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:Hi Bonkers. Depending on the sources provided in the article, the term "best known" could be POV, original research or entirely correct. If a reliable source cited in the article says (for example), "Dan Brown's name is universally associated with his book , ''The Da Vinci Code''," then you've got yourself a good case for retaining the phrase. On the other hand, if the argument for keeping it is something like, "I'd never heard of him until that Tom Hanks movie came out", "all his other books suck", or, "there are fifteen billion Google hits for "Dan Brown + Da Vinci Code", then the use of "best known" is definitely questionable. As with everything regarding Misplaced Pages content, the sources are the key. Therefore, in answer to your question, I'd say you'd need to consider this on a case-by-case basis. ] ]‍] 09:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:Hi Bonkers. Depending on the sources provided in the article, the term "best known" could be POV, original research or entirely correct. If a reliable source cited in the article says (for example), "Dan Brown's name is universally associated with his book , ''The Da Vinci Code''," then you've got yourself a good case for retaining the phrase. On the other hand, if the argument for keeping it is something like, "I'd never heard of him until that Tom Hanks movie came out", "all his other books suck", or, "there are fifteen billion Google hits for "Dan Brown + Da Vinci Code", then the use of "best known" is definitely questionable. As with everything regarding Misplaced Pages content, the sources are the key. Therefore, in answer to your question, I'd say you'd need to consider this on a case-by-case basis. ] ]‍] 09:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::So in other words, are you saying that so long as the "best known" sentence is cited by a ''reliable'' source, it is alright to retain it? Cheers, ] ''']''' 09:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::So in other words, are you saying that so long as the "best known" sentence is cited by a ''reliable'' source, it is alright to retain it? Cheers, ] ''']''' 09:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Pretty much, yep. ] ]‍] 09:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Pretty much, yep. ] ]‍] 09:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC) <small>slightly longer and more considered response</small> ...although there are ]. For example, you'd be unlikely to need a source saying "Barack Obama is best known as the President of the United States", since that's pretty much the ''de facto'' reason anyone would search for him on Misplaced Pages. Apply common sense; if someone of something is self-evidently only known for one reason, you can probably get away without a citation. ] ]‍] 09:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Ok, and one more thing: Your take on ]'s "best known" lead as it now stands? ] ''']''' 09:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Ok, and one more thing: Your take on ]'s "best known" lead as it now stands? ] ''']''' 09:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::Working in the book trade, I saw nothing but ''The Da Vinci'' code and its respective knock-offs for most of 2003/2004, so I'd state from personal opinion that he probably ''is'' most widely known for that work. However, my personal opinion doesn't count for much on Misplaced Pages - perhaps changing it from "best known" to simply "known" would be appropriate. I'd suggest having a chat with other editors on the article's talkpage; see what they have to say. ] ]‍] 09:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I am under the impression that the term "best known" is a little biased and subject to WP:POV. I.e. Dan Brown is best known for the 2003 best selling book, The Da Vinci Code.... Which is why I removed the "best known" in the lead. A'm I correct to do so? The edit was subsequently reverted (twice); to refrain from an edit war, I seek resolution here. Is "best known" POV, or is it based on case by case? Cheers. BonkersThe Clown(Nonsensical Babble)08:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Bonkers. Depending on the sources provided in the article, the term "best known" could be POV, original research or entirely correct. If a reliable source cited in the article says (for example), "Dan Brown's name is universally associated with his book , The Da Vinci Code," then you've got yourself a good case for retaining the phrase. On the other hand, if the argument for keeping it is something like, "I'd never heard of him until that Tom Hanks movie came out", "all his other books suck", or, "there are fifteen billion Google hits for "Dan Brown + Da Vinci Code", then the use of "best known" is definitely questionable. As with everything regarding Misplaced Pages content, the sources are the key. Therefore, in answer to your question, I'd say you'd need to consider this on a case-by-case basis. Yunshui雲水09:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Pretty much, yep. Yunshui雲水 09:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC) slightly longer and more considered response ...although there are arguable exceptions. For example, you'd be unlikely to need a source saying "Barack Obama is best known as the President of the United States", since that's pretty much the de facto reason anyone would search for him on Misplaced Pages. Apply common sense; if someone of something is self-evidently only known for one reason, you can probably get away without a citation. Yunshui雲水09:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Working in the book trade, I saw nothing but The Da Vinci code and its respective knock-offs for most of 2003/2004, so I'd state from personal opinion that he probably is most widely known for that work. However, my personal opinion doesn't count for much on Misplaced Pages - perhaps changing it from "best known" to simply "known" would be appropriate. I'd suggest having a chat with other editors on the article's talkpage; see what they have to say. Yunshui雲水09:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
How do I make the page curation toolbar appear?
Hello again! I have been looking at pages on the New Page Feed, and each time the Page Curation tool bar would appear. It was kind of in the way, but it had a minimize button, so I shrank it down to a small grey stub. Later, though, I wanted to review one of the pages, so I tried to unminimize the tool bar and I accidentally closed it. Now I don't know how to get it back. I tried reloading the page, I tried clicking on the green "review" button, and I tried closing my browser and starting over. What should I do? —Anne Delong (talk) 04:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Anne. Go to the Toolbox list of links on the left hand side of the page and click "Curate this article". That should reanimate the toolbar. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:12, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I guess it was you who uploaded commons:File:Baerveldt Park.JPG and tried to add it as "File:PA240428" in . I don't know where you got "PA240428" from but I fixed the name in . Maybe PA240428 was part of the original name made by a digital camera. Thanks for uploading the file with a descriptive name and not a number. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Attributing in non-fiction book summary
If I'm summarizing a book by Smith and I have a "Content" or "Summary" section, is it better to explicitly attribute everything to Smith: "Smith says the earth is flat. As for as birds Smith insists that birds don't fly. Finally Smith concludes pizza is square." Or do we assume everything in the summary is what Smith said and write "The earth is flat, birds don't fly, and pizza is square." where maybe you cite smith. I've seen both styles, even within a single article. Maybe there is a guideline to when to attribute and when to just state? Silas Ropac (talk) 02:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I know, that depends on whether "Smith" is repeating a well-established, documented fact or not, I.e. Barack Obama is a human. For that scenario, you need not add the words "Smith says" or "Smith claims". Whereas for controversial statements that the mainstream oppose, you should do so. (I.e. Smith claims that Bonkers The Clown was the assassin who killed Pedro Blanco Soto in 1829) Get what I mean? Happy editing. Cheers :) BonkersThe Clown(Nonsensical Babble)08:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
A reference I wanted to use is on the Spam List.
