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I took the liberty of improving the English of the translated quotation in the "Quotes" section. However, I'd love to see the original to verify that it is translated correctly. It's not in the (rather extensive) Romanian-language Misplaced Pages article from which I have been drawing most of this material. -- Jmabel 07:17, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I've brought in the list of Awards and Medals from the Romanian-language site. However, I'm a little skeptical about its accuracy, especially (1) the vagueness of the first New York listing and (2) the actual names of the various medals. I see essentially the same list reproduced around the web, apparently first published in Romanian and then translated or mistranslated from there. If someone who likes to do the kind of research that actually involves hitting library archives rather than just browsing the web wants to work on one aspect of this article, that list might merit a good fact-check. -- Jmabel 08:11, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

"Liceu" is romanian for "Highschool" 19 Dec 03

Agreed, in terms of the age of the students but the word is well-known in English (from the French) and the curriculum, as I understand it, resembles a French liceu far more than an American high school. Similarly, in an article about a German, I would not translate gymnasium. -- Jmabel 17:38, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

User:Greyengine5 recently changed "the world's first jet plane" to "the world's first thermojet aircraft." There were also some other related edits. I believe he is subtantially correct (a thermojet is not the same thing as what we usually call a "jet"), but I do believe that this was the first aircraft to use jet propulsion of any sort. Unless I am wrong (and this is not an area were I am expert), the article should say as much. -- Jmabel 17:33, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

From opening paragraph: "the parent of the modern jet aircraft." Hardly. His jet engine was nothing like a modern jet and his aircraft crashed on its only outing (amendment made to later section). I would suggest rewording along the lines of "one of the precursors of jet aircraft", but leave out 'modern' (he used a piston to to drive the compressor rather than a turbine) and 'the' (he was one of many, not The). What do others think? Emeraude 23:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I strongly suspect that "precursor" would be a better choice. - Jmabel | Talk 03:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Coanda himself described this 1910 aircraft in great detail in numerous patents. It was a ducted fan. No fuel injection, no combustion. This is also how it was described at the Paris air-show. His pathetic attempts to steal the cradit for other people's inventions 30 years later are just sad.Romaniantruths (talk) 15:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)Romaniantruths (talk) 15:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

WW2

Where and how did he spent World War II? --Error 00:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

This article is practically devoid of any information on the man after the age of 30. Cripipper 12:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well there is this reference I found on page 174 of Flight International: "Two years after the fall of France - towards the end of 1942 - M. Coanda recieved a contract from the Germans for the developement of a propulsion system for ambulance snow sleds, ostensibly for use in Russia..." Romaniantruths (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

This proposal is probably related to the Sled he made for the Czar Back before WWI. The old sled is described in contemporary reports as being driven by a ducted fan like device (popular mechanics, Mar 1911). This makes sense since what I've seen of the Flight International article about the sled he designed to assist the Nazi war effort discusses Coanda using venturis to increase the thrust of his sled. This also raises some question about his post-WWII claims that his 'turbo-propulseur' was a motorjet and not just a ducted fan. Romaniantruths (talk) 22:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Henri Coandă - the parent of the modern jet aircraft

In the history of the aviation Coandă is credited for two major discoveries: The Coanda-1910 airplane and the Coandă effect. The revolutionary plane that Coandă built in 1910 was way ahead of its time by the fact that it had no propeller and it used a reactive jet for propulsion; The issue is that he was the very first to build a jet engine, regardless of the technology; of course, in today's jet engine, the technology used is the gas turbine and not the thermojet, but this doesn't change the fact that he was the first who thought of that.

A simple search on the references will guide you the same answer: Coandă is credited today 100 % as the father of the modern jet aircraft.Cristibur 03:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's take a look at the sources in the article:

• says "This was 30 years prior to Heinkle, Campini, and Whittle who have been considered the 'fathers' of jet flight"
• is a dead link
• is a list of his patents, so doesn't help us
• doesn't state he's the father/parent of jet flight

So the only one of the references to discuss this subject says that Heinkle, Campini and Whittle are considered the fathers of jet flight. Let's look at a few more through Google. This Wired article describes him as the "father of the jet engine" (my emphasis) not jet flight or aircraft. This geek.com comment does describe Coanda as the "father of jet planes" but isn't a reliable source. This is another blog entry, so again not reliable for our purposes.

