure Misplaced Pages to hide images that you may find offensive. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Lenerd (talk) 05:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I had added nothing! I was simply doing my duty and reverting the deletion of a substantial amount of sourced material that may have been POV but still should not be completely struck from the article. I will reword the section in question in an attempt to satisfy both her loyal devotees and others who wish to not see sourced material gratuitously deleted from an article. I would also like to congratulate you on your attainment of Admin despite your apparent taste for edit warring. (Lenerd (talk) 06:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC))

Sarah Palin

Rebecca;

I noticed that you informed Lenard of the BLP rules on Sarah Palin. While I welcome your zeal in this matter, I would like to respectfully bring the point to your attention that the reinsertions were done in good faith.

Respectfully;

Geoff Plourde (talk) 06:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

In light of the above, please disregard this section and only apply it towards my reinsertion. Geoff Plourde (talk) 06:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Notice and question

I just clicked some links on your useful stuff page and noticed that the first 2 external links in the variables section do not work. I was also wondering if you could briefly explain your reasons for keeping drafts at your username pages, instead of just immediately creating a partly completed article with the content you already have? - Shiftchange (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI

"There is an Ombudsman Commission at Meta-Wiki that is tasked with investigating complaints about violations of the privacy policy. It occurs to me that it might be worthwhile to ask them to investigate the three instances of "outing" that arose last week when I responded to Filll's Question #5 of his 8 Questions at RfC/ID." WAS 4.250 (talk) 15:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Messages

WP:ANI discussion

FYI, there is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:DyceBot about your block of User:DyceBot. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca,

Based on Dycedarg's assurance that he would not resume edits in the area under dispute, and the fact that you are evidently not online and he says he has a limited window to do other tasks, I've been a little reckless and unblocked his bot without waiting for your comment. It seems pretty clear your objection was to this one task, and he's promised not to restart that task, so I assumed it would be OK with you. If I'm wrong, then (1) I apologize, and (2) feel free to tell me off on my talk page, and (3) Feel free to revert my unblock with no chance of me screaming "wheel war!" at you. --barneca (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Richard White

I have moved the NSW Supreme Court Judge Richard White to Richard Weeks White as there is a South Australia Supreme Court Judge of the same name (Richard Conway White) and (jurist) (judge) and (Australian judge) don't disambiguate. I have directed Richard White (jurist), Richard White (judge) and Richard White (Australian judge) to Richard White to avoid confusion. I trust this is workable. Castlemate (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Rail images

Image:Horsham1.jpg is another station image that needs undeleting, then uncommenting here. Wongm (talk) 08:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Usurpation @ fi-wiki

Would you by chance happen to have any idea why an account by the name of "Rebecca" was usurped on fi-wiki arbitrarily and against decided-by-consensus policy by en:User:Bastique?

If it was indeed you who made this happen, know this: I would infban you on fi-wiki, but that would do no good, because you probably won't ever even visit our wiki. Just curious — how many people do you have to know in order to get global special treatment that trumps local wiki policies?

We may be a little wiki, but we expect that all users — even those in power in larger wikis — abide by our policies in our wiki. The usurpation could have been done in accordance with our policy, but now it's impossible to do it right.

Best regards, MikkoM, admin, bureaucrat, checkuser, oversighter and quite pissed off if our finally finished usurpation policy only applies to little people (21:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC))

I have been advised that you were totally unaware this usurpation was taking place. Please disregard my message above. MikkoM (talk) 19:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

FAR

Shrine of Remembrance has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

Murdoch

I most definitely do not want a move war over this - we are both *way* above that sort of conduct. But I can point to two others which are not in that format, and I'm sure if I was to go looking I'd find more. It isn't a case of correct vs incorrect, it's a case of consensus and what works for us as a project and what works for readers as well - I feel "state" is far clearer (as well as allowing far more wiggle room in the case of overlap between state and federal electorate names, which is quite common), you don't, I think we've been aware of each other's opinions for a while, we're very unlikely to agree. Orderinchaos 07:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

With the politics project in its current state (hiatus for the most part) it'd be getting the opinions of about three other people and would not represent a project consensus. I had talked to a number of people informally and, apart from my conversation with you at around the same time, got the general idea that people were in favour of the change but didn't care much either way. Orderinchaos 07:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Pol Oz template

