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Just saw & heard her on TV.

Appears important and impressive living scholar of Soviet Communism, Stalin, and the Gulag.

I wonder if she has any references and observations to make on Pogroms as perhaps anticedents to the Programs of "Mother Russia}.

Ludvikus 14:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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Obama Supporter?

In the Washington Post article referenced "Why McCain Lost Me" she does not mention that she is going to vote for Obama, only that she is not voting for McCain. Is that enough to conclude that she supports Obama. Nowhere does she state that in the article. Does she do that anywhere else? Did she even vote in the 2008 Presidential Elections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.252.20.65 (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I have not seen it anywhere else. In fact, in the essay "Why McCain Lost Me" she narely mentions Obama, and when she does, it is negative. --Amcalabrese (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

She can't be Obama supporter as her husband - Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs as well as his government (and previous 2 governments) have been always very pro-Bush.

Possible conflict of interest

Aapple6 (talk · contribs) it appears may have a conflict of interest in this article. The user has removed cited material from the article, and also uncited info. I have alerted the user as to WP:COI, and if they are indeed connected to the subject, they should declare their COI, and follow WP:COI guidelines in editing the article. --Russavia 17:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Christian or Jewish

The article presently states that she is Christian. I don't think that this is the case. The source is an article that cites her celebrating Christmas. Well, plenty of assimilated, non-religious Jews celebrate Christmas in some way. And if they happen to be married to conservative, Catholic Polish politicians, it's all the more likely that they would celebrate Christmas, at least as a family. However, I seem to recall Applebaum stating in Between East and West that she was Jewish. I read the book many years ago, and my library doesn't have a copy, so I can't verify this. But I thought there is an episode in the book where she has a discussion with a rabbi who challenges her on her Jewishness, and she pushes back. Does anyone else recall this? Poldy Bloom (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Roman Polanski defense OpEds

A place to discuss/explain why some editors and contributors would like to see all references to Ms. Applebaums' Roman Polanski opinions removed. If you feel the POV is not neutral, make it so. More aources? Add them (four, as of this section creation, for one sentence). She wrote the opinions and stands behind them. If you don't like that they exist, talk to her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.54.1 (talk) 02:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

This is nothing to do with the number of sources, it is to do with the tone and what is actually written about Polanski. It also gives WP:UNDUE weight to one current incident. This sentence should not be in wikipedia, even if rewritten. Martin451 (talk) 02:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

She's written twice (check the refs) about it with no change in position. No conspiracies or axe to grind here. Explain why your opinion is more important than multiple contributors. Ms. Applebaum stands behind her published words. CanuckMike (talk) 02:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: the tone. How is it not neutral? "controversial" had three sources added, one from Ms. Applebaum, to justify the word upon request. CanuckMike (talk) 02:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Last addition until a response :-). I wanted to state that I would add a second sentence following up on any developments in the coming days or just go for run-on sentence gold. For now, it is what it is. Her spouse has similar views held just as strongly. Her co-workers do not share her view nor do the respondents to her OpEds (there are a couple who agree if you look hard enough). Peers are either distancing themselves from her or attacking her outright in the popular press. I was trying to avoid adding undue weight by tacking on explainations or further citations which, essentially, lambaste her POV, her person, and her spouse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CanuckMike (talk • contribs) 03:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The whole point of this addition is to slight Applebaum, see also the other addition by the IP that was removed. It does not say "defending Roman Polanski", it says "defending convicted statutory ....". This is not written in a WP:NPOV way, as it implies Applebaum defends him no matter what, and does not explain her reasoning. Even so if it did explain her reasoning, it still has undue weight on one event. As for my opinion being more important than other contributors, if it does violate WP:BLP then one editors removal trumps multiple editors re-adding it. I have listed it on WP:BLPN Martin451 (talk) 03:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

It is not a slight. It states fact concisely and attempts to provide the reader with verifiable references. As far as Polanski, he actually is a convicted statutory rapist. He was convicted (not sentenced). It was statutory, not any other kind as far as the legal record is concerned. Are you saying he is not? That fact, coupled with his recent arrest, is the subject matter of the cited articles! The words of the author are there to read. I don't believe her POV or what she has said is in dispute? You continue to claim a non-WP:NPOV yet offer no alternatives, only immediate reverts of a BLP entry meeting key requirements (i.e. no need for immediate removal, only debate). You still haven't explained to me how it places undue weight on "one event." The event itself is immaterial, really, as Ms. Applebaum is a journalist and editor. She did not make off-the-cuff remarks that can be misinterpreted. The POV of a journalist writing in public news publications and editing same gives insight into their work. That's not undue weight, it's the authors views manifest in their written word. Unless the sole intent is to provide a simple resume, the views held by a writer (a civil society commentator, no less) are explicitly relevent. CanuckMike (talk) 05:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

None of the 3 sources state that Applebaum's opinions specifically were "controversial": one is just her reply to readers, and the other 2 do not mention her at all. Secondly, characterizing Polanski as "convicted statutory rapist Roman Polanski" is probably undue weight as that is not what he is primarily known for, despite recent events. Finally, how is this particular opinion of Applebaum's notable? This is just one column from an extensive career? Kevin (talk) 03:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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