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New pages

I note that you are creating a number of pages about invertebrates. Can you ensure that they conform to the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style. Also, makes sure the the stub templates and categories are not red-linked. Thanks. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

They are red-linked because the current kind of invertebrate doesn't exist in English Misplaced Pages. I'm currently working on those articles with SuperHamster--Mishae (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

If you create an article with a redlinked category it is best to create the category at the same time. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't translate well, so I translate only a small stub articles. The category was too big for my translation skills. I hope its O.K. with you?--Mishae (talk) 23:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

There is no translation needed to create a category since they can be set up without any text. Note that I have set up Category:Clytrini. That is the genus you seem to be working on at present. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Italics

Can you please use italics for the species names as I did in the Clytra novempunctata article? Thanks. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

One more point

Place the stub message template below the categories as I did with the Clytra novempunctata article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No need. I am doing that too now.--Mishae (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, and thanks for taking up the task of creating beetle articles! I have taken the liberty of copy editing your created articles. Could you have a look at what I have done? It might help when creating new articles. I for instance removed tribe and subfamily authorities from the articles about species (a species authority only needs the authority for the species itself and synonyms, subspecies, etc.). Furthermore, if the species has no common name, the latin name should always be in italics (also in the text, not only in the taxobox). Please check the taxobox contains the fields: species, binomial and binomial_authority. You had that for most, but some only had species and species_authority. I think that was about it. Please continue writing articles, you are doing a great job! Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I removed tribe and subgenus from all my articles.--Mishae (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Перевод

Здравствуйте. Заметил с позавчера, что Вы переводите стабы о насекомых с ру.ВП, поскольку боты проставляют кучу новых интервик на мои статьи. Чего я хочу сказать. Заметил я, что в этих статьях не хватает тех ссылок в ен.ВП, которые проставлены в оригинальной статье в ру.ВП. Вопрос: почему?Afro-Braz-Ilian 08:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Хороший ворос. Не знаю. А когда я переводил с русского на украинский было тоже самое? Кстати, меня на РуВП заблокировали чуть меньше года назад, но АК может меня разблокировать если будет наставник. Можете ли вы им быть, пожалуйста?--Mishae (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

По какой причине Вас блокировали? /// Наставником, я, не буду. Да и какой лично Вам нужен наставник? Чем он Вам мог бы помочь? /// Ну а источники нужно все проставлять. Я приблизительно догадываюсь почему Вы не расставляете референсы, наверное из-за того, что всех их нельзя просто скопировать и вставить в ен.ВП, а нужно ещё изменить шаблон на англоязычный, и тд. Но, есть простой выход.. можно просто со статьи из ру.ВП, когда Вы её только открыли - то есть читательное, а не редакционное окошко, и скопировать источник - просто выделив от автора до конца названия книги или статьи и вставить новый референс в ен.ВП под удобным Вам названием, и раскидав как раскидано по переведённой статье.

Приведу пример:

Вот атлас-определитель агиртидов, реферанс, который правильно подогнан под шаблон "Книга" в ру.ВП:

<ref name="NikolaevKozminykh2002">{{книга|автор = Николаев Г. В. и Козьминых В. О.|часть = |заглавие = Жуки-мертвоеды (Coleoptera: Agrytidae, Siplhidae) Казахстана, России и ряда сопредельных стран. Определитель|оригинал = |ссылка = |ответственный = |издание = |место = Алматы|издательство = «Ќазаќ университеті»|год = 2002|том = |страницы = 36|страниц = 159|серия = |isbn = 9965-12-134-6|тираж = }}</ref>

Может показаться, что нужно брать английский шаблон и подгонять под него, вставляя авторов в топик aut, название статьи в name и т.д. Но совсем не обязательно так делать, да и переводить, это лично мне кажется, нелепостью, можно просто выделить со статьи →

Николаев Г. В. и Козьминых В. О. Жуки-мертвоеды (Coleoptera: Agrytidae, Siplhidae) Казахстана, России и ряда сопредельных стран. Определитель — Алматы: «Ќазаќ университеті», 2002. — С. 36. — 159 с. — ISBN 9965-12-134-6.

и вставить в

<ref name="NikolaevKozminykh2002"></ref>

под этим же названием, либо под другим, Вам придуманным. А название статьи, книги выделить наклонным шрифтом.