One of San Francisco's newspapers is currently on the Spam list. I'd like to link to an article the Examiner ran on SPUR: not many secondary sources exist for SPUR, the Examiner is widely read within San Francisco, it's good to have an alternative point of view/voice to the San Francisco Chronicle. This article is by no means crucial to the SPUR entry, but it does seem unworkable to have one of the newspapers of one of the larger cities within the U.S. on the spam list. Thanks in advance.Ravenforaday (talk) 02:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey KingJakob and welcome back to the Teahouse! In general, I would let someone else reassess, but I am not aware of any policy or guideline that expressly forbids doing it yourself. I would, however, certainly consult someone else before making any jumps of more than one class (e.g., start to B) as otherwise it will seem rather biased. But in general, I don't think it's a problem to update an article rating when it needs updating. GoPhightins!00:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Accepting an AFC submission
Hi,
I was wondering if there's any special protocol to accepting an AFC submission, or do you just move it into article space. Thanks,
Hi, King Jakob. Before you review articles on AfC you should go here and read all the instructions. There are manual ways to approve articles, but there are also some scripts you can install that will automate it for you. You should become familiar with all the contents of the linked page before you review articles. Thanks for helping out. AfC is a realll busy place! Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
The talkback template
I'm new to Misplaced Pages and still trying to get to grips with the basics. With the talkback template, do I leave a message for someone else on MY page and then add the { { Talkback|username } } template (using the username of the person I'm trying to contact), or do I place the talkback template on their page?
I know this is very basic stuff but if someone could clarify this that would be brilliant!
Hi Danielle, welcome to Misplaced Pages. Talkback is used to let another editor know you've replied to them somewhere else. Therefore, it always goes on their talkpage (this creates the bright orange "You have new messages!" banner on every page they look at) and should direct them to wherever you've made your reply (thus, if I wanted to let you know I've replied here, I'd leave the template {{Talkback|Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions}} on your talkpage - which I'll do now!) Yunshui雲水13:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, you've made it much clearer! I think I read too much into the Template:Talkback page.
I suspect the problem you're having is that you're clicking edit this page at the top of Portal:Computer graphics, and then confusingly not seeing anything that resembles the content you've just read on that page. If that's the issue, it's happening because the page is made up of other pages pieced together and called there by reference, but which actually exist discretely on their own pages--a process called transclusion. If you want to edit a particular section, go to any one of the blue headers and click on the little white link inside of the blue header on the right side. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
As part of my university project I am to create a new page or edit an existing one. The subject I was given was Henry Lowood, who hasn't really done a lot of notable things. I discovered a project that he led that apparently influenced machinima, would it be better for me to create a page on the project rather than the leader himself?
SarahMckinley (talk) 10:21, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Sarah, welcome to the TeaHouse. As far as Misplaced Pages's concerned, you can write an article on any subject that you can find sufficient sources for; if you've got decent sources for Lowood's movement but not for the man himself, then go ahead, by all means. However, since you're doing this as part of a university project, I'd suggest contacting your instructor (Dr. Sant, I presume?) to clear it with them first. Yunshui雲水10:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Editing Videos
What are the locations of the best videos on Misplaced Pages about editing? I found a great one about how to do citations and I'm wondering if there are more on Misplaced Pages.Gustav38 (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how the Teahouse scripts are working for all of you, but since I have to do a lot of work to post a simple Talkback, I assume they are not working fine for me. Could anyone show a screenhot of how the page looks, and how they post Teahouse TBs to other users?
Also, I very much suspect I've done something which does not allow my scripts to work properly, which is why I have to manually place the TB for every answer I give. Can anyone find what's the problem I am facing?
Which browser are you using? Because there are known problems with Internet Explorer and the Teahouse scripts. AFAIK, they work fine with other browsers, but in some set ups, IE messes up. I have two computers with identical versions of both Windows 7 and IE, and oddly it works on one but not the other. I'm using Google Chrome now as my primary browser, and haven't had a single problem since switching over. --Jayron3207:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Now I know that there is a problem with my teahouse scripting because of which I do not see this TB. Anyone have any idea what it might be? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Quotes from other Wilkepedia Articles?
If adding detail to an article, am I allowed to copy/paste a few sentences someone else wrote for a different Wilkepedia article? Rivka3 (talk) 04:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Rivka3! Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, of course you can! What must happen, though, is that the attribution for the work is maintained, so it's possible to trace who wrote it. For short additions, this is usually done informally by putting in the edit summary something like, "Adding information from Article". It's important to get the exact title of the article and to make it a wikilink (by enclosing it in ]). For more than a few sentences, it might be best to use a note on the talk page as well explaining what you've done; again the article needs to be wikilinked. Hope this helps, Espresso Addict (talk) 05:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
This is one of the issues that confuses editors. The attribution in the edit summary was correct as the other editor has stated and it is also best to add a link to the same article you juts edited in that edit summary so it is something like "Content from ] was copied/merged into ].
