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Letting Go of the Past
It is frightening to let go
of the past. It is like letting go of something
that is precious. That includes the feeling for
everything that has been, and also, for what was
once a solid identity built on deprivation.
Letting go of the past
must be done gradually and with
special care;
one old belief at a time
and only one fear. ...
Thank you, Poeticbent

Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Misplaced Pages's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... --> Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Flowers and sapphires

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers!

	Wonderful comment
	For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

For a true gem of a person ...

	words of reason and trust
	To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

German-English

You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Misplaced Pages item WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See Misplaced Pages:Avoid personal remarks.) --Orlady (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (The Fountainhead), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Orlady, einsicht is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context uneinsichtig is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". Pig-headed is good. Moonraker (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic translation of the 1715 text about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Standing Strong

	When the Ill Winds Blow No Good
	I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

uh, a tree for you

	Tree award? These have to be "awards"?
	Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For believing in the goodness of people above all. For having faith and being willing to work on a cause that seemed hopeless. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

AMEN to that! Gerda is one of the kindest, most decent people I've ever met. In this case, wiki-met, not met in person, though I'd love to do that one day.PumpkinSky talk 11:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, yes, please, all of it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

• — Ched :  ?  00:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC) Like

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence

		The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence
		I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Misplaced Pages. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)

• http://wikipediocracy.com/
• http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

• Mads Lange

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

"There Was an Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe"

You mentioned this article on my talk page earlier. The reason I did a bit of work on it was partly because it was pretty poor, but more selfishly I wanted to start an article on the topic of concealed shoes, and I didn't it want it to be immediately tagged as an orphan; I hate those tags. I've emailed Northampton Museum asking if someone from there could take a look at the article, and it would be good if you and/or your talk-page stalkers could have a quick look through as well, to see if there's anything that could do with a bit more explanation. I'm not asking for any kind kind of formal review, just a quick eyeball to see if there's anything obviously missing, or that doesn't make sense.

Cheers! (Yes, I've had a couple of glasses of wine, and perhaps you'll join me. I find it helps the creative juices to flow. ;-) ) George Ponderevo (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will look but not soon, want to get Fauré's Requiem to presentable until the composer appears as TFA on 4 November, translate a Bach cantata to German until Saturday and Der Handschuh asap, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Would you like me to take a look as well? Malleus Fatuorum 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, all of them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, later. Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle. Malleus Fatuorum 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

matching my Category:Wikipedians who are not part of The Community --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Brains Work Better Barnstar

		The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
		You and I walk on the same side of the street. Thank you for all your efforts to befriend and assist your fellow Wikipedian Editors (WE). Bottom line: WE are all living breathing people that desire love. Your efforts have a cascading effect throughout WP. What's so bad about Peace, Love and Understanding? ```Buster Seven Talk 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again. (See above, not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to Elen for the colour.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:FPC

Sorry about Colin. You are, of course, welcome to participate. I've actually noticed your name around, as I coded a lot of the WikiProject Opera backend - composer of the month and such, so I do see edits to it. =) Haven't really done mcuh in opera for a bit; should poke around my collection and see what comes out. Adam Cuerden 16:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, really, I am used to it ;) Colin is of course absolutely right that I support/recognize the quality contributions of banned editors. - Look above, we are striving for a politer expression for "toxic place" - and the desire to overcome it. - Music helps, go for it! Did you see "ban complaining" on my user page? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

ps: now I have to insert the ref for the sad news that another musician whose biography I wrote, died, Franz Lehrndorfer, teacher of our cantor, RIP, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As promised:

Adam Cuerden 17:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Lovely and fitting, thank you ;) - Did you read civility and team spirit, my windmills? - Verbannet die Klage, "ban complaining", not "ban mourning", see? That was well before the last banning posse ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Heh. I could tell you some interesting stories about uncivil arbritrators, but think I shall refrain, as it was some time ago. Adam Cuerden 23:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Refrain, - a good refrain. The arbitrators were ok last time, it's Teh Community I am ashamed to be part of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Pony!
Congratulations! For helping me format my Pony Prize, you have received a pony! Ponies are cute, intelligent, cuddly, friendly (most of the time, though with notable exceptions), promote good will, encourage patience, and enjoy carrots. Treat your pony with respect and he will be your faithful friend! Montanabw 20:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Respect! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda

Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw The Hobbit (film) on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the Reality (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a Jahresentwicklung I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) Eebahgum (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had Christmas music on my user, - a remnant is still there now like a motto: "ban complaining". It's not the same as "ban mourning", - look above and for sing praises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rudolf Rahn

