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Please don't issue bogus "warnings"

Your “warning” was meant, I suppose, to deflect attention from your own conduct. The IP in question – which you supported – has since been blocked for deceptively hiding his/her identity to avoid scrutiny. Though it was completely obvious this was happening even before the block, you nevertheless ignored the warning signs, including the incredibly inappropriate comments the IP sock emitted on talk, comments which you refused to discuss in any way, other than to assert I was wrong to bring them up. Which is curious, isn’t it? I’m wrong to criticize the IP sock’s remarks, but you refuse to say why the IP sock’s remarks are in fact appropriate. Indeed, you kept insisting I “drop it,” which I in fact did – and then you decide to aid this process by… issuing bogus warnings to me? I won’t “warn” you back, but I will offer a piece of unsolicited advice. What you are doing now could be construed as an abuse of your sysop role – indeed, I think it’s quite clear that it is. I highly recommend that you give a serious rethink to your approach here. I’m sorry if I’ve gotten under your skin, but inappropriate threats are an unhelpful reaction. IronDuke 13:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

So now it's "clear ... abuse" of my "sysop role"? You seem to have quite a fertile imagination IronDuke. However, I'm sure you won't be taking any action against me for this alleged "clear abuse", anymore than you were prepared to do more than make insinuations at the I/P page - because you know in either case you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. At this point I am not planning to take this matter further, because I am not a litigious Wikipedian and because I think everyone is entitled to a second chance - even though I'm sure you've been hanging around this project long enough by now to know better. However, I do want to make it clear that I'm not prepared to tolerate being made the subject of completely baseless and offensive insinuations - made the minute I dare venture back momentarily into the IP topic area. As you surely must realize, that is precisely the kind of WP:BATTLEGROUND conduct ARBPIA was established to prevent. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 05:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Will I be "taking action" against you? Not likely. Getting an admin even admonished is very, very difficult on WP. And I'm not particularly wiki-litigious myself. That doesn't mean your behavior here has been acceptable -- it hasn't. And certainly, if it were part of a larger pattern, this incident would be a compelling bit of evidence all on its own. But, following your lead, I am prepared to give you a "second chance." And you should feel free to edit in the I-P area wherever and whenever you like -- I certainly won't be tracking those edits. But if I do encounter you engaging in the same sorts of behavior, I will once again object. If that means you then attempt to engage the cumbersome wiki-bureaucracy to silence me, you're welcome to try. That a tatcic like that shouldn't work doesn't mean it won't. Cheers. IronDuke 20:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

you got cat class and you got cat style

Don't get drawn into his game Gato. Trust the intelligence of even casual readers. Your meaning was clear, and judicious, all strenuous and exasperating innuendo aside.--G-Dett (talk) 00:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL, thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

DYKVerified

Is there a method of adding this script to my toolbox? I'd like to try it out for a while. Gatoclass (talk) 06:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes of course. Just add:

importScript('User:Bawolff/DYKVerified.js');

To special:mypage/monobook.js (change monobook to vector if you use vector, or whatever skin you use). Currently its triggered to look for <span id='DYKUpdateVerified'/> and replace it with a button (if you have the script installed, it should appear here: ). If you want to add it to a link in the toolbox, just add (in addition to the importScript line):

addOnloadHook(function () {addPortletLink('p-tb', 'javascript:DYKUpdateVerified();void%200', 'Update DYKVerified');});

Cheers, let me know what you think (the updates will appear in User:Bawolff/DYKVerified) . Bawolff (talk) 07:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done that, looking forward to giving it a try :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

A note

One of the plans after the Arbs moved to ban me was a second mentorship proposal where I would be restricted to article space, not allowed to post on talk pages, not allowed to revert, I could nominate DYK, GAs, and FAs but I couldn't edit in response, and that I'd have a page of admins only that I would request various things and they could either approve or veto with no discussion from me.

As Wizardman said, none of the Arbs voting to ban me thought I deserved it. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, they have looked at all the evidence and I haven't. Personally I would have thought something like that a more appropriate response, I can't see what a ban will achieve, but it looks like they've made their mind up already. Gatoclass (talk) 16:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, there were 7 active people really. 2 should have recused. They ignored both mentorship plans. The chat proves that they made up their minds before anything was said. The finding of facts doesn't verify a ban. You'd think they would pad it with some real problems - try to find edit warring, some real nastiness, or something. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

As I said, unlike them, I have not reviewed all the evidence. But we do seem to have swung from an arbcom that didn't do enough about problems, to one that sometimes overreacts. I tend to think that our entire dispute resolution system is too arbitrary, problems will often fester interminably with no effective action taken at all, until finally when action is taken, it's too harsh. Personally, I've often thought it would make more sense to have some sort of graded sanction system so that sanctions get progressively harsh as offences are repeated. I mean, in a real judicial system, one has set penalties for offences, not normally a situation where a judge can hand out anything from a parking ticket to a hangman's noose depending on the prevailing mood.