This is the minimum requirement. The step should never be forgotten and if you do, it can always be made using a Dummy edit afterwards. The reason this is needed is to insure that the attribution is always in the history and not just on the article talkpage. But you can add the attribution that way as well with the ] template and filling in the parameters.Amadscientist (talk) 05:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Article constantly being checked and pending for removal later.
Hey everyone,
Please help me develop the article Alex Gilbert. I have tried to write up something good but it keeps on getting changes and now it has a deletion warning. I feel this should be a growing article and should not be deleted. Please have a look here - Alex Gilbert Thank You! Makethingsbetter456 (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Makingthingsbetter. Unfortunately, this article is no where near meeting the standards for inclusion here on Misplaced Pages. None of the sources are what we consider reliable sources. Without reliable sources, there is no way the article can meet the standards for inclusion. Would you like it moved to articles for creation so you can work on it at your leisure and not worry about it being deleted? Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
At first I noticed it was not submited the first two times because it has improper references, so I fixed that and submited it, but then I got the Too Soon message, which means it is too soon to have an article about an upcoming sequel of Wargame: European Escalation. I wanted to have an article about an upcoming video game sequel, especially one with a confirmed release date. Is there anything I have to do to get this article approved for submission? - Privatejfx141 (talk) 03:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Privatejfx141, welcome to the teahouse! At present the article draft does not pass WP:42 - only the Christina Gonzalez piece is independent of the publisher of the game, none of the others you have listed as sources are independent. Even then, the Gonzalez piece does not give the game significant coverage. So you would need a lot more independent (and reliable) sources that give the game significant coverage, to get this draft article accepted. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Change Page Title
How can I correct a misspelling in my pages title? The page represents a large real estate development that has undergone a slight name adjustment.98.203.120.145 (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to see the message you get when you try (but fail) to post a link that is blocked by the spam filter. I went to the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist and chose one of the first supposedly blocked items on that list. I then went to a random article and typed out what looks to me like a proper link to the one I had found, expecting not to be able to save and see the error message, but I was able to save the link (I would have removed the link immediately but cluebot reverted me in about a millisecond ). Anyway, why did this link work? 108.54.26.164 (talk) 23:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, welcome to the Teahouse! All entries at MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist start with \b which indicates a word boundary. See Regular expression#POSIX character classes. The entry says \b1choicedating\.com\b which blocks http://www.1choicedating.com. Your test included the 'b' and said http://www.b1choicedating.com. This is not blocked because there is a letter and no word boundary before 1choicedating. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
How to help an editor who is doing the wrong thing, but not responding to messages?
User 117.197.144.236 ( | talk) wants to create a page for an Indian company called "Golden Sparrow". He is trying to do this on the Golden Sparrow disambiguation page. I reverted his changes and put a polite message on his talk page telling him why and what he needed to do instead. I also explained what I was doing in the history comment for the change. But he re-added his material to the disambiguation page. I believe he isn't seeing the message I left him, or the history page, but instead just thinks WP is undoing his work at random or in error. How should I proceed here? I could go ahead and create the page he wants, but since he provides no references, I have concerns about notability and self-promotion, and would rather he did the page himself (if at all). Of course, he may abandon his efforts, but I am still interested in how one handles the general case of someone who persists in doing the wrong thing through inexperience, and who cannot be reached through normal channels. ubiquity (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe that if the user is disruptive (but acting in good faith), short-term blocks can be issued (that is on Wiktionary, I'm not 100% certain if the same rule applies here). Another possibility is, if you're certain they're acting in bad faith and trying to promote the company, to report them to the Spam Noticeboard, but I'd recommend assuming good faith until they do it one or two more times. JakobC222:49, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Because they're editing from the same IP address they'll get the big yellow "you've got messages" message, so I expect they'll have seen the advice. Whether they've understood it is another matter. Their first language may not be English and, even if it is, they may not fully understand the Misplaced Pages jargon. If the IP adds the information again (probably when it is Wednesday on the Indian subcontinent) maybe leave a very simple message telling them to create their article using the Article Wizard. Sionk (talk) 22:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There are other factors to consider though, such as language, technical skills, and intelligence. WP:COMPETENCE blocks are rare, but they do happen and are acceptable in certain situations. If the user just can't take a hint, a short block may be necessary. Try to the best of your ability to communicate with the user before you seek administrative attention though. Good luck, and happy editing! —Rutebega (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I want to improve The Singularity is Near. So far it has two really long summaries of 2 chapters, and nothing much on the other 7 chapters in the book. My thought it just slim down the 2 existing sections, and do lighter weight summaries of the next 7. But I think I read somewhere that chapter-by-chapter summaries are frowned upon? For a dense non-fiction book, I don't know how else to do it. So first question is how frowned upon are chapter-by-chapter summaries, and second what is the better way, how do you pull it off? Thanks. Silas Ropac (talk) 19:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back to the Teahouse, Silas Ropac! Yes, chapter-by-chapter summaries are frowned upon because they bog down the article. It's only a minor no-no, however. To start off, I would probably combine all of the chapter headings into one under "Overview" and add {{Plot}} to the top of the article. Then I would "trim the fat". This would involve cutting down anything not integral to the understanding of the story. Since you say they are leaving out the other seven chapters, I would include quick notes about that. For a book as dense as The Singularity is Near, I think that seven paragraphs maximum (which would level out to a paragraph a chapter) would be a nice size. Happy editing! öBrambleberryofRiverClan22:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
How to report vandalism/ testing
I have tried to follow the available instructions on how to report vandalism or testing on live articles but as yet I haven't been able to figure it out. I won't be offended if you explain it as you would to a child!Jodosma (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Jodosma! Lots of people make changes to articles just to see that they can do it. Unfortunately, there's also a fair number of people who want to cause problems and make changes to articles that simply aren't correct. Here's how I generally handle such incidents.