Thanks for your review, Gerda, and could you possibly look at it again? Best wishes, Moonraker (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. He's a difficult subject, and I should not wish to form any judgement! Moonraker (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Wise indeed. Did you see that I reviewed another one also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

That's something like serendipity, as earlier this afternoon I fought off the temptation to ask you to look at Dudum siquidem! DYK seems to be moving slowly lately, I don't know why. Have some of the activists sailed away into the sunset? Moonraker (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

one active supporter dropped out to the sunrise, look above for peace, click on it, to at least say that we miss him, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Es kehret alles wieder. Moonraker (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe that for the two mentioned in the box on top of this page, - a loss for knowledge, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I sometimes struggle with such things, but with little success. Und was geschehen soll, ist schon vollendet. Moonraker (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Sounds wise. Define struggle. I sing praises, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Try this, pursued without a reply. The decision processes of the English Misplaced Pages have an air of voodoo magic about them, subjectivity run out of control. For now, that seems to be in the nature of the place. Don't get too fond of it. Moonraker (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Fond? not serious ;) - look for "not serious" on my user, and you will see how I survive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

or look for pride and prejudice on my user, today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Is the German Misplaced Pages much the same? No one here would think of you as a refugee! Moonraker (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

The German Misplaced Pages is different. I started here, because the name of a friend was a red link, then found out that I can offer to more readers writing in English. I work in German also. Should we take one of your articles there? My latest in that direction: Little Moreton Hall, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Less prickly than the English, I hope. My German is so much worse than my English that I don't try to do much there. Schuster, bleib bei deinen Leisten! Moonraker (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

We could try an outline of hall house, which has been developed impressively from where I left it. It's a good subject which the German Misplaced Pages seems to be lacking, but I am not at all sure what the correct German page-name would be! Moonraker (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Wagner/Holländer

Dear Gerda, please do not risk starting an edit war on this topic while the page is up for FA review. As it happens I agree the name should be changed, but as is also clear to you from recent discussions most others do not. If you want to change the main Misplaced Pages name for this opera, please make your arguments on the talk page of The Flying Dutchman (opera), Wikiproject Opera or other suitable locations. But don't provoke argument by doing this single-handed on the Richard Wagner page. Thank you.--Smerus (talk) 13:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not in for an edit war. I only continued what Michael Bednarek started: Wagner didn't think of an English title. This has nothing to do with the name of that article. Repeating: in the FA Franz Kafka, ALL titles are German, with a piped link to the English article. Kafka wrote Das Schloss, not The Castle. Wagner wrote Der fliegende Holländer, not The Flying Dutchman. Both delegates studied Kafka, because one got so involved that he left it for the other to pass. Don't be afraid ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

So you say "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd", so what? It is standard practice to use English names where they are most common in English per WP:NAME. That's the "we". Paul B (talk) 15:20, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

p.s. As far as I am concerned the rule concerning titles should be followed with links in articles. Your opinion that he "really" wrote Der fliegende Holländer is irrelevant. There are many reasons for this policy, but the most important one is to avoid nationalistic squabbling. And by the way, La Traviata is perfectly correct in English and IMO that's how the page should be capitalised. Paul B (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Do me a favour: read before you comment. It was not me, but Michael Bednarek who said "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd". It is not my opinion that Wagner wrote in German, but fact. - Sorry, I don't know what squabbling means, but perhaps I don't want to know. - Project opera is responsible for La traviata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Do me a favour. Look up the word "squabbling" if you don't know what it means. Sorry if I misread the author of the edit summary. It's easy to do. Your "argument" is just a repetition of your non-point. We use the most common names. Stravinsky wrote Les Noces in Russian, and yet the title's there in French (and I use that capitalisation because I think that's proper for English usage whatever Project opera may think). It's the common title as used in English. Paul B (talk) 19:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I look up words I want to know. - I know what nationalistic means, it's the first time that's applied to me, and hard to take. I vote to use the original name when speaking about a composer's intentions in any language, last time Le Sacre du printemps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Paul, I think you need to WP:AGF with Gerda here and not make rash overgeneralzations. Labeling someone "nationalistic" is generally rude, and in this case, VERY rude. This is a discussion about bringing a move discussion on one article into another one that is up for FA, nothing more. Montanabw 01:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