So, please provide a reliable source for this statement, otherwise its just original research. I've added a citation needed tag to it. Thanks, Gwernol 03:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Discovery Channel Europe Cristibur 02:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

That says "godfather of the modern jet aircraft", which is a colloquialism that does not mean the same as "father of..." or "parent of...". Even if we accepted this, we also need to look at , , , , , , , , , etc. etc. For every citation that Coanda is the "father of the jet age" there are 10-100 that say its someone else. Claiming "Coandă is credited today 100 % as the father of the modern jet aircraft" is simply untrue.

We don't give undue weight to minority opinions. I'm sorry, but this statement really can't stay in the article. I'm going to change it so that it reflects the facts: he was the inventor of the thermojet. Gwernol 02:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

(" ... a thermojet is still a jet ...") ... and still searching (I don't have too much time right now) ... btw no need to hurry about the changing, there will be quite a debate. Cristibur 02:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the thermojet is still a jet, that was not the question. What I'm disputing is "Coandă is credited today 100 % as the father of the modern jet aircraft" which is clearly not true. Its not even true to say that some people say he is the father of the modern jet aircraft; almost no-one makes this claim. Its such a minority view that it shouldn't be included in the article. Just stick to the fact, that he was the inventor of the thermojet. There is no need to make falsely inflated claims for him: let his real achievements stand on their own - they are very impressive. Gwernol 02:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I have mixed opinions on this (it's my blog which is linked to above, btw). On the one hand, the Coanda-1910 was powered by a thermojet; a thermojet is a jet; ergo the Coanda-1910 was a jet aircraft, and the first such. On the other, it was a technological dead-end which, as far as I can tell, had little or no influence on the aircraft designers who developed the direct ancestors of the jets we use today. I think it is fair to say that aviation historians generally wouldn't consider Coanda "the father of the jet aircraft" (after all, the Coanda-1910 never achieved sustained, controlled flight) -- whether that's fair or not can be debated, but it's the current consensus view which should be summarised in Misplaced Pages. Airminded 03:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

This looks more and more like a popularity contest to me. Did you guys try searching Google in Romanian, German or Italian? The technological progress happens through trial, testing and error. And it happens in increments. Coanda had an accident, he should have continued working on the jet engine. Had he done so, I have no doubt that he would have reached the same solutions as Whittle and von Ohain latter. Unfortunately, at his time, the normal propeller engine had a lot of potential left, and Coanda could get no more funding for his unconventional jet engine. The funding appeared only when the propeller engine reached its limit, after 30 years. And it is possible that Whittle, von Ohain and Campini knew about his attempts. Even if the people forget, the scientific community does not forget easily. Campini even built his plane in the same place where Coanda built his. Saying that Campini was one of the fathers but Coanda was not makes no sense to me.67.81.182.37 02:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Why do you think it's possible that Whittle, Von Ohain, or Campini knew about his attempts? He never made any attempts. The 1910 Coanda was a ducted fan design, and was described as such at the paris air show. All contemporary accounts make this clear, as they also make clear that he never got off the ground. The story about it being a jet didn't come into existence until after WWII, and is completely unsubstantiated. Romanianlies (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Have a look at the the talk page for Coanda 1910 Romaniantruths (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

And while you're at it look at the patents for Coanda's turbopropulseur. They describe the device in great detail, as patents do, but say NOTHING about the injection or combustion of fuel.Romaniantruths (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

The very description is clear: "the plane used a 4-cylinder piston engine to power a compressor, which was intended to propel the craft by a combination of suction at the front and airflow out the rear instead of using a propeller. The nature of this drive system is clearly described in several patents Coanda took out on it in 1910(French), and 1911" this is NOT the description of a ducted fan, however someone tries to name it such. It is the description of a reactive engine. There is no fan or ducted fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.118.2.13 (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the description is that of a ducted fan. Look at the diagrams and see the centrifugal fan, and the duct it sits in. Calling it something else doesn't change what it is. But I can see that at least you're in full agreement with me that it's not a jet. Romaniantruths (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Caravelle and Coanda - surely not?

The article states

"the Coandă-1916, with two propellers mounted close to the tail; this design was to be reprised in the "Caravelle" transport aeroplane, for which Coandă was a technical consultant."