In your case, it seems to me that as there is a general consensus you've made a worthwhile contribution to mainspace, it would make more sense to allow you to continue to edit but to tighten up the conditions for participation elsewhere. My impression is that the main problem is that you don't know when to walk away from a dispute, so if admins were empowered to hand out short blocks or bans when you were filibustering, it would probably address 90% of the problem. I'm suprised that arbcom has decided to go further - particularly when the community itself seemed to have accepted the less draconian solution - but that's the chance one takes at RFAR. Gatoclass (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, take care. Though we fought over the little things, I think it was the right choose to support your adminship because you do a lot of good for DYK. :) Take care. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Or, what I said before: "Support My experience with Gatoclass has proven that he is fair, neutral, and tries to go out of his way to help the project. This alone would make a good admin. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)"

- Ottava Rima (talk) 16:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your review of Cyber Rights, and the kind comment. Much appreciated. :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Balinese history

'Puputan' - try http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Per_Honor_et_Gloria - thats where the comment came from SatuSuro 09:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

You mean, that's where the article came from? Okay, but the article talk page is also a legitimate place for such a query. Gatoclass (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Of course it is - I agree entirely - but in this case I did nothing to his text - and in the Indonesian project we are often visited by fly by editors - who dump articles (or attempts) and are never seen again - so there is a certain level of skepticism on my part in relation to expecting a reply within a reasonable amount of time, unfortunately SatuSuro 09:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I am proved wrong - it has been noted and changed - I will gladly eat my own edits with vasts amount of christmas pudding on that one SatuSuro 06:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

DYKVerified

Currently it does not copy stuff in the section Older nominations Since i assumed they are no longer of interest (being older and all). The original version of the script did not copy the holiday section, that should be fixed now (do a hard refresh to make the script update itself). Does that account for all the missing entries? or are there more still missing? Bawolff (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks, Nobo, same to you :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Design 1105 ship

I noticed you created the Design 1013 ship article, and wondered whether you could do the same for the Design 1105 ship. I've just got as far as Empire Buffalo (ex Eglantine) in the Empire B ships and found that this ship was a Design 1105 ship. I've started a template in my sandbox, please feel free to tweak it as necessary. I'm not sure that the link to the list of US Navy auxilary ships is correct here. Mjroots (talk) 08:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little busy right now but I could probably whip one up sometime over the next few days if you can wait that long. Gatoclass (talk) 10:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Of course I can wait. I just need the template up and running (and added to the existing linked ship's page), article can wait a few days. Mjroots (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean about the list of aux. ships - but I notice they are also on the Design 1013 ships template, and they were not strictly speaking auxiliary ships either. So perhaps some other list would be more appropriate. Anyhow, I guess it won't hurt to have the aux. ships list there until a more appropriate list can be found. Gatoclass (talk) 12:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a link to Skinner & Eddy would be more appropriate? Mjroots (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that would work, there were half a dozen companies that built 1013s. Gatoclass (talk) 14:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

But only Skinner & Eddy built the 1105s? Mjroots (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm not really sure what the bottom link is supposed to be reserved for anyway - or even if it's required. But I was just thinking, maybe in this case it should be for a "List of USSB freighters" or something? Of course, someone would eventually have to create such a list for the link ... Gatoclass (talk) 15:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Did you mean this book on Marine steam engine?

Hi, you added a <ref> tag with the name sennettoram12 to Marine steam engine, but it didn't work correctly, because there was no reference in that article with this name yet. I fixed that, but I want to make sure I did it correctly. Did you mean page 12 of the book Sennett, R.; Oram, H. J. (1911). The Marine Steam Engine. ASIN B0029KWE4E.? Svick (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for advice

Hi Gatoclass,

I am writing to ask you for some advice about how to proceed to have the actions User:Sandstein over the last two days reviewed. I'm not sure if you have been following what has happened, but a couple of days ago, Sandstein topic-banned User:Nableezy for another two months based on this WP:AE report. As you can see by the ensuing discussion on his talk page here, seven editors have expressed their shock/disagreement/dismay regarding the decision, which came only a couple of days after Nableezy's last controversial two-month topic ban had ended. The ostensible infraction was two edits Nableezy made over a month ago to the Jonathan Cook AfD, restoring the comments of Nishidani and Nickhh, which other editors had deleted, citing their topic bans as a rationale.

Following this newest topic ban, Nableezy made a poor decision to issue a legal threat to Sandstein, so that he would block him. He was blocked indefinitely by Chillum, with said block lifted by Gwen Gale after he retracted the threat and apologized. Nableey put a retirement template on his page and stopped editing altogether after that. Until today, when he filed a sockpuppet investigation report against Lovely Day350. He was then blocked for 24 hours by Sandstein for violating his topic ban. (See User talk:Nableezy). He is now talking about coming out of retirement to protest Sandstein's actions against him.

I was wondering how best to proceed with getting a review of the entire situation. I believe Sandstein has abused his admin tools in placing the topic ban and subsequent block on Nableezy. I say this because he effectively wheel-warred a prior decision by Tznaki in which he decline to take action regarding Nableezy's edits to the Jonathan Cook AfD, in a complaint filed on that issue previously (See here.) I realize this is a long, complicated story and that you are quite busy with other things (as we all are). However, any advice you have on how best to approach this issue would be deeply appreciated.

Thanks. Tiamut 18:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is a draft rundown of what has happened User:Tiamut/Sandstein's ban of Nableezy. Its still missing some diffs, but you can get an idea of the general sketch. Tiamut 22:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Replied via email. Gatoclass (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)