If someone makes a change that doesn't entirely work, sometimes I'll see what they're trying to do and fix it myself. Other times, I'll revert or undo the change. Then I'll leave a note on the editor's talk page letting them know what happened. In this case, it's always best to assume good faith and believe that the person was well-meaning. As such, I leave a simple note telling them that I've fixed their test, and leave it at that. There are templates to help you with this, such as Template:Uw-test1.
On the other hand, if someone's truly being disruptive, and has done so repeatedly, the notices become warnings, alerting them that if they continue, they may find their ability to edit the encyclopedia blocked. One such template is here: Template:Uw-vandal4. If the editor still won't quit, it's unfortunately time to report them to the administrators. Head to this page and follow the directions. If the administrator agrees, the editor's privileges are blocked for a period. This is not punishment; it's meant to protect the project from damage.
If you get comfortable enough with using the project's automated tools, consider adding Twinkle or Huggle (I use Twinkle, myself). These make leaving notices easier. I hope this answers your question, but feel free to ask for more details!
Sorry to do this am a total newbie to the wiki game so have a broad sort of question.
A quick bit about me - I used to run the music department for Christie's in London, before running my own auction houses selling instruments etc. In other words I am a bit of a violin nerd.
Before selling my old company I had commissioned from one of the experts in the field (John Dilworth), a dictionary of violin and bow makers. One hasn't been written for nearly 70 years and it was about time.
I am now dropping small biographies from the book into my website (www.amati.com) and they are widely respected. I would like to drop links to these in Wiki, but don't want to look like an Uber-Spammer!
Is there a line I shouldn't cross - I am aware that there are no-follows, so will not benefit particularly from these links - but I want people to have the correct information; there are too many old references with incorrect info out there.
Hi Bucky. We always appreciate accurate information. However, from what you say above, there's no need to link to your website at all - you can simply cite Brompton's Dictionary of Violin & Bow Makers itself as the source. We don't require that information be available online in order for it to be a valid reference; as long as it's somehow available to the general public, it can be cited. Yunshui雲水11:43, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Dear Yunshui,
Perfect thank you. The advantage of linking is that I put in some images of the makers' instruments. But thank you I think that clears it up - I don't want to appear like a one trick pony, only ever citing one source, but as long as someone is prepared to warn me if I get tedious.
Bucky2012 (talk) 11:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello Netbrock. Welcome to the tea house. It is certainly better to have more references and good quality reliable sources at that. A fact supported by only one ref might later be removed as having undue weight relative to its sourcing. A lot depends on the type of fact being established. Some are straightforward and might be clear from one source while things that are more opinion based may need citing from a number of authorities. Linking to other pages is a matter of judgement as to what is likely to be useful to the reader. There is no set number required and no point in linking common words that will be understood by most people. There is a minimum number of incoming links from other pages, three I believe, needed if the article is not to be classed as an orphan. I hope this helps. Feel free to ask more questions.--Charles (talk) 09:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Thankyou, this has given me a better understanding of referencing and wiki links,
I'm just getting going with editing articles, and I have a personal preference NOT to see comparisons to other products, sites, associations, etc. I'm thinking of editing the Google+ entry because it makes too many references to Facebook, for example Google's +1 being "similar to Facebook's 'Like'" is that a fair edit, or OTT?
Dougscottlee
(talk) 06:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, tis is Ajayupai95 once again...With another problem. I made a particular edit on a page Ministry of Defence (India) where i found some content that was unnecessary and so I made a careful edit with a detailed edit explanation... Today I looked up my Watchlist and found that my edit had been reverted.. And the edit count says and I quote "VANDALISM DELETED. Members of the Indian Police Service, Indian Forest Service and others in central get promoted to Joint Secretary in GOI after 26 to 27 years of service by the federal cabinet. Joint Secretaries are listed in the Order of Precedence." Please can anyone clarify and explain to me if I'm wrong??? If not how to tackle such reverts of edits made carefully??? Ajayupai95 (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ajayupia95. If your changes have been rejected the correct procedure is to start a new discussion thread on the talk page for that article and explain why the change should be made. If the present version is not referenced it can be tagged as needing references by adding {{cn}} which produces a citation needed tag. You will need references to support what you are adding. If you are still not satisfied after allowing a week or two for other editors to comment there are further dispute resolution procedures that can be followed. I would personally ignore the comment about vandalism the first time it happens but if that persists it can be reported to the administrators' noticeboard.--Charles (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
birth and death dates unknown
I have created a page on the actor Krishnan Kutty Nair. However, I could not find any references to his date of birth or death.
The page for one of his movies Ponmuttayidunna Tharavu has this line "..Late actor Krishnan Kutty Nair played the role .. " .
I know I cannot have another wikipedia page as a source of my information.
My reference does say that he has passed away.
Out of my external links, the IMDB page has a date of death, but that has been reported wrongly. It was the death of a Kathakali artist.
Hi, Expertsleuth! My best suggestion is--just leave it out! Adding improperly sourced or unsourced info on important things like DOB and DOD is just not a good idea. Reporting incorrect information is definitely worse than not reporting any at all. The nice thing about Misplaced Pages is it is always a work in progress. When better sourcing becomes clear, someone can add the info. That being said, have you tried looking for the town he lived in when he died and the local paper there? If you can find an obit, it will certainly have a DOD and maybe even a DOB.Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply.
