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This user who is deleting the photo loves it as a hobby

So what should my mother say to release it here as free? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not going to be easy, I'm afraid. This image has been previously published elsewhere, which means that we must confirm her authority carefully. The image seems to have been taken backstage at the awards ceremony during the press photography gathering. Having her provide her professional credentials would certainly be a good first step, to verify that she would have had access, as would asking her to send a high resolution version of the image rather than the low resolution version currently on Misplaced Pages. --Moonriddengirl 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Well theres millions of the same picture everywhere of Selena so you don't have proof that I just took it off the internet, secondly yes she did took it backstage. And how does she do that? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

We don't need to prove that you just took it off the internet; when it exists elsewhere, you need to prove that you did not. This is Misplaced Pages's policy. If your mother is a professional photographer, she should have professional credentials that she can use to verify. She could, for example, identify the press agencies she worked for and supply verification of this. Of course, if she took the photograph as a professional photographer, she may also need to verify that she did not do so as a work for hire for the press agency that obtained her access. But supplying a higher resolution image from her negative ought to help. --Moonriddengirl 16:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

What's a higher resolution image? And she's not going to that at all because that's her personal information, oh well I guess the photo is going to be deleted, such a shame that Misplaced Pages is so lame HAHAHAHA. AJona1992 (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I gather you must be young; forgive me if I'm mistaken, but when conversation devolves to the point of "Misplaced Pages is so lame HAHAHAHA", I presume that I am not talking to an adult. If your mother is a professional photographer, as you say, she will know what I mean by "higher resolution image". It should be no problem for her to comply. You can ask her about it, and I'm sure she'd be happy to give you a detailed explanation and perhaps even show you an example from her own work. In terms of her personal information, very likely that information was already publicized by whomever hired her to take that photograph at the time, but if you feel she would not wish it publicized here, then, yes, certainly the image will be deleted. --Moonriddengirl 16:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I gather that your stupid; forgive me if no one told you that if ANYONE dares to talk shit or says something to me that is offensive then I will attack back. I don't hold shit in so don't get it twisted. I am not going to tell her at all, you just have gotten me pissed at your stupid comment that you made. So go delete it and have joy in doing so, "haha oh look at me I'm deleting a photo OMG this is so fun yay yay" that's how you sound HAHAHHAAH. Lame.

It seems that in addition to our copyright policies, you may need to become familiar with our policy against personal attacks. This in itself can result in your account being blocked, which would be a shame if you're truly interested in working on these articles. --Moonriddengirl 16:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Your the one who keeps attacking me with your stupid comments about me and the photos, I dont back down so if your going to contiune to attack me then hell yea bring it on. AJona1992 (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:AGFC#Good faith and copyright. There is no attack in presuming you are unfamiliar with our copyright policies and advising you how to comply. --Moonriddengirl 16:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Well by saying this "I gather you must be young; forgive me if I'm mistaken, but when conversation devolves to the point of "Misplaced Pages is so lame HAHAHAHA", I presume that I am not talking to an adult" is no way to talk to me. Oh well no one told you that I dont back down, if you want to talk things through lets do it other wise I'm not going to let some girl I don't even know talk to me like I'm a peace of shit. Hell no. AJona1992 (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't equate being "young" with being "a piece of shit", though it does seem that I've offended you. Certainly, that wasn't my intention. Since Misplaced Pages has no age requirement, I was unsure of your age and if your mother would be a better person to explain photography resolution to you than I. In terms of backing down, the attitude your taking is also likely to lead you to trouble on Misplaced Pages. Please see Misplaced Pages:Disruptive editing. This kind of thing is not productive. You need to be able to discuss your differences calmly and politely with others, even if they are girls you don't know. --Moonriddengirl 16:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Well you should've never pissed me off with your comment about my age, about the photos, and about where you found the photo. You should've never kept putting up polices here about me being disruptive when you should take your own adivce. You need to learn how to come at people, as you can see I was poliet in asking how should my mother do so in keeping this photo, and asking you various of questions in what I do not understand. But yet you think I'm not going to react when you insulted me and offended me with your comment, but oh no you should know that just because I may be poliet doesnt mean that I'm a p****. I don't take shit from no one if you want to talk then talk, dont come on my talk page bringing your useless comments. Peace out. AJona1992 (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I have answered each of your questions to the best of my ability. I do wonder, though, if you really feel that "such a shame that Misplaced Pages is so lame HAHAHAHA." is being polite. It was this comment that made me wonder if I was addressing a youth, so it obviously predated my comment that offended you. --Moonriddengirl 16:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Because of this "Well theres millions of the same picture everywhere of Selena so you don't have proof that I just took it off the internet, secondly yes she did took it backstage." (what I said) then you said this "We don't need to prove that you just took it off the internet; when it exists elsewhere, you need to prove that you did not. This is Misplaced Pages's policy." I have been trying to show proof but f*** this you was coming at me very rudely. I will just upload a new picture another day. AJona1992 (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not rude; that's a statement of fact. It is as true of me as an administrator and an OTRS volunteer as it is of any other contributor. Misplaced Pages's policy is not discriminatory. I do have to warn you, though, that the end of your comment sounds like a threat. Our copyright policy requires that you verify permission for images that you upload that have been published elsewhere. If you keep uploading pictures without doing this, even if they are different pictures, you may be blocked or not allowed to upload any more images at all. There have already been two images uploaded by you at File:Selena12.jpg that have been deleted for copyright concerns; the one you have now was in fact already deleted following this discussion. --Moonriddengirl 17:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Selena