На этом моё наставничество заканчивается. Afro-Braz-Ilian 18:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Странно, вы отказываетесь быть моим наставником, но инетересуетесь за что меня заблокировали? Ладно, история будет длинная: Дело в том что из за своей болезни я могу быть очень резким человеком, поэтому не удержался и ляпнул чего не надо. Все началось с того что я решил по редактировать весь кинематограф, может быть я это делал не так как "они хотели". Дело в том, что мне какой-то участник сказал что года в статьях про людей можно и не викифицировать. При том при всем, это был администратор, а не просто "участник"! Я послушался и начал девикифицировать года. После чего, посыпались сообщения на моё СО впредь до предупреждений. Не говоря уже о том что я терпеть не могу когда кто-то "врываеться" в моё СО, с "криком" Остановитесь. Я решил это "предупреждение" удалить через полгода, но администратор поставил его на место. Однако, ведь можно все сообщения просматривать через "просмотр истории"? Ибо по ихним правилам было сказано что "предупреждения потерявшые актуальность могут быть удалены не ранее чем через неделю". Дальше идёт другая "петрушка": Дело в том, что первые 4 мои статьи про кинематограф, были нарушением авторских прав, что в прочем не самое лучшее, но как первые статьи это простительно. Так шёл месяц, другой, мои статьи стали получаться лучше, притензий не у кого не было. Вдруг, я решил по редактировать и началось. Моё СО было завалено предупреждениями, даже сравнением меня с одним из заблокированых участников, что меня в обще взбесило. Чем люди были не довольны ума не прилажу. Вроде бы в РуВики есть правило "правьте смело", которое я взял на вооружение. Но как мне пояснили, "вы занимаетесь разпатрулированием статей", т.е, я накручиваю счётчик правок. А как мне делать правки без этого? После этого я решил: "Ладно, мои правки им не нравяться, я напишу новую статью, плюс, меня уже давно просили об этом". Что я и сделал. За весь год я создал 124 статьи в РуВики, что в сумме стаж участника, а не вандала, которым они меня называли там. Я создал очередную статью, и опять у меня вышел, к сожалению, плагиат. Меня выдали предупреждение, типа: "ещё раз увижу, зблокирую". Я решил это предупреждение удалить, заметив что моё СО уже кишит всякими предупреждениями, и другими репликами. Потом мне объяснили что "участник не имеет право удалять сообщения за искючением вандальных или пустых реплик". Мне казалось, что большинство реплик на моей СО были пустыми, поэтому я удалил предупреждение ещё раз, на сей раз другое. После этого, мне было выдано последнее предупреждение которое патрулирующий назвал "китайским". Не понимаю при чём тут это, и в обще не зная шутки такой я удалил его "китайское предупреждение", после чего настала блокировка. Озверевший на всю ситуацию я выяснил что патрулирующий работает над проектом "Израиль", а значит еврей. Я, со злобы, послал следующее сообщение заблокировавшему меня администратору, Андрею Романенко (знаете такого?): "Мало вас немцы били!" "Чтоб вы сдохли!", и всё такое. Сообразив что я слишком "горячо" высказался, я послал ему извинения, но было уже поздно. Вся "административная орава" уже кричала "в бессрочку его!", которую я потом и получил. И не одну, а две сразу. Одну, за удаление предупреждения, а второе, за оскорбление, за которые я правда извинился. После этого, я подал иск в АК. Но наглые администраторы включили автоблокировку, о которой я не знал. А арбитры отказали мне в разблокировке, из за её обхода. В настоящий момент я жду, что бы подать ещё раз, через 3 месяца. АК сказал что он может меня разблокировать только если у меня будет наставник, ибо так решила эта "тройка". В прочем, зря я вам это говорю, вы моим наставником все равно там не будете... Если я чего-то сказанул что являеться "оскорблением" в той или иной форме, прошу прощения.--Mishae (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