I am not able to get more details about him; but surely somebody else might be able to add to this, as you mentioned.
Another thing is that I am thinking of making this page redirect to a disambiguation page, once I am able to gather more details on the other artist with the same name, I mentioned earlier..
Is that the best way to do it?
Expertsleuth (talk) 08:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
inserting photo into article
I have a photo which I have taken of a Lehigh Co PA Parkway which I frequent. I would like to place this photo into the article listing park sites in the county. Can I do that, or does it need to go through the County first? Apologies if it's a particularly ignorant question.Final4one (talk) 04:39, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello! Welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I know, nothing in a picture of a park or parkway should be copyrighted. Therefore, as long as you're willing to agree to our license, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons and use it! The license we use here, the CC-BY-SA 3.0, basically says that anyone, anywhere, at any time, can use your image for any reason, even commercial, but they have to provide a hyperlink back to the file page on Commons, which will link to your userpage and allow them to contact you for attribution. It also states that anything they use it in must be licensed similarly, so nobody can go copyright your image. If you agree to those terms, go to the link above and upload it! The same account you use to log in to Misplaced Pages should work there :) After you've uploaded it, put this on the page where you want the image to show: ] and it'll show up for you! Thanks for being willing to take pictures for us! gwickwireedits05:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll do that later today. I've only become involved in this noble enterprise for a few months. Once I figure things out, they seem to work just fine, but I'm easily confused, so...and thanks for your time and effort at this.Final4one (talk) 13:46, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit the title of my article
I somehow missed where to enter the name of my article, and now it seems to stuck as
Article titles can be changed via page move, but not by editing the article directly. If your account is not autoconfirmed, you will need to ask someone else to perform the move for you, or request to be confirmed at WP:PERM. Otherwise, anybody can perform a page move. —Rutebega (talk) 04:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
How to flag an article that reads like an advertisement
Is it possible for an editor to flag an article that reads like an ad? Where can I find documentation on markup for the standard issue flag types?
Sivamoira (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
A short article I have written has been rejected, because the content is said to be "unverifiable". Since everything in the short piece is entirely factual, and states plain fact about works which are published and in print, I don't see where I am going wrong.
I have written another article, The Aerodrome (poem) which is along similar lines, and was accepted straight away, though another, The Turnip-Snedder, which, as far as I can see is extremely similar in content, was rejected.
Hi Jason, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm sorry Hasteur wasn't very helpful; I may have a word with him about that. He is correct though in that content on wikipedia must be sourced, even if it's completely obvious. For instance, our article on the sky has four reliable sources showing that the sky is blue (and why), even though anybody can look up on a clear day and see what color it is. All content on Misplaced Pages is like this, because something that's obvious to you might not be to someone else, so we require articles to be sourced. You should probably read our verifiability policy if you haven't already, and if you need any more help with sources or anything else, don't hesitate to ask us. —Rutebega (talk) 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually, things that are patently obvious to everyone (like the sky being blue) don't need sources. But it is true that most things need to be verifiable in reliable sources. On top of this, we generally need to be convinced that things on Misplaced Pages are important enough to be included in an encyclopedia - what we call 'notability'. Just because a poet is well-known doesn't necessarily mean that everything they have written is 'notable'. So reliable published sources help to prove something (such as a poem) are widely known. For example your article The Aerodrome (poem) cites a book source that discusses the poem, which seems to have convinced the AfC reviewer to accept your article. Sionk (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Jason! Short poems, even by very notable poets, often don't have enough discussion about them in secondary sources to have notability as separate articles. You could, however, consider just adding the material to the relevant collection. (Or in the Rilke case, perhaps the original collection?) As long as what you write is uncontroversially sourced to the poem itself, there shouldn't be a problem with lack of references in that context. Perhaps someone else will come along later and add more information from sources you don't have access to. Hope this helps, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
How do I adopt a user?
Hi. I want to adopt a user, but I have some questions. First of all, am I qualified enough to adopt a user? Second, How do I adopt a user? and third, What does adopting a user entail? Thank you. JHUbal2721:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
First, there is no qualifications for Adopting a user. Anyone can do that. But what is required is experience on Misplaced Pages, and to be familiar with almost everything around here. So, while you are completely free to try adopting someone, I suggest you want for a month of two before you are familiar with everything here. Before trying to adopt someone, you may also want to get adopted yourself. :)
Second, to adopt a user, you may add yourself here - List of adoptees. Then you either wait for someone to ask for adoption from you, or just try to find users who want to be adopted. might help you in doing so.
For your third question, adopting a user entails familiarizing your adoptee to all basic stuff on Misplaced Pages. Worm's adoption HQ gives a very good idea of the various lessons that are involved, and what needs to be taught. You may also look at the adoption HQ of some of the other adopters.
Adding an External Link within an Article as a Reference
Hello-the college I work for is mentioned several times in an article about the larger university in which it is housed. The university's other colleges are also mentioned, and some of those colleges have links to their respective web sites. I would like to have my college's link included for reference purposes. How do I do this without violating any policies? Thank you-EstarrbEstarrb (talk) 21:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
What article is this about? We should take a look at it to see what it is you are referring to. Inline external links are actually not generally allowed in articles, but your use of the terms external links and references interchangably is confusing because they are in fact quite different things. Roger (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry Roger. I'm so new to this and didn't use the right terms. The links I am talking about are not external web site links; rather, they are links to individual articles on Misplaced Pages about the respective sub-colleges. I guess my college would need its own article to cross-link to; however, since I am an employee, I cannot create this article. Correct?Estarrb (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Estarrb. You can link to other pages on Misplaced Pages using double square brackets, so ] creates a link to the article Misplaced Pages. If pages on the sub-colleges exist, double-square-bracketing their names will create a link to their respective pages. If an article on your college doesn't exist yet, it may still be a good idea to format it like this - if there's no page at the other end of the link, what you get is a redlink, which looks like this. Many editors, on seeing such a redlink, will try to turn it blue by creating an article on the topic in question, so by redlinking the college, you improve its chance of being written about.