The point of it is so that readers can navigate between the latest state and territory elections on one template. If it's linked on the template, what is the harm in it being on the election page? Timeshift (talk) 04:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's quite the Oz politics one stop shop as far as templates go. I don't see why you'd object to it, as it's quite useful. Timeshift (talk) 06:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

As above. Obviously it isn't area-specific except Politics in general. Perhaps there is an argument for removing the courts. Timeshift (talk) 07:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

3rr

I respect you too much to template, but seriously, you've hit your third revert on this. Orderinchaos 09:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I do find it a little disturbing that you knew exactly when I'd added the link to the article within a couple of hours of me doing so. Are you hunting my contribs for "state by-election" just so you can pounce on it and revert? If so, we have a LOT more serious problem here than just an edit war. Also note that I had not reverted or altered any of yours in any way - you seem to be trying to take the battle to me. Orderinchaos 09:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

As you know, I'm not, and have never been, much of a traditionalist. My view is that unwritten conventions tell us very well what has been done before but are certainly not the status of unbreakable policy. If the past was dictat, we would never have reform. Your strong views on the matter have been the main reason I haven't tried to change it anywhere else, as I do respect you as an editor and colleague. The other reason is, honestly, I doubt it's something that much more than the two of us care about - I believe "state" makes it more readable and less ambiguous, and I come from the angle of doing a lot of category work and mechanical sorting and project rating and the like where such disambiguations are incredibly useful. People I've talked to about it privately are either mildly supportive, or don't care/don't have an opinion, but I doubt if I was to raise a proposal more than two or three people would bother commenting, and if I was to change them all across Australia, I doubt there'd be a blast of contentiousness from the hordes across the Nullarbor. It's *certainly* not worth going to 3RR to protect and defend the ways of the past. Orderinchaos 09:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

FTF

Hello! Just wanted to say Welcome to the Feminism Task Force! Glad you found out about it. Happy editing! --Grrrlriot (♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ †) 22:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XVI: July 23, 2008 Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! Updates about our latest happenings in the gayest corner of Misplaced Pages. Project News Homosexuality at Good Article Review! An unfortunate effect of a group less active than in the past is that our articles lose integrity. This one is at Good Article Review for that reason. The talk page is quite active as a result. You have the opportunity to help. This is the corest of our core articles, and it needs some attention because it gets a lot of controversial input from many sides. If you can spare any time to edit the article, please do what you can. Paragraph 175 is at Featured Article Review! Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand! Gay bathhouse is at Good Article Review! Wtf is going on? I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there? Two GAs and a nominee! In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie? LGBT articles for deletion New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable. Completely naked women! Ha! Made you look! Even the guys are looking. Gay pioneers Kay Lahusen's and Barbara Gittings' collection of photographs are up at the New York Public Library. Want to see images of the first Pride march in 1970 in New York City? How about Sylvia Rivera, drag queen extraordinaire, and Stonewall Riots participant? Or the contact sheet for The Ladder that showed full-face lesbians in print for the first time in US history? Ok I did mention naked women, and it's true. I found naked pictures of Barbara Gittings. But I scrolled through all of them and you'll have to as well. I'm not that mean, though. Here she is in the shower. How cute is she? Tagging articles It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep. Member Spotlight: Benjiboi In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does. Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are: Manual of style, a must for anyone redecorating an article. Reliable sources in content review processes, a wonderful and fully linked essay about sourcing and why we need more and better sources. Google scholar, which also searches Google books, is a great help in finding reliable sources. Member Spotlight: Becksguy Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired. Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Misplaced Pages so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors. Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles. On Misplaced Pages as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Misplaced Pages for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting." Fresh faces to brighten our pages Welcome to all of our new members!: Balin42632003, supposedlydisposable, Axiomdragon, antcjone, Jamesgregg76, Taulapapa, Mushii, Pinkkeith, Gr8lyknow, EricV89, Varnent, Ged_UK, Richie wright1980, Auriel If you have a question about anything, drop your question on our talk page. We'll do our best to answer. "A Supreme Court decision in 1958 reversed a 1956 ruling by a federal district court that U.S. postal authorities were correct in prohibiting the mailing of the Mattachine Society's ONE magazine. The lower court had ruled that ONE was not protected by the First Amendment because the magazine's contents 'may be vulgar, offensive, and indecent even though not regarded as such by a particular group ... because their own social or moral standards are far below those of the general community ... Social standards are fixed by and for the great majority and not by and for a hardened or weakened minority.'" - Michael Bronski in Pulp Friction, 2003 Thanks for being weak and having lowered standards with me. --Moni3 (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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Sonia & Tamie