А, ясно. Ну, что я могу сказать... не надо было девикифицировать то, о чём сказано - "...не обязательно викифицировать...". С оскорблениями и выведением из себя, я и сам попадал, и даже два раза был блокирован... причина я молод и латыш, то есть не русский, и русским не владею, не то чтобы совсем, а не в совершенстве. Но как Вы могли заметить, по моему с Вами диалогу, это не совсем так. Да, и это не значит если участник участник какому-нибудь национального или этнического проекта сам такой. Но иногда... . Я думаю, что Вам больше повезёт в этом проекте, нежели в ру.ВП. Afro-Braz-Ilian 16:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Спасибо за моральную поддержку, вы настоящий друг. Не то что эти на руВики которым любой "пук", выше нормы! Вот и я об этом. Если хотите, можете взглянуть на мою статью. Вас блокировали на максимум три дня, меня бессрочно. Две разные вещи. В русской Википедии плохо понимают юмор. Вам повезло а они могли вам за шутку тоже впаять, они же в руВики очень обидчивые. Советую вам перейти в Традицию, там все равны.--Mishae (talk) 02:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

О Традиции знаю, один участник предлагал взять участие в данном проекте, но я скажу Вам, что мне не по душе данный проект. Причина тому - мне нужны подтверждённые данные и конкретика, с указанием всех источников, которые использовались при написании, там тоже можно, но только можно, и нет правила ОРИСС как в ВП. /// Дабы меня не блокировали навечно - бессрочно я старался обходить грубость и обзывания. ||| Я могу Вам предлагать создавать, то есть давать ссылки на те тексты, которые Вы можете переводить на энглиш проставляя в них все мною проставленные ссылки и Вы будете здесь в почёте. Afro-Braz-Ilian 15:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Договорились! Я бы мог обойтись без грубостей и обзываней, но прочитайте мую страницу участника, и вы поймете почему не в силах иногга это сделать, особенно если меня критикуют, и правацируют. Я очень плохо воспренимаю критику, просто хочу предупредить, что бы не было как в РуВики. Что косаеться ссылок в Традиции, вы имеете полное право перевести любую статью из РуВики в Традицию, и ни кто вам ни чего не скажет. Единственное что нужно будет сделать это поставить шаблон Википедия, и вставить ссылку на википедийскую статью.--Mishae (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Про то, что и как в Традиции можно править я знаю, уже участвовал. /// Читал. /// Я постепенно правлю свои старые статьи в ру.ВП и выписываю исправленные в отдельную собственнуюстраничку, тоже самое я делаю с хорошими новыми статьями. Эти списки постоянно обновляю, по ним Вы можете ссылаться на те статьи в которых оптимальная (о количестве информации) и подтверждённая информация, и переводить на английский. Желаю удачи. Если какие вопросы будут возникать в процессе, то пишите мне в СО в ен.ВП, я часто хожу сюда статьи читать. Afro-Braz-Ilian 04:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Images

I dont understand.. These images are copyrighted as far as I can see.. We cannot use them on wikipedia. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

O', didn't knew that, sorry. But can you find me some that don't? Plus, how come putting a game or DVD cover is not considered to be a copyright violation, while putting a picture of a bug is? Like, how did you put the images in your articles (I hope I am not accusing you?)--Mishae (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Read this to understand what images you can use: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:UploadWizard Ruigeroeland (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

So, I read it. Are you implying that the photos you have on your articles, are the ones you take yourself. I doudt that some of this animals live anywhere in this nation?--Mishae (talk) 00:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

no, they were made by someone else, but they released them under a free licence. If you edit an article on wikipedia you also release your text under a free licence. People can also do this with pictures, music, etc. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and to clarify: a dvd or cd cover is copyrighted, but using these is considered "Fair use". This is because there is no free alternative for a cover (a dvd has only one cover). This is not the case for a picture of an animal. You can also read more about uploading images here Misplaced Pages:Uploading images. Ruigeroeland (talk) 13:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that clears everything, sorry if it took me that long to get the point! So, can you find me a non copyrighted images? Another thing, the reason why I sent the images to you, wasn't my idea to scare you, like forcing you into illegal activity. I sent because I tought you will find a way how to make them not copyrighted, like free use, or contacting the site administrator (that sometimes they do on the Russian wikipedia). Again, if you tought that I forced you to do something wqrong, I am deeply sorry about it.--Mishae (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I would like to help you out, but I really dont have the time for that. I usually dont include a picture if I cannot find a free one. If you are looking for pictures, first try Wikimedia commons. If there are no pictures there, you could try Flickr. Please note that most pictures on Flickr are copyrighted though! But you may find some free ones to use.