Whilst you can, in theory at least, create an article about a subject you're affiliated with, it's fairly strongly discouraged. However, if you can write in a neutral voice and limit the content to include only sourced information, there's no reason you shouldn't attempt it. If you want to have a go at writing an article on your college, I'd suggest doing so at articles for creation, so that it can be reviewed before being posted. You'll also want to read the guidelines for editors with a conflict of interest. I hope that helps to answer your question. Yunshui雲水09:47, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
help appreciated: unable to use my Misplaced Pages ID to log in Wiki Outreach?
Hello there, i've tried to log in onto https://outreach.wikimedia.org with my id/pw, it recognizes it as being used in the unified login system but does not accept it. Do I need to create a separate user/id for that site or should is there a way I can use my normal login info?
Many thanks! slv (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks JHUbal27 for the prompt reply. I haven't created a second account actually, I have a single account that works pretty much everywhere except for WMF (understandably) I thought the reason I couldn't get on the outreach.wikimedia.org is because it is a 'backstage project" but it I can edit on other backstage projects like Wikimedia Labs so can't be that. Maybe just access level. I just wanted to get a feel from the Outreach team/moderator about the efforts and current goals/strategy for that program. For example is this site/team involved in any other outreach program besides curating the relationship with existing volunteers, etc. The site seemed quiet. Maybe someone on the teahouse would have a bit of background on this project or direct me to a place where I can enquire/find the information? Thank you!! slv (talk) 22:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. I was really confused with what you wanted to know, but I dont think I would know it either. But if you wanted to know about something, you can simply contact Jimbo at his talk page I am sure someone looking at his talk page would know the answer, and reply to you. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
SUL does not work on Outreach. This is a known bug. But I am surprised that your current account login doesn't work when you try to log in from the Outreach homepage. I suggest that you create a new account on Outreach using the same username. If that doesn't fix the problem then please let me know on my talk page. --Pine05:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Good morning. I'm a new user and have been having several problems uploading photos....they will upload to wiki media, but not to wikipedia. I want to delete my photos and try again since everytime I try to upload something, it says duplicate......can someone please help me. RichardCacioppo (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
If you have a "freely licensed" photo, it is supposed to upload to a site called "Wikimedia Commons" at commons.wikimedia.org. You're probably doing it right! To use that file on Misplaced Pages, do the same thing that you would do with a file uploaded directly to Misplaced Pages - copy its filename and put it in brackets. Here's an example - this file is on Commons - I can use it here by typing thumb (the |thumb= is a size/behavior setting, you can also use pixel size) and it'll show up, like so (you should see an Iowa flag on the right, though the Table of Contents is bumping it down). Hope this helps! – Philosopher19:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
P.S. Please note that you'll need to keep an eye on your Commons talk page at commons:User talk:RichardCacioppo in addition to your English Misplaced Pages talk page at User talk:RichardCacioppo. It appears that you have some notices on your commons talk page that you may not have seen yet. Unfortunately, it is not technically possible to alert you on Misplaced Pages when you get a message at Commons, though you can set a preference at commons:Special:Preference to be notified via email. – Philosopher19:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
What do those numbers mean?
Sorry if this has been answered before: when I go to the Contributions tab, I see a list of the edits I've made in Misplaced Pages. What are those green +(numbers)? What are they called and what do they mean? Muromi (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. The green numbers on your contributions page are the number of bytes you have added to a page (bold text is for contributions of over 500 bytes). The red numbers are the same except they indicated the number of bytes subtracted from an article. Does that help? JakobC216:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
What do Wiki users think? Do you think Henry Lowood deserves his own wiki page or not?
Lowood is a librarian at Stanford University and had contributed to Machinima. He headed a project named ‘How They Got Game’. The history and preservation of digital games, virtual worlds and interactive simulations as new media forms now emerging together, was the main focus of the overall project.
I would like to know what your thoughts are on Henry Lowood. ClaraRoperClaraRoper (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Clara, welcome to the Teahouse! The first question I would ask is what independent reliable sources can be found that discuss Henry Lowood in detail. For example, newspapers, magazines, books, academic journals. What is there out there? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I did a google search for him, and judging by what comes up, I would say he is probably not notable, but I'm not 100% certain, so if you think he merits an article, go for it. JakobC216:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Pictures
Hello all, hope you are doing well.
I was going through some articles and saw some pictures are outdated. I would like to include new ones, but I heard there is some process that has to be done with WikiCommons? How does that work? I can't just put a picture from the internet, I have to upload it there first and wait for approval, then edit the article?
Thank you very much :) Zalunardo8 (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello. If the images you are here about are in the public domain, or freely-licensed with such license being one compatible with our free licenses, then they may be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons and used here immediately. The vast majority of images you find on the internet, however, are copyrighted. Note that an image is assumed fully- and non-freely copyrighted unless you can show how it entered the public domain or was freely-licensed. So in general, you very much cannot cannot just take a picture from the internet and upload it. If you want to run a particular image by us to check though, because you see some indication it is free but you are not sure, you can post a link here (or at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions) for a second opinion. By the way, there is a Free Image Search Tool (FIST) that might help you find a suitable replacement image. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am currently editing the page and it says that the page doesn't currently meet the standards and needs cleaning up, can you explain to me what the standards are? Thanks MarinaLouise (talk) 12:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Marina. Quick note as I'm running out the door. I've reformatted the references to start meeting attribution standards and made some other tweaks, but a great deal of them are not reliable sources. The article also appears to have quite a bit of peacock language in it, that is, it is not written from a neutral point of view. I'm late!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
A question about frag movies as an article.