Sonia & Tamie are now done, after your comment about their omission. Still stubs, though, as it's too risky to do much more, because the crowds will come yelling "Delete!, they are non-notable!!!" --Lester 00:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Usurpations

• ja:Misplaced Pages:利用者名変更依頼#Rebecca Filed 1 Aug 2008
• nl:Misplaced Pages:Verzoek voor hernoeming van account#Rebecca → Rebecca (Usurped)

The SUL tool shows these as not currently linked to your global account. Kylu (talk) 03:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Usurp

English Wikibooks is ready for you. BTW, I'm Canadian :D  — Mike.lifeguard |  03:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

More railway images

Image:Ararat8.jpg and Image:Ararat2.jpg require undeletion for Ararat railway station, Victoria. Wongm (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Little River6.jpg and Image:Colac1.jpg are some more. I have restored the links to the images in the articles. Wongm (talk) 01:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Commons versions are here - http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:Colac1.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/Image:Little River6.jpg Wongm (talk) 22:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca at nlwiki

Hi, on request of m:User:Kylu the existing account Rebecca has been renamed, so you can now use your global account on nlwiki. --Erwin85 (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Civility

Rebecca, you placed the following comment on my talk page, 'Please stop removing red links to notable topics. There is no reason for this, and there's no excuse.' I'd just like to remind you that Misplaced Pages encourages civility. Your comment was not civil, and uncivil oomments are unlikely to convice people. Links to non-existent articles, aside from being annoying and confusing, are likely to encourage people who do not know enough to create articles. Skoojal (talk) 00:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

My Lionel Ovesey article is threatened with speedy deletion

Rebecca, on my talk page recently you wrote, 'Let's look at the example you used of conversion therapy: all of the people you delinked were very clearly notable by Misplaced Pages's notability policies, generally having in excess of 15,000 Google hits, including a whole bunch of good sources should someone want to write an article.' In this spirit, I've just created an article on Lionel Ovesey, who is a notable figure for the same reasons as the people you mention. The article is now threatened with speedy deletion. I was wondering if you could help me convince the person who tagged it that it will be possible to slowly turn it into a worthwhile article? Skoojal (talk) 11:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Leake

Ah, thanks for that ... for some reason I'd typed "ref name" instead of "ref label". Orderinchaos 15:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hello Ambi, It has been a long time since I've had the pleasure of interacting with you. Since you have experience with the deletion process in Misplaced Pages, I was wondering if you nominate four "lists" for deletion. You see, if I did it, I'm afraid that I would mess things up as I have done before.

Here is the situation. The following four "lists", List of Puerto Rican comedians, List of Puerto Rican artists, List of Puerto Rican architects and List of Puerto Rican writers are spin-offs from the List of Puerto Ricans.

The four "lists" are not necessary, not managed, occupy Misplaced Pages space, plus as I stated before, were "taken" from a list that covers them all. The "List of Puerto Ricans" has a management team that has set up a requirement criteria and that requires that all additions be cited with reliable verifiable sources as policy.

I would really arreciate it if you do this. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Criminal tag

Hi Rebecca. Thanks for your reply regarding the use of the criminal tag. Your advice taken. --Lester 06:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Your comment

Was it an unfortunate placement beneath my post, or was bollocks drama intentional? The political overtones to some editors' decisions by no means carries over to everyone. For the last eleven months I have mentored an Israeli editor through the Israeli-Palestinian disputes, and he has become a featured content contributor. During that time I have also contributed featured content (separately) related to both Palestinian culture and Zionism. With respect, Durova 11:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca, thanks for the message. If you have no objections, I'll move it up into the Opposed section? --Elonka 17:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the message, and tweaked the preposition phrase a bit so it would make sense in its new location, I hope that's alright. Also, thanks again for your support. It means alot to me, especially considering our earlier conflicts. It means more to have the support of someone who used to be deadset against me, but who now realizes that I'm not such a bad person after all!  :) --Elonka 15:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

"bollocks"

"bollocks" was the editing comment you left whe you removed that citation needed from the article women who have sex with women. "bollocks" is not was not and never will be a good justification for that. The statement that tag is on requiers some backing up in light of the related discussion on men who have sex with men. In particular after heated debate and an intensive search for a definitive and authoratative source all we could find is that the term MSM is sometimes used to blanket transwomen and sometimes it isn't. I suspect the same is true of WSW. Let us find out.

