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Notification

Hello PANONIAN, This message is to inform you that I asked for an Arbcom warning as has been promised to you here.--Nmate (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Digwuren notice

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose, at their own discretion, sanctions on any editor working on pages broadly related to Eastern Europe if the editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. The committee's full decision can be read at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Final decision. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

PANONIAN, you are posting messages to a thread at WP:AE that is already archived. Nobody is reading these messages, so I suggest you stop posting them. If you think that there is a dispute to resolve, please use the appropriate forum per WP:DR.  Sandstein  06:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Placa Srbska u 9 veku

This map should be titled 10th century; not 9th. During the 9th century, Serbia was still in its infancy, and if anything, Croatia extended over much of Bosnia.

The naming - "Rascia" was not used in this period, but began later , in the 11th. So using Rascia is anachronistic - it was called Srbljia by COnstantine. ALso, there is no such thing as Pannonian Croatia. This is a misnomer. Pannonian Croatia. according to contemporary sources was called Lower Pannonia or Pannonian Principality. No "Croatia".

It is a lovely map otherwise. Slovenski Volk (talk) 11:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok for the names - please provide a single source from the 9th century which says the names "Rascia" and "Pannonian Croatia" (PS: you won't find one). The sources from 9th century Frankish Annals - refer only to "Serbs" and Guduscani (Liburnian Slavs), and Liutevid of Lower Pannonia. No "Croats" until c. 860s, no "Rascia" until 11th century.

The territory: Serbia did not ruled over Travunia, Doclea, etc in the early 800s (ie 9th century). This began to hapen slowly; first with the union of Serbia with Travunia (the marriage union with Belos' daughter), then with Peter Gojnikovic's extension over Bosnia and the ware against Mihailo of Zachlumia in the early 900s (ie 10th century). Serbia reached its peak in the 950s when ruled by Cheslav- exactly when Constantine Porphyrogenitus wrote in DAI that the Serbs ruled Zachlumia, Travunia, Pagania.

These are accurate maps of early 9th century, nid 9th century, and mid 10th century ->

Zhiveli Slovenski Volk (talk) 03:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to take my enquiry into your maps as hostile. As far as I see it, I am merely discussing an interesting topic with a fellow Yugoslav and historian. This is friendly discussion for both our benefits.

Now, you misunderstood my question, and failed in your answer. I asked for a contemporary source (ie a primary source from the 9th century) which states the name "Rascia" and Pannonian Croatia. The Istorijski atlas, Geokarta, Beograd, 1999 as you can see is from the turn of the 21st century. And my maps are not OR; but based on information from credible books. The shading and lack of clear borders are, in fact, more accurate, because we have little solid evidence for what the borders were, if borders even existed back then Slovenski Volk (talk) 07:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't anywhere say that your map was unsourced. And I'm sure the Serbian education system is great. Plenty of literature exists (in English, at least) which has properly assessed the primary sources. I was merely highlighting to you a topic of discussion; which you might wish to address if you wish to make your maps - which are otherwise very nice- 100% accurate. It was not a personal criticism; although you appear to have taken this that way. So forget it. "you can bring a horse to water ......"

Slovenski Volk (talk) 10:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Jabuka

Hallo Pannonian, let me try to explain something to you. You and I, both proud to be from Vojvodina, should keep on searching the truth.

You reverted, “that the village was founded by Slavic fisherman”. "Selo je imalo 15 porodica slovenskog porekla", their names were Stoikov, Stepan, Pavao and Damian) They might be coming from Romania or Bulgaria. Written by a professor, who has been living in Jabuka since 1945.

Between the two world wars there were no Serb colonists settled in Jabuka and consequently they were not expelled from Jabuka. Where should they have lived? In whose houses? Please have a look at „Population and major ethnic groups through history:”

You write: “During the war (from 1941 to 1944), on a location named Stratište near the village, German forces killed more than 10,000 people (Serbs, Jews, and Roma) who mostly were brought from Sajmište concentration camp near Belgrade.” Source: ]. More than 10.000 people! But there are no witnesses, no evidence. I spoke with Romanians from Jabuka, I spoke with Pancevac, the newspaper. No answers, no ideas. According to inhabitants there was an execution in Oct1941. In1945 the partisans were searching for mass graves. What they found, was a mass grave with 21 German people, killed Oct. 24TH 1944. Another error: “After the defeat of Axis Powers, in 1944, one part of German population left from the region, together with defeated German army”. When the German army left the village, unlike in Backa, no one of the settlers was allowed to leave Banat. And: “in 1948, the remaining German population left Yugoslavia because of economic reasons.” The people down there suffered from hunger, coldness and malaria. Those who survived after 200 years woul not have left their homes due economic reasons. After 1948 they were officially free, but without property and without passport. Most of them had to work three more years in mines, in factories, on farms or on the road. The newspaper Pancevac wrote about the village Glogonj, some miles north of Jabuka. The same situation, the same history. Hope I can get some more information about the area. Cordially,--Speidelj (talk) 20:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Answer

If I am accosted........I answer your question , but I do not want to do so on Wladthemlat's talk page.

You are right, at that point, nor was Wladthemlat unconstructive there. Howbeit, Wladthemlat is a SPA user with a strong penchant for trolling, who has no more than 5-6 constructive edits on Misplaced Pages. The others are edit-warring over Hungarian related contents with Hungarian users, and that is all. .

--Nmate (talk) 10:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Funny you would say that Wladthemlat (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, you have a message at my talk page. . Adrian (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Communist Camps

I would appreciate it if you would reinstate the inter-wiki link to the German article from which this material was derived. Also, please do not change the Danube swabian text to German.

The German/Axis camps you added are fine as far as I am concerned, but I see no need to modify what I translated from th German Wiki.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imersion (talk • contribs) 20:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Demographics of Hungary

Hello PANONIAN
Important impact to demographics was also Battle of Lechfeld (Magyar defeat). In this battle is interesting also the amount of Hungarian warriors, because it was very important for invasion of the Hungarians into Western Europe. "According to chronicles, the Hungarian army amounted to 25-50,000 men, but a more realistic figure is 10-25,000 men." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omen1229 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Buhuhu

Of course you're wrong about this... You are wrong with 180 degrees. What can I say, "thanks" for contributing at my block (Buhuhu (talk) 13:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC))

As I said, you are wrong with 180 degrees. I am not him, but one of his biggest enemies. You are helping him with this report. Thanks again (Buhuhu (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC))

I am banned user Iaaasi, one of Nmate's biggest opponents. Nmate will be grateful to you for annihilating this account of me :)) (Buhuhu (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC))

Logic isn't your strongest point, isn't it? You don't need to be a genius to realize that any of accounts listed by you isn't a sock of Nmate (Buhuhu (talk) 14:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC))

Checkuser case

Imminent ArbCom report

"Logic isn't your strongest point, isn't it? You don't need to be a genius to realize that any of accounts listed by you isn't a sock of Nmate"

A rare occasion when I agree with Iaaasi on something. It is true that the checkuser investigation is a legitimate action but blatantly spurious reports may be indictable. So then we will meet at ArbCom as my wrath that your recent gimmick caused me, needs to soothe.--Nmate (talk) 09:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. I felicitate you on that.--Nmate (talk) 15:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Simo Mladenovski, Banatsko selo Jabuka, Skopje, 1988.