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Thanks

Thanks for removing the comments. I saw your applied-then-deleted one. If you have concerns about edit-warring, you should bring them up on an administrator's noticeboard. I have no reason to assume bad faith from GHcool, and while you are welcome to do what you want, I generally find that assuming bad faith creates more problems than it solves. Awickert (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Factsontheground (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Awickert (talk) 16:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Both you and Wikifan12345 blocked for a week for personal attacks and disruption

The dispute has exceeded reasonable bounds, both in civility of each of you towards the other, and in disruptive activity on WP:ANI.

I am going to ask for review of this on ANI but I expect that both blocks will be upheld by consensus there.

Both of your accounts are behaving like Single-Purpose Accounts - Per Misplaced Pages:Single-purpose account and related policy, accounts which are single purpose and highly disruptive can be indefinitely blocked from editing. That policy is also possibly applicable here.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 00:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Georgewilliamherbert, I don't understand how you could have read the discussion at WP:ANI and concluded that I was in any way harassing or attacking Wikifan12345. The vast majority of comments there agree that Wikifan12345 has caused disruption on a number of articles. Nobody except for you has proposed that I be blocked. How can you block me with no basis whatsoever in the discussion? How can you possibly think that this is correct?

My edits today were simply in reply to User:Awickert's request for diffs. Remove them if you want. It makes no difference to me.

Can you please provide you reasoning here because I do not understand it whatsoever?

Please, Georgewilliamherbert, can you list the statements that I have made that constitute personal attacks or harassment against Wikifan12345?

Factsontheground (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Come on, George. Please show me evidence of personal attacks or harassment. Show me one person other than yourself that wanted me banned. Factsontheground (talk) 00:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It is important to note that User:Georgewilliamherbert was involved in a content dispute with me on Talk:List of terrorist incidents, 2009 so this block represents a clear conflict of interest, in which he supported Wikifan12345's side of the dispute against mine. He should have waited for an uninvolved admin to deal with this. Consensus at WP:ANI was that Wikifan12345 had breached NPA and that I was NOT stalking or harassing him but responding reasonably to abuse. Factsontheground (talk) 01:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Email I sent to Georgewilliamherbert, who continues to refuse to substantiate his claims

I have repeatedly ssked you to substantiate your claims that I have been disruptive or am harassing/stalking other users but you refuse to do so or even to respond at all. Just because you have an admin bit does not make you beyond mortal reckoning or basic civility.

The simple fact is that in the discussion on WP:ANI there was an overwhelming consensus that Wikifan12345 needed corrective punishment, not I. The vast majority of the discussion was concerned with Wikifan12345 and his behaviour. There was NO consensus for any of your claims against me. You seem to have produced them from thin air. There is no equality between me and Wikifan12345 in this matter. Not only has he continued to personally attack me even in ANI he has a much longer block log and a much larger history of disruptive behaviour that has reached ANI and Wikiquette alerts on multiple occasions.

I find your behaviour on the "List of terrorist incidents, 2009" article to be very interesting in light of this block. You participated in that discussion only to argue against my edits and to threaten to block me for what you claimed was edit warring. When I left the discussion so did you. You did not take _any_ action against Wikifan12345's many personal attacks against me on that page, nor to his continued edit warring.

So why did you jump in to this dispute when everyone has been specifically waiting for an _uninvolved_ admin, which you definitely are not? There are a number of admins who participated in the discussion who wanted to ban Wikifan12345 alone but did not because they realized that they were too involved and did the correct thing. You should have done the same.

I politely request that you recognize that you are too involved in this dispute, and allow a truly uninvolved admin to determine the appropriate action to be taken.

I can confirm receiving something either that or very similar to that in email.

To respond:

1. I have taken action (multiple warnings) against Wikifan12345 for uncivil comments on the List of terrorist incidents 2009 page.

2. Wikifan12345 is blocked, too. And is far more likely to not come back from that (have it made permanent) at this point.

3. Misplaced Pages policy requires admins to recuse themselves when they have a personal conflict with an editor, or a conflict of interest regarding article content. I have neither in this case, with either editor or the article. Admins becoming involved in a discussion does not disqualify them from administrative intervention, as long as they avoid the two specific conditions.

4. I do not believe that Factsontheground is blameless in this incident, nor do others. If I believed you were blameless you would not be blocked (he still would be). If you believe you have not been editing in a provocative or abusive manner, I commend to you your own edit history and I recommend study thereof. One problem editor is a short walk to a block - it takes two or more butting heads to produce a fiasco of this magnitude.

5. You clearly do have a focused single-purpose pro-Palestinean point of view, starting with your username, your edit history, and comments on talk pages. That does not automatically qualify you for a permanent block from editing - but single purpose accounts which are also disruptive get little leeway. Please take this as notice that WP:SPA, the related single-purpose account aspects of WP:SOCK, WP:DISRUPT, and related policies are relevant here.

6. It would be advisable for you to either find another topic to focus on, or figure out a way to edit in a less disruptive manner.

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Georgewilliamherbert continues to defy consensus, continues to make allegations against me without provide a signle piece of evidence

When is this going to stop?

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Far from being "disruptive at ANI" I have made very few edits in that discussion. The edits I made today were specifically requested by User:Awickert.

I was simply responding to his request. If you are unhappy with the material I added to that page then remove it. It makes no difference to me.

Please read the WP:ANI entry and you will see that the vast majority of people involved in this dispute recognize and agree that Wikifan12345 is the problem, not me. There was a consensus that Wikifan12345's behaviour was the issue, not mine.

Please, Georgewilliamherbert, can you list the statements that I have made that constitute personal attacks or harassment against Wikifan12345?

It frustrates me that from the beginning I have gone out of my way to follow Misplaced Pages policy to the letter and avoid personal attacks, even in the face of extreme provocation, and yet I'm being treated exactly the same as an individual that has been involved in far more disputes than I have with far more people and who has a much larger block log. How is that justice?

If I am unblocked I will gladly correct my behaviour if someone can inform me what it is that I did wrong here.

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