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:: The name of the witness is immaterial to the information about him. We do not name him on the grounds of privacy. As to the rest.. if you are here to soapbox please don't. No one here should have an opinion on this case whilst editing, and instead should be working to reflect content in reliable sources. If you are here with the aim to exonerate these two individuals via Misplaced Pages then it is not in keeping with our ideals and you must stop. --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 23:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC) | :: The name of the witness is immaterial to the information about him. We do not name him on the grounds of privacy. As to the rest.. if you are here to soapbox please don't. No one here should have an opinion on this case whilst editing, and instead should be working to reflect content in reliable sources. If you are here with the aim to exonerate these two individuals via Misplaced Pages then it is not in keeping with our ideals and you must stop. --''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 23:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::Yes. I would suggest taking a look at ]. ''']]]''' 23:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC) | :::Yes. I would suggest taking a look at ]. ''']]]''' 23:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Thank you for trying to update MoMK == | |||
Hi. ] here. I want to thank you for trying to update the article "]" with the latest information, and I think you are about 95% correct in your views, in interpreting the current Misplaced Pages policies. An article that understates the lack of evidence against people would be a violation of ] (by implying guilt) and ] (by omitting the viewpoint of ]), when those people are currently on trial, but the article pretends that "they are convicted" when actually still being judged by a jury of 8 people during a re-trial. The issue with naming the witnesses is still being debated, because there were over 200 witnesses, and unless named, it would seem purposely misleading to not identify specific witnesses. I think it would be allowed to use "A. Curatolo" rather than the full name, but this can be debated at ]. Here, some people might try to suppress your views by claiming you are ]ing, but you, ''definitely'', are allowed to express your views on any subject and your opinions of policies, as related to writing articles on Misplaced Pages. On the contrary, people who try to badger, and attack you, are violating the guideline of "]" which has been elevated, recently, to highest importance, this month, and so people ]ing you are subject to repercussions for their continued, hostile attitudes and violations of many policies, while you seem to have done little wrong. Please do not feel offended: the managers of the ] do not condone the actions of people being so rude and hateful against you; the problem is there are so many hostile people in some areas, and others are getting tired of dealing with them. Normal people do not have time and just prefer not to be around those people. I just wanted to confirm, as a reality check, that managers are aware of the conflicts and are trying to find solutions. So, this is just a friendly notice, and no reply is necessary. Thanks again for trying. -] 03:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC) |
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June 2010
Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Eleuthera, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Please see WP:SOURCE and WP:OR Bento00 (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
MOMK Talk Page
The article you are editing is contentious, and making large scale changes that might be controversial do risk getting reverted - if that occurs you must go to the talk page to discuss the issues and reach a consensus. In fact you need to read the talk page and the archives to get a handle on the various disputes and areas of contention. It really is essential you participate in discussion. --Errant 21:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- If you had read the talk page archives you would see why the name is not used. We err on the side of caution in naming tangentially related people, in this case it was discussed and agreed not to name him. Please do not add his name back to the article as this is a BLP violation. --Errant 22:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
No it is not a BLP violation. The info is correct. BLP violations occur when there is a risk of defamation, such as by presenting false, damaging information. How is this information about Curatola false in any way? Please explain how this info is false or potentially defamatory. It reflects his own statements at the trial. That is it.
This entire article is a BLP violation since it presents Mr. Sollecito and Ms. Knox as guilty of a terrible crime. You and others on that article are defaming two innocent people and violating BLP by blocking exculpatory information from being included and presenting info in the most damaging light. I have read that Mr. Wales has concerns about this article and I can see why, given that neutralizing information is being blocked and skewed. Mr. Wales needs to come back and look again at what is still going on, despite his initial intervention.
I can see that, unless Mr. Wales intervenes, the participation on here by anyone who is not out to hang Mr. Sollecito and Ms. Knox is useless. Did he say that he would come back or follow up? How did he leave things on this article? It was reported on a news site that he was reading books about the case and would follow up. But that was April. Where is he now.— Preceding unsigned comment added by RockSound (talk • contribs)
- He is here, if you have questions why not ask directly?. pablo 22:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I asked him the same a while ago and I only see a lot of talk (on several pages) about what he intends to do but no actions follow. He's human and a regular editor after all.TMCk (talk) 23:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The name of the witness is immaterial to the information about him. We do not name him on the grounds of privacy. As to the rest.. if you are here to soapbox please don't. No one here should have an opinion on this case whilst editing, and instead should be working to reflect content in reliable sources. If you are here with the aim to exonerate these two individuals via Misplaced Pages then it is not in keeping with our ideals and you must stop. --Errant 23:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. I would suggest taking a look at WP:GREATWRONGS. SuperMarioMan 23:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The name of the witness is immaterial to the information about him. We do not name him on the grounds of privacy. As to the rest.. if you are here to soapbox please don't. No one here should have an opinion on this case whilst editing, and instead should be working to reflect content in reliable sources. If you are here with the aim to exonerate these two individuals via Misplaced Pages then it is not in keeping with our ideals and you must stop. --Errant 23:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for trying to update MoMK
Hi. Wikid77 here. I want to thank you for trying to update the article "Murder of Meredith Kercher" with the latest information, and I think you are about 95% correct in your views, in interpreting the current Misplaced Pages policies. An article that understates the lack of evidence against people would be a violation of WP:BLP (by implying guilt) and WP:NPOV (by omitting the viewpoint of reasonable doubt), when those people are currently on trial, but the article pretends that "they are convicted" when actually still being judged by a jury of 8 people during a re-trial. The issue with naming the witnesses is still being debated, because there were over 200 witnesses, and unless named, it would seem purposely misleading to not identify specific witnesses. I think it would be allowed to use "A. Curatolo" rather than the full name, but this can be debated at Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher. Here, some people might try to suppress your views by claiming you are WP:SOAPBOXing, but you, definitely, are allowed to express your views on any subject and your opinions of policies, as related to writing articles on Misplaced Pages. On the contrary, people who try to badger, and attack you, are violating the guideline of "Be Welcoming" which has been elevated, recently, to highest importance, this month, and so people WP:HARASSing you are subject to repercussions for their continued, hostile attitudes and violations of many policies, while you seem to have done little wrong. Please do not feel offended: the managers of the Wikimedia Foundation do not condone the actions of people being so rude and hateful against you; the problem is there are so many hostile people in some areas, and others are getting tired of dealing with them. Normal people do not have time and just prefer not to be around those people. I just wanted to confirm, as a reality check, that managers are aware of the conflicts and are trying to find solutions. So, this is just a friendly notice, and no reply is necessary. Thanks again for trying. -Wikid77 03:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)