Hello. I'm a student on a digital media course, which I've linked to in a tag at the bottom of this question. My question is whether or not frag movies should have their own page, or if they should just be outlined in a subheading on either the Machinima (Virtual Filmmaking) page or the Frag page, and if so why they haven't been outlined already.
This article was the subject of an educational assignment in February 2013. Further details are available here.
Could you please provide us with a few links so that we can figure out the context of your question. I'm fairly sure most readers here will not have the faintest idea what a "frag movie" is. Roger (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure if by links you want actual frag movies or definitions of frag movies, but I've got some very incomplete writings on the subject on the sandbox of one of the people that I'm collaborating with. JPeachman. If you want specific examples of frag movies, I'm happy to provide those as well.
Hi RStoakes. Basically, like everything on Misplaced Pages, this boils down to sources. If multiple, reliable, independent sources have written about frag movies (as distinct from machinima generally), the Misplaced Pages would support an article on them. So, for example, if you can find a couple of newspaper or magazine articles that discuss frag movies as a genre, you can go ahead. However, if all you have as sources are examples of such movies, or, say, forum posts between enthusiasts or frag movie creators, that isn't enough to sustain an article. The most basic expression of this concept can be found here, but you may want to read the general inclusion requirements and the guide to reliable sources as well, for extra information.
If you have sources which attest to the existence of frag movies, but aren't sufficient to support a standalone article, you could consider adding the information to the general page on Machinima instead. Yunshui雲水11:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Fuhghettaboutit I'll look over that and make the required changes :)
The stated reason for the removal of the material is "too many additions and too much POV". I have reinstated the material that has been removed. All reinstated material is supported by external links, which I have listed in the reference section for ease of consultation.
FactfinderMalta (talk) 10:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi FactFinderMalta, welcome to the teahouse. The other editor felt that your additions compromised the neutral point of view of the article. (As an example of why they might think that, can you explain why you felt the picture of the person should be replaced with part of a piece of political literature from a past political campaign?) The best thing to do when there is a disagreement about whether material should be included in an article, is to discuss it on the article's talk page. I've reverted your changes so that you can do that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Muscat's biography introduces him as a politician and his listed history begins with his years as a journalist. When he ran for election to the European parliament, Muscat had been a journalist of several years' standing who was strongly opposed to Malta's EU membership. The suggested image is iconic and defines him as a politician and as a journalist.FactfinderMalta (talk) 22:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey FactfinderMalta, welcome back to the teahouse! Did you see my suggestion above about discussing disagreements on the talk page of the article? Well, I've opened a discussion there, to further help you in doing so :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:44, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Josephthal to Yoseftal - a question for someone who knows Hebrew
I have created a redirect from Josephthal to Yoseftal, and explained why.
One of the people with that name is Senetta Yoseftal - she is written Senetta all over Misplaced Pages (she was a Member of the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament) and her actual name was Senta, and is written Senetta because of transliteration issues from the Latin alphabet to the Hebrew alphabet and back again.
Outside Israel she was known as Senta but she can't be found under that name on Misplaced Pages. This may not seem important but I care because I was related to her and I loved her.
Is it OK to create two redirects - as Senta Josephthal and Senta Yoseftal, both possible versions of her name Michalsuz (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Why was my photo removed and how can I get it back up
I uploaded a pic of the present members of the music group I'm in (The Celtic Fiddle Festival). It was deleted because, apparently, there is another pic available. I don't know of any other free use pic with the current members. I own the rights to the pic I uploaded, I credited the photographer. WHy was it taken down and, if whoever took it down knows of another one why not put that up in its place?
Hey Kevin :) Welcome to the Teahouse! Most likely the reason it was deleted is because you in fact don't own the copyright. If someone else took the picture, they own the copyright. For example, if I go take a picture of Barack Obama at a public speech, he doesn't own the copyright, I do. It's my choice to release the picture. What you'll need to do is go to WP:Donating copyrighted materials and have the actual photographer send an e-mail releasing it under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 or GFDL license, or anything more copyleft (CC-BY, CC-0, Public Domain). If the photographer won't agree to one of those licenses, then we can't use it. Make sure you tell the photographer that the licenses in question will allow the image to be used by anyone, at any time, for any reason, even commercial purposes, with so little as a hyperlink back to the original file (on Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons) and a similar license. If the photographer will agree to that, then have them send the e-mail, re-upload it after they send the e-mail and put {{OTRS pending}} on the page. Otherwise, as you have shows in public, we'll need a free image under one of those licenses. Sorry for all the trouble! gwickwireedits02:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, you uploaded it as fair use in a situation where fair use is not allowed. If you have permission and are willing to upload it with a free license then it can be used, but note that this will also allow others to use it. Template:Di-replaceable fair use doesn't claim a free image is known. It only says "a free image might reasonably be found or created". The messages at User talk:Burke89 say "could be found or created". If the four people are still alive and performing together then a free image might be created at a later performance, or might already exist somewhere without being known to us. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
My photo of myself was replaced with a place filler of space. Is this a copyright issue or something else, as I owned the copyright. Tomswainson (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Can you help me with an article please?