I'd fix the link to point to the Caravelle Airliner, if there was any evidence linking this twin jet design with a twin pusher propellor one I've never seen. Is that the right Caravelle? Number774 (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

COANDA FRAUD

Does anyone have ANY evidence that this thing was a jet? Of course not. All the patents Coanda filed describe this as a ducted fan, all the coverage of the 1910 air show it was shown at describe it as a ducted fan. Coanda tried to use forged documents to grab the credit for others inventions, but his forgery was pathetic and fooled nobody.Romaniantruths (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC) A 4-cylinder piston engine to power a compressor is not a "ducted fan" or a kind of "ducted fan". It is a thermojet. Is there any evidence for any fraud? I haven't seen such, but the very acid comments of a biased person who signs under "Romaniantruths" nickname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.118.2.13 (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Try looking up the word thermojet, if you learn what one is then maybe you'll be able to understand why you're completely wrong. It has compressed air mixed with fuel and burned to produce thrust. Coanda's very lame attempt at a ducted fan had no fuel injection and no combustion. And it also had no usable thrust. Ample evidence of his sorry attempts at fraud are available to anyone who looks for them. You could try looking up Coanda 1910 on wikipedia for starters. Then when you see the clear evidence of his ridiculous lies you can let us know how wrong you were.Romaniantruths (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you mention the name and pages from some old magazines which nobody can verify what is exactly write there you prouve just nothing, just your own frustrations, Romaniantruths. Either you present the pages or the brevets, a facsimile or something, either you agree with mainstream believe and scientific world who say it was the first jet engine and first jet aircraft. Yes, it was a rudimentar jet engine and aircraft, a thermojet or air-jet, and not a turbojet, but there are too ramjets or scramjets etc. not just the turbojet, fact is he was the first who put a jet engine created by him on a plane (a revolutionary plane not just regarding the propulsion system) created by him. Do you think that if his invention wasnt true, academic researchers, French Academy and so on, wouldnt react and reveal the truth? Its just some british frustration who try to stole this reality, and make them look like the inventors of jet engine and jet planes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.208.215 (talk) 08:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyone can verify all these references on the internet, which is where I got them. Since you are having trouble performing this basic task I'll make it childishly simple for you(not that I am in any way suggesting that you are childishly simple, you are obviously a mature and brilliant individual). Go to the Henri Coanda page. Scroll down to the bottom. Click on "The Patents Of Henri Coanda". Read his patents for the turbopropulseur, where he describes it in his own clear and unambiguous words as to function. These patents describe a ducted fan, and not a jet. The other references can all be found on google books, which I assume you can figure out for yourself. These references mostly predate the invention of the jet engine, and Henri Coanda's shameful attempt to steal the credit for this invention from all those who played some role in it's developement. I might also add that websites repeating Coanda's various and inconsistant stories are not evidence of anything but the fact that a lot of websites do shoddy research(all they had to do was examine his patents.) You have made various points in your statement which really should be refuted, such as the way you set yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of 'mainstream believe and scientific world', but I can tell from your note that you are an individual of rare qualities and high-minded Ideals who will see the error of your ways as soon as you follow those directions and read the references. Romaniantruths (talk) 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

"You could try looking up Coanda 1910 on wikipedia for starters" -- of course, this page was heavily edited by you and thus it proves your point. Genius! Hey, do you know what Misplaced Pages cannot be used as reference, maybe exactly because of this little detail. Also tone down your rhetoric "lies", "lier", "shameful attempt", "Romanianlies" or "Romaniantruths" doesn't make you look like an impartial observer. man with one red shoe 19:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Try looking up Coanda 1910 on Misplaced Pages for starters because the Coanda 1910 is what you're whining about, Redfoot. There you can find some things called 'references', and something else called a 'talk page',which is where the Coanda 1910 would naturally be discussed. In addition, If you spent less time whining about my choice of words, and more time actually reading the posts you're commenting about you'd see that directions to finding all these references so childishly simple that you shouldn't have too much problem following them are listed above on this very page.Romaniantruths (talk) 16:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I didnt find any "turbopropulseur" there, maybe you can be more specific and point out exactly where you find that patent, and give a direct link. There is anyway the French patent 418.401 from 1910 where the engine and turbine details are presented, and other pictures and details are in archives of Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace in Paris. And they never put in question the fact that Coanda 1910 had a jet engine, quite contrary they always presented it as an avantgarde aircraft with a new propusion system. Not the "turbojet" as is used today, but neverthless a "jet" engine of a more rudimentar type. Coanda presented his ideas about jet suported flight in 1910 at Superori Aeronautic School in Paris and in french magazine "La Tehnique Aeronautique", in june 1910.