Another thing though: I noticed you started making a some one sentence stubs on species. This is generally not ok. You should at least put in distribution data (where it lives) and a reference. Furthermore: the source you are using to create them is out of date. I found two who are no longer in the genus Agonum anymore. See: Agonum arizonensis, which is now in another genus. I suggest you use a good source to find the current Taxonomy. A good place to start might be: http://carabidae.pro/carabidae.html. And please: add all synonyms if you make an article. This is very important for insect articles to prevent making several pages about the same species. Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I now see you made A LOT of these one sentence articles without a reference. Please stop doing this. Most of these are not even valid species anymore. They are either synonyms or placed in another genus. Please use a good source like the website I mentioned: http://carabidae.pro/carabidae.html Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I wanted to tell you earlier, but since I already fill you up with questions, I decided not too. I now put references in majority of my articles, thanks to your site!--Mishae (talk) 05:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Parentheses

Not too long ago, I asked you to be careful about adding and removing parentheses from taxonomic authorities. I notice that you have again been adding misinformation to Misplaced Pages in this way. Please stop. --Stemonitis (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of synonym

Hello Mishae. I have a short remark: I noticed you are adding synonyms to the taxoboxes now. Great! One thing though: you spell synonym as synonim. This is incorrect. As a result the synonyms are not visible in the taxobox. Please check if you spelled it right from now on and the problem should be fixed. Thanks. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Authorities

And please make sure you add the right authority for a species. In Neocrepidodera ferruginea, you added Heikertinger 1911 as the species authority. This is not correct. This is the author of the GENUS. The author of the species is Scopoli 1763. See . It is really important to get this right. Ruigeroeland (talk) 08:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm soooo sorry! Some sites listed it as that so I added as that. But, you know better, I wont argue. Again, I am sorry for the incorrection. Another thing to point out: Just recently I learned where I need to put the prentecies and where not. So, I am learning slowly. I'm sorry if it took me 2 months to learn it! You see, different Wikipedias have different way to write the word synonyms. Some Wikipedias like Russian for example, will have | Syn =, and then synonyms will be written in Russian. In Ukranian though, its different, you write the same thing as above, and it will automatically give the Ukranian word for it! English on the other hand, is requering you to write the whole word, which I didn't knew about. Just to let you know, I have CP and autism, so it will take me a bit longer to get the point. So, yeah, I am appologizing for the third time, and I would like to thank you for having patience with me. O' and if its not hard, you can call me just Misha, I don't mind if people call me by my user name, but then again, you can drop the e and you will get my name.--Mishae (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I had the same sort of problems when starting out. You just need to find some sites you can trust. A good tip might be to use Fauna Europaea for European species. See: http://www.faunaeur.org/ It lists distribution, authority and some synonyms (not all of them most of the time though). Cheers and keep it up! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

New Biology-related articles

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thanks for your recent run of new Biology-related articles. Your efforts to improve Misplaced Pages are appreciated! Northamerica1000 07:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Arab Institute for the Holocaust Research and Education

A couple of things. One, does this institute meet our guidelines for notability at WP:ORG? The answer is yes, but you haven't shown it. You need to find sources discussing it, which is easy. I've added an external link to a German newspaper which is recent - use Chrome to translate it easily. I've also moved it to its correct title, which is Arab Institute for Holocaust Research and Education. Dougweller (talk) 10:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! About The Egyptian Peasant and your link: I hope you have noticed that I tried to minimize plegiarism as possible. You see, I was banned from editing on the Russian Misplaced Pages, for the same reason. So, I am sheepish to do anything bad.--Mishae (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

How to avoid copyvio text

As I've said, your text needs to look substantial different in organisation and language. See Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing for more guidance. Dougweller (talk) 10:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Al-Manara Square for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Al-Manara Square is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Al-Manara Square until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. RichardMills65 (talk) 03:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Misha - Sam

Hi, Misha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urness.sam (talk • contribs) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Здравствуйте. Прочёл Вашу просьбу и не понял, почему Вы полагаете, что в Википедии бессрочно не блокируют участников, над которыми ставят наставников? Ваша вера в то, что наставник сможет наставить Вас на правильные действия при редактировании Вами статей и защитить Вас от блокировок и недоразумений, безосновательна. Psychiatrick (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Stories Project

Привет!

Меня зовут Виктор, и я рассказчик с Wikimedia Foundation, некоммерческая организация, которая поддерживает Википедию. Я хронику вдохновляющие истории общины Википедии по всему миру, в том числе и от читателей, редакторов и доноров. Истории совершенно необходимы для любой некоммерческой, чтобы убедить людей, чтобы поддержать дело, и мы знаем, обширная сеть людей, которые делают и используют Википедии так много акций.