I'm working on this article and I was wondering if my sources establish notability. I'm nowhere near done, but I'm sure the subject is notable, as it is a kids show on national television. Can anyone please help/offer suggestions? Thanks. JHUbal2700:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello, JHUbal27! I did take a look at the sources you've provided, and I think you're on the right track. More will be helpful, of course, but you did find one really good one - the news story about how the show is filmed in Holland, Michigan. That one should provide a lot of information, as a good Misplaced Pages TV show article doesn't just talk about the show itself; it also goes into how it's produced, what impact the production has had, how the show has been received, etc.
Also, when using references, make sure you place the citations in-line with the comments they are meant to reinforce. I know you said this was a work in progress, so I encourage you to be bold and keep at it! Feel free to visit again if you have any other questions!
Thank you! I know to keep the citations in-line, and as you said, I'm still working on it. I would move it into the mainspace when I'm done, but I want to have it accepted at AFC. Thanks again. JHUbal2720:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Is there a policy against putting up a resume on Misplaced Pages?
Dear Editors: I went to the Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not page expecting to find a line like "Misplaced Pages is not a place to post your resume". There were helpful shortcuts down the side and one of them is "WP:RESUME". I clicked on it, but it redirects back to the same page, and there is no other mention of the word "resume" on the page. I am wondering if this is a glitch, or if there was a policy about resumes and it has been removed. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing me to the correct area. If I was trying to explain to someone why he or she can't post a resume, I wouldn't refer anyone to that page. It's really rude. It's the first time I've seen something on Misplaced Pages that is sarcastic and makes fun of people. Maybe I should tag it for POV. Where is the correct page to put in a request for a clear and concise paragraph in the policies which specifically mentions resumes, but doesn't send new editors to that page? —Anne Delong (talk) 22:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
If you look at the top of that page you will see a declaration that it is a satirical essay, not a guideline or policy page. It is definitely not the right page to point someone unless they understand the concept of satire. Roger (talk) 18:05, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I think I didn't find it because I didn't put the accents in my search term. I guess I'll have to figure out how to do that. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:18, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Differences templates in French and English language Wiki.
Dear Editors,
I'm working on translations of the entries relating to the Centre de l'Imaginaire Arthurien at the request of the director of the centre. There seem to be some differences between the templates supported by the French and English language versions. Is there a source that describes the equivalent templates and any differences between them?
Any advice will be thankfully and gratefully appreciated.
Hello Errvay :) I can't say I'm fluent in French, but knowing the processes of en.wp and fr.wp, I can say that I can most likely give you an en.wp equivalent of a French Misplaced Pages template. If you want to link to one, just put a colon, then fr, then the full page name (with any prefixes) like this: ] without the < and > around the two fields. Thanks for translating for us! gwickwireedits21:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I am still gathering the references. Many internet sites have removed the articles so I am looking for the published copies from libraries. Also can I use an interview of the artist as a reference? Thanks 74.103.30.151 (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I am new to Misplaced Pages and I am editing an article about Culture of Second Life as part of an assignment at university. Could you link YouTube videos as part of the references and within the article itself? Thanks for any feedback.
Hi Rosiesievers20, and welcome to the Teahouse. As a general rule, we avoid linking to YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. This is because YouTube's content is entirely primarily user-generated, meaning that it is considered unreliable for statements of fact. They also often contain material that violates copyright, which we naturally do not wish to link to - and depending on the video in question, including them in articles could also constitute a breach of the video-maker's copyright. Some video files are also too large (over 100MB) for Misplaced Pages to accommodate.
To add video media to Misplaced Pages, you would need to upload it to Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons yourself; instructions on how to do so (and the technical requirements for such media) can be found here. Yunshui雲水13:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
For what it's worth, there are some editors who believe that Misplaced Pages should include more video, but as the above post indicates, it's a complicated issue. Andrew07:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello- I am trying to create a company profile page and I want to be sure that I'm keeping in line with the conditions and guidelines Misplaced Pages has. Is there any way to have someone edit the pages content before I post to be sure it's approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmcauley (talk • contribs) 17:51, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello, and thanks for the excellent question! Before I can respond accurately, would you mind responding to these points:
1. Are you an employee of the company?
2. What is your proposed article name?
Thanks for wanting to comply with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. I highly recommend typing up a draft in your own Sandbox before submitting the article, and if you don't know how to do that, feel free to come back. Cheers, and happy editing, Kevin12xd (contribs) 23:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Welcome Lmcauley! WP respects our right to privacy and you are not required to tell anyone anything about your employment etc. and its not appropriate for other editors to ask for that information (though I believe that Kevin's request was an innocent attempt to help you).Please try Article Wizard for your new article but please keep in mind that a company must be notable and have had significant coverage in the media to deserve a WP article. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Make sure you aren't simply copying and pasting content from the company's web page -- that's a copyright violation and the page will be deleted. However, you can use the page as a source -- it just isn't considered "independent" and does not help to establish notability. It's a Fox! (Talk to me?)18:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I second Roger; to avoid a possible conflict-of-interest, it might be helpful to know if you are indeed an employee of the company. Cheers, Kevin12xd (contribs) 01:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
The idea was mentioned by someone in the discussion, but I am not bold enough to do it without further input. (It also seems to be a bit complicated.) The discussed item is a part of the process for a main page item, so it seems high-profile enough to not be left up to a local consensus. 88.88.165.222 (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Wiki-Hounding
Thank you for the invitation to the teahouse. One question: What can I do against Wiki-Hounding? (See my contrib-list). Thank you Boldpot1 (talk) 01:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Welcome again Boldpot1 = Michael Kühntopf = HaTikwa = Schweizerfreund = Hounding Patrol = Okdone = Nainomides = NoHounding = .... Your jewiki has been blocked because it is considered spam, and you have been blocked because you know why. --Boldpot (talk) 07:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