I understand you have a favourite as the "father of jet flight", but the history is not always as we wish to be. Henri Coanda is the inventor of jet engine (air-jet or thermo-jet or motor-jet, how you wish to call it) and builder of the first jet propelled aircraft. Yes, an english and an german will create some 30 years later the "turbo-jet", a new jet more fiabile and powerful, but fact is that first "jet" was the one of Coanda, and except some fanboys from Britain (or maybe even Germany) who doesnt recognize that, scholars and scientific world never deny this  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.207.189 (talk) 08:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Turbopropulseur is what he called his ducted fan. If you can't figure out which of the patents cover his ducted fan, try looking up the patent numbers I listed in the references and on the discussion page for coanda 1910, and on the Henri coanda page as well. They've probably been deleted without discussion again by another anonymous Romanian I.P. fanboy with a 1-hour editing history( do you know anyone like that, 79.116.207.189?), but they're still in the history. I don't see any French patent 418.401 listed under the patents of Henri Coanda, nor do I see where you've suggested this mysterious patent might be found. I see you also expect your stories about magazine articles and museum displays that supposedly prove your point to be taken as true. As well as your assertions about how the whole world views this shameful liar Coanda. Are there special rules that only apply to you for some reason? I see you have this Coanda as your favorite as the 'father of jet flight' but, as you say, "the history is not always as wish to be'. I have never made any assertions as to the father of jet flight other than to say that this Coanda person obviously isn't it. I also see you have referred to the turbopropulseur as an air-jet in your tendentious screed. Does this mean that you're willing to admit that there was no fuel injection or combustion going on in the Coanda 1910 engine?Romaniantruths (talk) 16:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you dont trust "my stories" about some magazines, why to trust yours? And why do you think the French Air and Space Museum who have that patent doesnt say that Coanda 1910 wasnt a "jet" aircraft? Why do you think peoples who write those books in the bibliography presented here (not by me) said Coanda was the inventor of the jet engine? Do you think they didnt study a little before to write their books, and you, an anonymus guy from wikipedia with a an agenda of your own, know better? The engine was clearly not a simple "ducted fan" as you try to imply, but a "motorjet, thermojet, airjet", however is called, and is clearly a "jet", wheter you liked or not. The one thing that's common to all "jet" engines (thermojet, turbojet, ramjet, scramjet, rocket if you wish) is that they expel essentially heated or compressed air to propel the aircraft. And Coanda 1910 cleary had such an engine. Observing the burning gases expelled by the engine Coanda discovered later the "Coanda effect" and based on that he have 2 patents (in France again), one about the "Coanda effect" and one about the "aerodina lenticulara"/flying saucer, a discoidal flying machine who use jet engines and Coanda effect to fly. And guess what, he send that patent in 1932 and was aproved in 1934, few years before Whittle or von Ohain obtain their turbojet engine working and years before turbojet rudimentary aircrafts took flight. So the only fraud is in your mind, serious institutions as French Air and Space Museums or scholars from Smithsonian from US clearly afirm that Coanda is indeed the "fatehr of the jet engine" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.207.70 (talk) 19:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I have told you repeatedly where these magazines are available for free reading on the internet. I have also told you repeatedly where to find the patents as well. Have you bothered to read any of them? You're the one who seems to expect any assertion you make to be blindly accepted as the truth. And why do you think that any patent filed years before the invention of the motorjet would say that something wasn't a motorjet? If there really is such a patent it would be filed with the patent office, not the Air and space museum, and it also wouldn't say that the Coanda 1910 wasn't a nuclear reactor, or a flying saucer, or a revolutionary new way to manufacture mentos (the freshmaker!). I also see that you're now trying to expand the definition of jet engine to include anything that emits a jet of gas. This highly dubious assertion would mean that the jet engine was invented by Heron Of Alexandria more than 1500 years earlier. But first things first; are you, or are you not, asserting that the Coanda 1910 burned fuel in it's 'turbopropulseur' (called a 'suction fan' by all those magazines you apparently haven't read), or are you arguing that all ducted fans are jet engines. If you are arguing the latter then we'll have to discuss the various ducted fans Octave Chanute discusses in Progress In Flying Machines, which was published before Coanda even started the seven years it took him to get through high-school.(This is also available for free reading on Googlebooks.)Romaniantruths (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Man, you are the exponent of why wikipedia sucks many times and is not seen as something reliable by many peoples. You erased some 7 books put by someone here, all saying that Coanda made an jet powered aircraft, then you told me to look at "googlebooks"? Are you kiding? Then you put some names of magazines and told me to search for them, without to present a link for them? The patent you said about, conveniently was "erased" then. And real scholars and scientists who work for prestigious institutions are dumb and was tricked by Coanda now? Those images and drawnings of engine i said are in custody of Air Museum, which is something normal.

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