Please find some sources to back up what you think is so obvious.--Hfarmer (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not the one making the claim so why should I have to look for the references? You say "bollocks" I say prove it's bollocks that you need to have sources in a WP article. You can't you know this so you call me "wierd". Have fun being a lemming or a sheep and belonging to a particular "interest camp" or whatever the heck you called it. I revel in being a true individual as unique as a fallen flake of snow.

Now find some sources to back up your claim. No hurry I am busy. Just find me one source that includes all transwomen (including those who have sex with men since that qualification isn't even in there) as being WSW.  :-/ Try and find such a reference. --Hfarmer (talk) 16:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Sergei Bagapsh

Hey, I noticed that you wrote the original version of the Sergei Bagapsh article. Most of the information in the original version is still in the current one, but there are several statements with {{fact}} tag attached to them. In particular, see the "Prime minister" section. Do you think you could provide sources for those four uncited statements? Khoikhoi 02:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, those were the days. You could even write a FA without having to have citations. Anyways please let me know if you ever remember the name of this database. I've found a source for the other two. By the way, I've done some editing on the South Ossetia page in the past few days, what do you think of my idea of moving part of the intro into the "Political status" section? (specifically, the part about the provisional government, which is probably in exile right now due to the war). Khoikhoi 03:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Great, I'll try to find a password for it. As for South Ossetia, the website of the provisional government has some recent information, but it's in Georgian. I couldn't find any sources stating where Sanakoyev is, but what I do know is that the Dmitry Sanakoyev article lists his residence in Kurta, and you can see here that there was clearly in fighting in the town, and I'm guessing that the South Ossetian separatist troops currently control it. BTW, I found another page: Amtsakhara. What do you think about the fact tags in that article? Khoikhoi 04:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks again. I'll try to fix it when I have the time. Khoikhoi 08:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Interview request

Hello! There's an election on. Can I ask you a couple of brief questions about your steadfast maintenance of Alannah MacTiernan's entry? I'm writing a story on MPs' entries for The Sunday Times in Perth. Davidcohen (talk) 06:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly! Just doing your job. I've also asked other Wikipedians about their reverts (see Alan Carpenter and Matt Birney, for example). The main question is why you do it - you don't get paid. Also, I guess these MPs or their staffers can't do it - that sort of thing is frowned upon? Davidcohen (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Not many questions. Why do you do it? Should politicians' staffers edit their employers' entries? Why do you think people vandalise entries? How does the Alannah vandalism - talk about Botox and her personal appearance - rank with the vandalism you've seen? Do you think there's an increase in vandalism because of the looming election? Any other thoughts you have would be most welcome. Thanks Rebecca! Davidcohen (talk) 08:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of shopping malls in the United States

I have nominated List of shopping malls in the United States, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of shopping malls in the United States (4th nomination). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Australian Railway History

Yes, that is phase 2, hopefully with some assistance from my friends! --Commissioner Geoff (talk) 06:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

March 2004 railway station edits

Looking though the Melbourne station articles, you were the one who created them back in March 2004. What source did you use for the opening and closing dates? Wongm (talk) 05:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

White City is one. Wongm (talk) 11:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Quick one re capitalisation

In Category:Lists of legislators in Australia, we have some category names with upper case P Parliament, some with lower case p parliament. Which one would be most correct? I think we should make them all one or the other, but have no personal opinion as to which - MOS would suggest lower case, but if Parliament is regarded to be a title, then it would have to be capped. Thoughts? Orderinchaos 06:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion query

Please see thread at the help desk here. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 03:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL

I don't honestly know where Bruce came from. For some reason I can't help thinking of Dr. Alban (the photo in the article does not capture his famously weird hairstyle). Sleep deprivation is not a good thing. Orderinchaos 06:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Saw this edit "N Members of the Western Australian Legislative Assembly, 2008-2012 ‎ (work around this absurdity)" - it is incredible to me personally that we have an MOS that requires endashes in titles (which I agree with) yet lead to a funny URL which, interestingly, looks even funnier on pre-XP3 operating systems. If I knew how to use the bug system thingy I'd propose a software change to MediaWiki as a serious suggestion, so that the URLs are always hyphens but the titles display correctly, and links to endash articles automatically go to hyphen urls. Orderinchaos 14:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Costa bipolar