Я чистящих страниц пользователей ищет вдохновлять, мотивировать и интересных историй о том, как Википедия влияют на жизнь людей. Я задавал вопросы вроде "Как Википедия изменила вашу жизнь?", "Какая самая интересная история у вас есть о Википедии?" и "Википедии ли когда-нибудь вас удивило?"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

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Victor Grigas (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Science lovers wanted!

Science lovers wanted!

Hi! I'm serving as the wikipedian-in-residence at the Smithsonian Institution Archives until June! One of my goals as resident, is to work with Wikipedians and staff to improve content on Misplaced Pages about people who have collections held in the Archives - most of these are scientists who held roles within the Smithsonian and/or federal government. I thought you might like to participate since you are interested in the sciences! Sign up to participate here and dive into articles needing expansion and creation on our to-do list. Feel free to make a request for images or materials at the request page, and of course, if you share your successes at the outcomes page you will receive the SIA barnstar! Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to your participation! Sarah (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

SIA project!

Hey Misha! So happy that you came by the Smithsonian Institution Archives project and signed up to participate! We've got a great list of subjects that need to be improved upon or written about. I do hope you'll visit the to-do list and dive in - do let me know if you need anything. And of course, your contributions can earn you the official oh so fancy SIA barnstar :) Thanks again! So happy to have you on board! SarahStierch (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Mishae, for starting a new article on Truncatella californica, a species of gastropod! The folks at WikiProject Gastropods are grateful for a new stub to improve our coverage. Invertzoo (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

You are so wellcome! I will try to find some more, and maybe expand on the genus.--Mishae (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, you are kind. Also thanks for the two Bullina articles. Invertzoo (talk) 10:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Again, you are so welcome. I hope not only the folks, but the gastropods themselves are grateful too! Hey, its the articles about us, weeeee!! :)

Sincerely,

Gastropods.--Mishae (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Your post on my talk page

Sorry, I was taking a break. Not sure I have time to help right now in any case, but if it's an emergency, of course. Dougweller (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

You may try. I was warned once more for copyvio, this time it was close paraphrasing. I'm just afraid that I might get blocked if I will do it one more time! And you know, I don't have intention to violate any policies on Misplaced Pages, including copyvio.--Mishae (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Linking to disambiguation pages

Hello, Mishae, and thank you for your edits. Your recent edits to Elipsocus pumilis, Ectopsocus briggsi, Ectopsocus petersi and other similar pages included a number of links to disambiguation pages. These include Ash, Elder, and Lime. I've corrected several of these, but you may want to have a look back at these and other pages you edited to ensure that there are no more links to disambiguation pages, or that my repairs have not accidentally linked to the wrong page. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Species from Great Britain, most of them have a larger distribution in Europe

Hello Mishae, great to see you are still making species articles, keep it up! Would you be so kind to use Fauna Europaea for European species next to the source you are already using? You are now saying a species is found in Great Britain and Ireland, but most of these species have a much wider distribution. You can easily find the distribution (within Europe) of ALL European animals by using Fauna Europaea. Go to , Put the name of the genus in the field "(Sub) Genus" and the name of the species in "(Sub) species" and click search. Click on the species you are looking for in the result page. You get the page displaying the taxonomy of the species (including synonyms). Then scroll down and click "display in table" or "display on map" to see where the species is found in Europe. See for instance for Stenopsocus stigmaticus, a page you made recently. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Common names and italics

Hello Mishae! May I ask why you are moving the italics from the binomial name to the common name, like you did here? Curiously, jonkerz ♠talk 00:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps people would look onto a common name rather than a scientific name. O' and I don't move italics, I just add 2 extra (') to the bold text. Mean time, I remove the 2 (') from binomial name, in order for it not to look double bolded. If it bothers you, let me know.--Mishae (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

These changes should be reverted since binomial names should always be in italics, while common names should almost never be italicized; this is the style used throughout most of science, and also the style used on Misplaced Pages (see WP:ITALICS). jonkerz ♠talk 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This is exactly what I tried to do. How about this: Grey Antbird--Mishae (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

The italics on the binomial name is good, but italic type should not be used on common names without a good reason, and your use goes against the established style. See Eurasian Tree Sparrow for an example of a featured article following the manual of style. jonkerz ♠talk 01:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