@Paul Barlow: your opinion regarding the use of capital letters in titles of operas and works of classical music is clearly in contradiction to the guidelines of the relevant Misplaced Pages projects. The guidelines do explicitly not follow the most common names but those which are used in reputable publications and/or which follow an established naming scheme. Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style in general is like that: it doesn't follow the most wide-spread style details but picks some through consensus and then applies them consistently. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Defender of the Integrity of Misplaced Pages

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Dear Gerda, it's always a struggle trying to defend the integrity of Misplaced Pages as a real encyclopedia, against the COMMONNAME philistines who keep wanting to dumb it down instead of redirecting to correct article titles. I'm awed by your efforts. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Z147

DYK for Bernhard M. Hämmerli

On 6 March 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bernhard M. Hämmerli, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Swiss computer science academic Bernhard M. Hämmerli is a specialist in the field of critical infrastructure protection in the European Union? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bernhard M. Hämmerli. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for In the Penal Colony (opera)

On 10 March 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article In the Penal Colony (opera), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that in the first version of the chamber opera In the Penal Colony, based on the short story by Franz Kafka, composer Philip Glass (pictured) included the character of Kafka as narrator? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/In the Penal Colony (opera). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Chamal  17:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Legend

I like your ] legend.
All the best! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of a legend - and coined the phrase on his user, - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ha, ha! Excellent! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Scholl

I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". Malleus Fatuorum 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of another church where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. Malleus Fatuorum 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, David Erler will sing alto then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. Malleus Fatuorum 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? Malleus Fatuorum 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the Rheingau Musik Festival - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

ps:for name changes, ask 28bytes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about the castrato article? Malleus Fatuorum 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Orchestra infoboxes

Gerda, I apologize if I appeared to give offense; certainly none was intended. I always have a great respect for your thoughtful comments. Here I happened to disagree with some of your suggestions, but I was in no way trying to shut off the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I just replied on your talk. No, I didn't have the impression that you tried to shut off the discussion, I had the impression that you thought that was my proposal, whereas it was no more than showing how such a thing could look and what possibilities there are. I live by examples, and the amount of talk by people who don't have the slightest idea of a topic is astounding. Some may not know that every field can be a list, and that the list can be partly or completely collapsed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw that. I don't know anything at all about the ongoing project to include all wanted metadata within an infobox, but you should raise that point at the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Do so if you want trouble ;) - some people are fed up with the topic, I try to take it easy. - Ask Curly Turkey, or read a bit in that discussion. - My point is that Wikidata has to come from somewhere: we can supply something good - or wait for others to do so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I certainly understand that WP is filled with controversies of all kinds - sometimes it seems to be about little else. I do not know anything about this metadata business, but I can imagine how much nonsense it is generating. If there's a probability of this current proposal getting mired in the same stuff, it might as well be addressed - we can't hide it under a rug. And, it's only in the context of the metadata problem that I could understand the points you had posted there before, but seemed to be tiptoeing around. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Please get from "controversies of all kinds" to this particular one which we just survived, and see that facts didn't help against the personal issues carried on since 2008. One editor went on semi-retired. I have no time for that, sorry. - If we put data in an infobox, that opens possibilities for access in other cultures and languages, but only if it's granular, for example you know where in a date the month is, what a city is, etc. - Look at that discussion and see people opposing things they don't understand and don't even try to understand. - But then you meet one who got it and can be happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Your friend

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

ps: he participated in writing this, but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mass No. 1 (Schubert)

Hello! Your submission of Mass No. 1 (Schubert) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SusanLesch (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Gerda, I appreciate the nominations of No 1 and No 3! The Deutsche Messe might have made a good DYK but it's a bit old now :) I've recently started All-Night Vigil (Tchaikovsky) and nominated it for DYK. Unfortunately the fascinating side-alley of Russian choral music has kept me from my Schubert plans, which include writing the list and rewriting the Mass No 2. All in good time, I guess. Russian choral music seems really under-covered here - just started choral concerto as well. ~ Riana ⁂ 21:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, IMO the No 5 and No 6 articles are a bit more interesting than 1, 3 and 4! That could be because I just like the late masses better :) 5 and 6 definitely gave me a bit more to write about, though. ~ Riana ⁂ 21:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I was going to nominate the other "Schuberts"s ;) - see above why it didn't happen so far. Yes, Deutsche Messe is "too old" but could be mentioned in another hook. Thanks for the Vigil! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for your loss. *hugs* Hope all is well.