Hi Rebecca, As odd as it seems, Costa is on the public record as being bipolar. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, but I wouldn't want to cite it without a discussion of it, and I'm not the best person to do that. Regards, Ben Aveling 11:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Railway templates

Hello Rebecca. I notice that you recently edited a railway route diagram for the long-disused Captains Flat line to include a red link to each railway station on the line (I had included a blue link to the town of Captains Flat).

I know that WP:ROUTE#Hints recommends that links on route diagrams be directed to articles for the station in question. However, this seems to me not particularly desirable for rural Australia - especially a line on which no train has run for 40 years and where tangible evidence of the station has, in many cases, long since been removed. WP:ROUTE#Hints also says that "if a station has a WP article, link to that, not to the town."

For instance, I created Template:Tumut & Kunama Lines. By linking to the town, a Misplaced Pages user could click a link to an article for the towns/villages of Brawlin, Muttama, Coolac, Gundagai, Tumblong, Tumut and Batlow. I have just redirected each link to articles for the station as per WP:ROUTE, and now every single link at every station is a red link.

It is unlikely that articles will appear for each station - they aren't notable enough.

I am wondering if you will agree that it is better in this case for links to go to the towns in question, and not to the stations for which there is not (and probably never will be) an article? --TripleThree (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I'm cool with linking to the actual stations in the templates if it will lead (eventually) to articles being created for each station. I reckon putting links to the town/village in question in the article's main body is a good idea, so readers still have the opportunity of reading about the town. --TripleThree (talk) 10:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Barnawartha2.jpg

Hi, when I checked my deletion log (to check if any copyvio's were again uploaded) I noticed you undeleted Image:Barnawartha2.jpg. On checking the logs that is the second you did so. On June 9 2008 you stated that the license is still being cleared up. Almost 4 months later, any progress on that? Otherwise the image will be, rightfully so, again deleted because of no license tag and other concerns. Garion96 (talk) 16:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I only saw this image after it being listed it wp:pui. You encountered this image a while ago, undeleted it twice and stated that the license is being cleared up. How about you, for a change, get in contact with the owner and get the information so that we can end this bullshit stone dead. Garion96 (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I try to get permissions often enough plus I occasionally help out at otrs where this image also would not have been accepted. Since you want to keep the image and know about it for months, why on earth haven't you contacted the owner instead of complaining to me? If you're not interested in doing the groundwork, please refrain from undeleting this image, plus don't state that the license issue is being cleared up, since that does not seem to be true. I will send the copyright owner an e-mail. If I don't get a response in a reasonable time, the image goes bye bye. Garion96 (talk) 23:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I just got a response from the OTRS email submission - Ticket #2008100610016331. Wongm (talk) 21:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

File:Colac1.jpg needs undeletion as well. Wongm (talk) 03:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Morayfield Shopping Centre

With respects, you have removed tags I placed from an article that does not source any assertion of notability through WP:RS and which reads ike an advertisement. Could explain on the article's talk page your reasons for doing so? Thank you. Schmidt, 04:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Registered historic places

Hi Rebecca, are you still interested in the Wikiproject for Australian historic places? Somno (talk) 01:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I have started it at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australian historic places, but as you can imagine there are lots of gaps! I think the first steps are categorising articles and getting a parameter added to Template:WP Australia, what do you think? Somno (talk) 02:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you think it's worth asking for help on the noticeboard at this early stage? Somno (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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Paterson Bridge

I suggest that you think through your actions a little more.

The image that you have now twice tagged is very clearly from the era noted in image notes (i.e. approximately 1910), forty-odd years clear of the limit on public domain images. Wouldn't it be more helpful to go find the source for this image rather than deleting it for jollies when you and I both know that it is definitely public domain?

This is on the same day that I've seen you a) try to delete an image of a dead person by claiming that he was in fact, alive, and b) claim that one of the most significant feminist book publishers in history was a self-published vanity press. Perhaps you should be a little more careful with your editing, because that's three times in the one day where your carelessness has negatively impacted upon the encyclopedia. Rebecca (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Believing he was alive was a mistake. But we have a free image anyway, and that picture must be deleted.