1. I can't speak for anyone else on Misplaced Pages, but speaking for myself, I have never met you, or even encountered you on Misplaced Pages before (as far as I know) so why would I dislike you?
2. Selena is a deceased pop star that I had never heard of until a few days ago. Why would I dislike her?
3. When have I ever "threatened you"?--BelovedFreak 16:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think you need to re-read it again, I didn't say that YOU didn't like her nor didn't like me. I was talking about other contribitors who dislike me and my actions and I can't do anything because they will only warn me about getting banned again. AJona1992 (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

No one's out to get you. Mike Allen 03:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I know that but it's like everything I do its wrong when really its the truth I just can't find any sources but sources from magazines, newspapers, and TV specials but theres not source over the internet and I guess, by the way everyone reverts everything I do, theres a rule aganist it. AJona1992 (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I re-read it, and fair enough, I can accept that you might have been talking about other people not liking you. (I concur with the comment above; no-one's out to get you). However, your comment about threatening you was clearly directed at me: "Also YOU need to know that YOU should NEVER threaten me EVER because I don't play fair nor do I back down from ANYONE as you can tell on my old talk page. I know theres rules and stuff like that but once you cross me I can be just as mean as anyone maybe even worse". Was that really fair?--BelovedFreak 08:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The comment that you made (so I suggest you add some sources to the time line, or it will be removed.) could've been said a little better, the way you threw that at me wasn't very nessary. That comment really didn't sit well with me. AJona1992 (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well I'm sorry you took it that way, it certainly wasn't my intention to "threaten" you or to imply any kind of power to ruin your work or take it away from you. The thing is, WP:V is a very important part of Misplaced Pages, and it's really up to the editor adding information to make sure they provide sources. Otherwise, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed" - it can be removed by any editor, and that's what I meant. I wasn't actually intending to remove it myself immediately, preferring to discuss it first, but when I looked at it more closely, I realised that there is contentious information about a living person (Yolanda Saldívar). The Biographies of living persons policy is also taken very seriously at Misplaced Pages. Information about living people must be sourced very carefully, especially information that is contentious or might be challenged. It doesn't matter if that person is a convicted criminal - it still applies. And really, it's the kind of detail that needs proper sourcing anyway, even if all the people involved were dead.

Now, as for sources, did you read the two pages I linked to at Talk:Selena? If not, have a look and see if things are any clearer. If you're still not sure, let me know some examples of sources you want to cite and I'll help you with it.--BelovedFreak 17:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I already reply to your message, I'm still waiting for you to answer back. AJona1992 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

That's my answer above. :) Do you have some examples of magazine sources you want to use? Then i can show you how to format them as citations.--BelovedFreak 19:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok from the "Death of Selena" I got that information from VH1's "Famous Crime Scene: Selena" other magazines that I use that has Selena information are TV Y Novelas, People, People en espanol, Entertainment Weekly, TV Y Notas, People Special Books (Gone Too Soon, American Murders, and Famous Great Lives) and that's just some examples of magazines she has appered on. AJona1992 (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so for the television episode, you can use a template like {{Cite episode}}, and fill it in something like this (I got the details from IMDb):

{{Cite episode | title = Selena | episodelink = | series = Famous Crime Scene | serieslink = Famous Crime Scene | credits = Director: Christopher Martin | network = ] | airdate = March 12, 2010 | season = 1 | number = 5 | minutes = | quote = }}

This would show up in the references like this:

Christopher Martin (March 12, 2010). "Selena". Famous Crime Scene. Season 1. Episode 5. VH1. {{cite episode}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |episodelink= (help); Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help)

If possible, you can add the point at which the relevant piece of information appears in the episode, by putting the number of minutes into it, in the "minutes" field of the template. That's kind of the equivalent of citing page numbers in a book. It makes it easier for a reader to find the information in the source. For the magazines, you can use a template like {{Cite journal}}, making sure to add page numbers, author names, date, issue number, publisher etc. Have a go, and let me know if you need some more help.--BelovedFreak 20:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Like at the end, under references? AJona1992 (talk) 21:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, where do you mean? --BelovedFreak 22:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Should I place the citations below the reference section of any article? AJona1992 (talk) 22:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Between <ref> tags like you have done before.--BelovedFreak 16:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hoping to help things

Hello AJona. As a regular at the FAR page I noticed that you are involved in the review of Selena. Now, you said "everyone is always negative about my edits to that page." I looked at the article's history and, while you have been editing it for its benefits, I do however see inexperience. Also, Death of Selena, an article you created about her terrible murder, is a little unnecessary. I like that it could be made into a Good Article like Death of John Lennon. But in its current condition, merging with the Selena article is probably the best thing to do. With that all being said, I would like to help you on Misplaced Pages. I would be mentoring you on ways to have more experience. If you wish to not ask for help, I understand. GamerPro64 (talk) 04:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Well at first, I created a sandbox for "Death of Selena" until I had suitable sources. But since you think that it would be best to merge it in the article, the only thing that is bothering me is that all that information might be shrunk, removed, or just only the lead will be on that section. I would consider that article being merged if all that work can be merged into the Selena article. I would like you to help me, I love getting help from other contributers here, so thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 16:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

After comparing the two articles together, the Selena article has most of everything the other article has. However, I could see that the part about her dying two days before her anniversary with her husband being added to the main article. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok well I'm talking about the timeline as well, would it be in a list format or an article written format? I am still waiting to see if I can use footnotes for the unsourced information give from Magazines and TV Specials. AJona1992 (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright

Text, I'm afraid, is no different than images. Content you added here is identical to material previously published elsewhere, including