I just self-nominated them, if you would like to review or suggest an alternative hook - take your time! ~ Riana ⁂ 22:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hugs feel good, thank you! (I don't feel hugged on Talk:Bach, also interrupted.) - I take my time and enjoy the presence of friends I don't see often, - DYK will not want 5 Schubert masses in one week anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Butbutbut there's no such thing as too much Schubert! :P ~ Riana ⁂ 22:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Of course not, but DYK doesn't like whatever topic too dominant (see above, "flowers"). Did you read TFA today? I prepared the side dishes, there's no such thing as too much He was despised and Hallelujah, improvements welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm Back!!!

Missed me?? If you don't even remember who I am, its The Wikimon... Returning from facing the infamous portal called 'exam 101'... So how's Misplaced Pages faring nowadays..?? Check out my edits and let me know if I'm on the right track and I need to learn some good codes and wikimarkup to get my user page, talk page and stuff up-to-date... See ya then! The Wikimon (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Good to know, - look above and see why I was also away, just in the process of catching up, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for sending me the sapphire for fighting with love! I really appreciate that and all your help with Josiah Gregg who finally made it to the front page of DYK last night! I learned so much during this DYK nomination; the last four were almost too easy, but they were for articles I wrote from nothing to finished. This one got in trouble I think because of the old editor having issues with some other editors ... fortunately all past now. I think I will go back to editing California State Senate districts, rearranging Commons photos, or something in the shadows for a while. I have a couple of other articles to start that are already in lists of museums and lists of historic buildings, but there is so little published secondary material about things in Humboldt County, California that it is difficult to get more than a stub. Again thank you for the award, it really cheered me up this morning! I thank you again for all your help with our troublesome explorer who may or may not have fallen from a horse (or a mule) before or after his demise. The "Mad River" was most appropriately named I think. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Do you know the photographer of the Yogo sapphire? He's working on Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know User:Montanabw yet, he seems like a very nice person! I am mostly working on far northwestern California which is that bump that sticks out in the Pacific Ocean because of the Mendocino Triple Junction. It is a very wild area with steep mountains and many rivers - much like the part of Montana that the sapphires are from, but of lower coastal elevation! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Two authors mainly worked on the sapphire (a great example of teamwork, look at the history), PumpkinSky took the photo - the model for my award. I think its not a secret that both are my friends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for the message of human support on my talk page and the beautiful precious stone you gave me there. A person's Infobox is a very common feature in most WP pages I know. It is almost a basic feature of historic person's pages on WP. I don't understant the opposition to it on the Handel page. It should be trivial IMO. In any case, thanks again. It is nice to start to follow the work of another awesome Wikpedian more closely. Keep up the great work you do here! warshy 18:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:George Frideric Handel

Gerda, see my comment there. Please do not make proposals which misleadingly state that I "suggest" adding these types of infoboxes to composer articles. I do not. I merely considered a "mini-infobox" the lesser of two evils at Bach and I certainly do not suggest adding a box of any kind to Handel. I also think it very inappropriate for you to try to add extra weight to your arguments by describing me as "a leading voice of project opera". No one there is a "leading voice". Voceditenore (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I misunderstood. Which phrase would you use to describe what I think you know that I mean, the one who organises, takes care of questions, archives - you ARE the project for me. - We are not talking about "adding" a box to Handel, he has a box right now, a box for those who relate to Bach and Scarlatti. I speak for those who never heard Handel's name, and I don't think they should be sent to Simple English Misplaced Pages. (I like that you work there!.) - A friend died. - I wrote He was despised in 2011, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't use any phrase. It's inappropriate to try to add extra weight to your argument by singling out another editor as having some special "authority", even more so when you have mis-characterized their views. Proposals should be rejected or accepted on their own merits, not on the alleged status of any of the participants in the discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 07:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. (I didn't mean to use a phrase again in a discussion, only to understand how to describe the great work you do for opera. I never meant "status", only description.) - Did you read the post above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Please see also how an infobox can be turned into knowledge in other languages, for example a bird, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, I have read and examined the various claims made for infoboxes (numerous times), many of them highly exaggerated and misleading, especially the one you're using here. In the conversation you pointed to above, the editor said that the Swedish article on the Blue-winged Pitta was generated by robots using several databases, no doubt the same databases used to populate the infobox on English Misplaced Pages. I would add that neither Handel nor Bach are birds, and that Misplaced Pages articles already exist on them in nearly 100 languages and dialects. On the general subject, you might also find this alternative view interesting reading. Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Berthold Possemeyer

Hello! Your submission of Berthold Possemeyer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yunshui 雲‍水 10:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! The Wikimon (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)