Jessica does publics through vanity press company Seal Press. --Damiens.rf 13:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm gobsmacked. You've just reverted me on Jessica Valenti - by still claiming that Seal Press is a vanity press? This is a major press that has published many of the most significant feminist books and feminist authors of the last fifty years. Did you even bother to Google them before attacking the article? Rebecca (talk) 13:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

On what possible basis are you still making that claim? Not only is there utterly no evidence for it if you'd so much as Googled them, but it's arguably libelous as well. And you'd have noticed that he was alive if you'd actually looked at his article. Can you see what I'm getting at here? Rebecca (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess, at the time, the article didn't included the death date at the introduction (just the birth date) as usual, so I got confused. What's the big deal? The image needs to be deleted anyway. --Damiens.rf 14:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

And you've still not answered why you're randomly smearing a major publishing company, or why you're hellbent on trying to delete an image which you know for a fact is public domain. Rebecca (talk) 14:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

We need a verifiable source to make sure the image is PD. This is how WP works. I've read somewhere at the seal press's website at the time that they work with a print-on-demand basis. I'm trying to find it right now. --Damiens.rf 14:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I see you've again reverted the page, again on the basis of this bizarre claim. I'm at a loss - what the heck are you doing? Rebecca (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not acting based on bizarre claims. I'm just against the removal of a valid concern tag with no justification. Do you realized I wasn't the one to add the tag to begin with? Even if Seal Press is the best press in the word, are you arguing that having a book published by them makes you automatically notable? --Damiens.rf 14:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Damiens.rf

Would you support a Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment on him/her? Paul Austin (talk) 16:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good - you start an RfC and il support it. Paul Austin (talk) 05:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I will fully support you guys. That user is completely obnoxious and has made plenty of WP:POINT violations. He should be banned from launching AfDs or IfDs or participating in any deletin discussion. JRG (talk) 05:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

And he's violated Misplaced Pages:No legal threats off-wiki. Paul Austin (talk) 08:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Please prove that immediately or stop these accusations! --Damiens.rf 23:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd fully support such a request as well. I believe he epitomizes what a wikipedia editor should NOT be.   Redthoreau (talk)RT 17:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Grammar

Hi, Rebeca. Could you please help me with my grammar on Jessica Valenti? I welcome your input. --Damiens.rf 22:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

While reverting my grammar, you also accidentally reverted the information about her books (like isbn link and publication date). --Damiens.rf 22:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Considering your history with the article before, it might well be better for you to pick an article to work on that you don't have quite such an erratic history with - especially since the article is a BLP, and that you have had ongoing negative engagement with its subject. Rebecca (talk) 22:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I haven't (at leat not yet) been reprieved from my privilege to edit Misplaced Pages. In the case I act nasty, just report me. But please don't ask me not to edit the articles you care about.

So, we will work together? --Damiens.rf 23:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Your work is negatively affecting the project, and in this case, the article on a BLP. I'm asking you to do the right thing and find another article to direct your interest in light of your past history there. It isn't about acting nasty; it's about careless and erratic behaviour negatively impacting upon the project. And if you can't police your own behaviour, I'd have to say that by the reaction your block received, you're probably heading very quickly towards Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution system. Rebecca (talk) 23:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

