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The author of this page seems to be consistently 5 to 10 years behind the curve in his understanding of Russian and Ukranian tank technology, and several statements are glaringly incorrect. I have made a number of corrections. I welcome discussion of them.

And he seems to think T-62's have an autoloader...Perhaps he's from a different time line? :o) But we should not forget that wikipedia is basically an amateur project. Making mistakes is part of the normal process of article building. They have the essential function of annoying (or amusing) experts so much they put in the correct information. ;o) It may be of comfort to you that the articles about the Western tanks are far worse!

MWAK--84.27.81.59 17:15, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the description of the T-72 as a "medium tank" to a "main battle tank", as that fits the tank better. "Medium tank" is more of a historical term than something that is used for modern tanks, as the distinction between heavy and medium tanks has all but disappeared.

--Martin Wisse 21:48, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ergh, this article is a mess. Full of duplications and contradictions. Anyone care to sort it out? I hesitate, due to a lack of in-depth knowledge of the upgrades performed on exported Russian tanks... Dan100 19:37, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

A lot of this material could go into a separate article on Soviet tank design. But I agree, there's some rewriting to be done. —Michael Z. 20:56, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

Cost

...approximately one-third cheaper per unit than the M1 Abrams

Is that correct (i.e. 2/3 the price of an M1), or should it be one third the price of an M1? —Michael Z. 2005-08-5 05:05 Z

• I had a few problems with the edit that this quote came from. In modern USD - seems to suggest somewhere around 1 million USD for an export T-72S and suggests 2 million USD for a T-90. From http://members.aol.com/panzersgt/hist.html - the M1 was supposed to cost about 0.5 million USD (in 1972 dollars) - the M1A2 in present day dollars costs about 6.7 million USD ]. Anyone have any better T-72 numbers ? Megapixie 05:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, that refers to its intended cost, so it means in the 1970s. Can you quote meaningful prices in the USSR, or is that comparing apples to oranges? Export prices are probably easier to peg, but the difference wouldn't be as dramatic. —Michael Z. 2005-08-5 16:09 Z

• Meaniful internal Russian numbers are probably hard to come by given the way the Rouble tends to rock and roll (someone prove me wrong please :) ) Flicking through my copy of Soviet/Russian Armor and Artillery Design Practices: 1945 to present (p114) gives export prices of
  • 1.2 mil USD for T-72S
  • 2.0 mil USD for T-80U
  • 3.0 mil USD for M1A1

Since the book was published around 1999 - I would figure those for 1998-9 prices. Seems like the M1's cost has inflated a lot of 6 years.

Merge T-72MP

I notice there's a new article on the T-72MP upgrade package, with next to no text. Unless someone is planning to write an extensive article on the subject, I think the modernizations should be described here. The categories Category:Ukrainian armoured fighting vehicles and Category:Modern tanks can be added here too. —Michael Z. 2005-10-19 18:07 Z

Added official page of the company that builds the tanks

The company that builds them is the same company that builds the t-90 and also other variants such as BRIDGE LAYER http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/mtu.htm МТУ-72

ENGINEER VEHICLE FOR REMOVAL OF OBSTACLES http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/imr.htm ИМР-3М

ARMOURED DEMINING VEHICLE http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/bmr.htm БМР-3М

ARMORED RECOVERY VEHICLE http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/brem.htm БРЭМ-1

ARMOURED DOZER-SNOWPLOUGH http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/tbs.htm ТБС-86

And ofcurse

TANK T-90C http://www.uvz.ru/eng/edata/euvz/eprodukt/mprod/t_90.htm