But would you still work collaboratively with me today, or do you believe your concerns are irremediable? Do you see your dislike for some of my previous behaviors as a good reason to revert any edit I do (rhetoric question, I'm sure you don't)? --Damiens.rf 23:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I think with your history with both the article and its subject that your presence on Jessica Valenti is probably unhelpful. Rebecca (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, have you seen my edit history on Jessica's article? I've helped a lot that article. It used to read like a self-provided mini-curriculum. I have searched and added sources, removed pov, unsourced statements and even BLP attacks. I was the one to format each of the references in the article. Also, again, I wasn't the one to add the notability tag. You seem to be emotionally attached to the subject and are being unfair on your qualification of my work on the article. --Damiens.rf 23:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Uh, no. I'm actually a critic of Valenti; that book which you initially claimed was self-published was very controversial in parts of the feminist movement. It doesn't mean that I'm not going to complain when an editor starts doing the editing version of driving drunk and stoned through her article. It's not just your random attempts at disparaging the women (evidently driven by your past clashes with her in the article history); it's your cluelessness about the entire subject (i.e. repeatedly claiming that her publisher was a vanity press, and claiming that some Salon interview said something particularly illuminating when it's the subject of her entire book, and basically her attitude to feminism). Rebecca (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Trying to collaborate with you has been a depressive experience. You seem incapable of assuming good faith, or of avoiding harsh words in every comment. I'll be open to discuss my edits with you whenever you want, but I can't say I'm looking forward for these opportunities. I wish you happiness. --Damiens.rf 23:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Rebecca. please. Help me with the article instead of just reverting it. Your about to violate 3RR. If you dislike my grammar (something that I have tried to address), why don't you help me to fix it, instead of reverting the bunch of my edits, that included grammatic-free improvements, like formating external links and references? --Damiens.rf 23:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, how about stopping making or reverting back in the problematic edits to begin with? Rebecca (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively to helping me to improve the article? As I've made clear before, I believe the Misplaced Pages way of doing things is collaborative work, that would include you fixing the mistakes I've made during my improvements (like the "bad grammar" you mentioned), instead of reverting the whole improvement just for disagreeing with part of it. --Damiens.rf 23:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RE:

Sorry, TW does the unlinking, not me. I wasn't aware of the ramifications that it would have. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 23:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hang in there Rebecca

Damiens, will try your patience, sanity, and is a "pro" when it comes to crushing ones editing spirit. Making matters worse, he will pretend to be the "innocent victim" or the "happy naive neighbor" who pretends to be amazed that the person he just harassed for an hour, is not ready to assume good faith and gladly collaborate with him. Do your best to remain calm, as I know how hard it can be. ;o)   Redthoreau (talk)RT 04:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thankfully he was just blocked again for a week this time.   Redthoreau (talk)RT 04:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't help remembering back to a certain past Australian editor with very similar editing behaviour. Orderinchaos 02:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a friendly reminder...please remember that the only valid excuse to go over 3RR is vandalism. When you were reverting Damiens, you actually did pass the 3RR yourself...you could have been blocked for this, but you were not - probably because you were reverting edits that appeared to have been made in bad faith. However, while his edits were not necessarily made in good faith, they were not vandalism. Please just be a little more careful if the situation presents itself again. If it happens again, go to the 3RR noticeboard - or to ANI if the situation seems extreme enough - and stop reverting until the problem is solved. Thanks! --Smashville 15:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

you might want to

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mount_Murray_railway_station,_New_South_Wales#Mount_Murray_railway_station.2C_New_South_Wales - cheers SatuSuro 00:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Eight Hotels Australia

Hi Rebecca. With this edit were you reverting what you saw as my vandalism or simply declining my speedy deletion nomination. I don't want to appear over-sensitive but using an edit summary of "rvt" makes it appear as if it was the former. -- Mattinbgn\ 00:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Article tagged for rescue

The Story of Maths has been tagged for rescue. -- IRP ☎ 22:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Moriac and railway lines

I have flipped it back - for the average person it ,ight be better to keep the 'Port Fairy line' links for Koroit and the stations down that way! Wongm (talk) 08:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Holtage.jpg

Are you able to restore this image? I believe our friend Damiens.rf tried to remove it from the page after the AfD came up with a keep outcome. It's from the NLA collection - I'm quite sure of that. JRG (talk) 01:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Three revert rule

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. I have also placed a similar message on nrswanson's talk page. Broadweighbabe (talk) 12:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR

Hi, I'm not here to whine about an edit conflict or anything, I'm sure that can be solved with consensus - however on the Amanda Milan article you are one edit away from breaking the 3RR - consider this a reminder so that you don't get blocked, rather than a complaint/threat Sennen goroshi (talk) 15:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Rebecca. Please add your own comment at the existing 3RR case that complains about your editing of the Helen Westwood article. You appear to have reverted the work of others four times on November 3. If you are hoping to rely on some kind of an exemption from 3RR for your reverts, please explain there. EdJohnston (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Look - our friend Damiens.rf has me reported for deleting offensive comments made to you! see here. I give up. I'm going to retire from Wiki from the moment although I may come back at some stage but under a different username to concentrate on smoe rail-related stuff. I've had enough of being abused when I try to help other people. Hopefully my going away will allow someone to do something once and for all about Damiens.rf. JRG (talk) 01:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)