See, the user before me used bold text on binomial, I decided to correct it which ended up with this for example: Grey Antbird. Now, am I did this article right or not?--Mishae (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This is how it should look. I only removed the italics from the common name. jonkerz ♠talk 01:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I apologize for anything that I did wrong, by trying to do it right.--Mishae (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) Keep up the good work, cheers, jonkerz ♠talk 01:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Before you go, question, is it the same with every animal? Because I used to do insects and I did the same thing there, no body told me though it was a mistake.--Mishae (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

(outdent) Yes, the same style should be used on all animal (and plant) articles. I corrected a few articles linked from your user page. Many other have been edited by other users, such as this article (the same user also posted a message to your talk page here). Here is an excerpt from WP:ITALICS about when italics should be used:

"Genus and all lower taxa (including species and subspecies), but not higher taxa. The entire scientific name should be italicized, except where an author, 'cf.', or some other interpolation is included in or appended to the name. (See #Scientific names for details.)"

If you're not certain, you can try to follow the link and see how it was done in that article. For example, on Early sunshiner, Carabidae should not be in italics, but Amara should. And Early sunshiner should be in bold because it's the article's title, and Amara famelica should be in italics because it's a binomial name.

I have to go to sleep now, but feel free to ask me anything if you have any questions, and I'll answer them in the morning. jonkerz ♠talk 01:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

commas and parentheses

Hi, Mishae. I see you're changing lead sentences in biology articles from the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager, Ramphocelus sanguinolentus," to the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus),". Thanks for making them conform with the MOS. However, please note that when you do that, you should delete the second comma as well, so it should look like "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus) is a rather small Middle American songbird." See Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Lead_section#Organisms. Thank you. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed that article and Lazuli Bunting. You did it correctly at Rufous-bellied Saltator. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for not blocking me, altough unfortunately, I already did the same thing to fishes and mammals alike.--Mishae (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Persondata

Why are you removing persondata templates from articles? Deor (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

If the userbox is present why should the person data be there? Besides, there is more info in the texabox then in persondata, don't you think?--Mishae (talk) 02:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Click on the link in my post above. Persondata is metadata that serves a different purpose from the displayed infoboxes in articles. Please revert your removals of these templates. Deor (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I read it, but what purpose does it serve? Doesn't it takes some gigs away, like gigs on Wikiservers? By the way, I don't have any reverting tools such as HotCat and others, so can you do it for me. I will stop. Plus, from what I can tell only English, German, French, Polish, and Spanish have it, others don't, so whats the point?--Mishae (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't use automated tools either, so I've asked at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive236#Need a batch revert for someone to revert the removals. The relevant passage in the page I directed you to explains that persondata "unlike conventional Misplaced Pages content, can be automatically extracted and processed by cataloging tools and then used for a variety of purposes, such as providing advanced search capabilities, statistical analysis, automated categorization, and birthday lists". The information in infoboxes can't be used for these purposes. Deor (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

O.K. So, I stoped. Questions: 1. Is it designed for Misplaced Pages staff only (as far as I can tell from your post)? and 2. Why does Misplaced Pages need Categorization or Birthday lists in persondata if the userbox have exactly the same info, if not more detailed such as alma mater and other stuff, which all of the persondata lacks off? I'm sorry if I did something wrong, hope I won't be blocked!--Mishae (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just finished reverting all of those edits (I think). Please do not do that again. The PERSONDATA is in the article for external websites to scan from database dumps because it is in machine-readable format. The infoboxes are so varied and commonly contain references that computers cannot parse the data. And no, I'm not going to block you. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification Reaper, I am personaly sorry if I caused any destraction toward your site. Sometimes I use the common sense, but sometimes I lack of it. Plus, since I don't know Java, HTML, XML, or SQL scripts, my common sense versus computer language is apparently pointless. Again sorry if I caused any major trouble.--Mishae (talk) 03:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Mishae, not to beat a dead horse (I think you have the idea now) but the equivalent of Persondata exists on around twenty Wikipedias including German de:Vorlage:Personendaten and French fr:Modèle:Métadonnées personne. Thanks for understanding, cheers! --joe decker 03:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You see, my assumption was at first, that PERSONDATA was used so that people could put an infobox instead of the PERSONDATA, and that was the reason why I deleted it. My other assumption was that it might take som gigs away, and perhaps thats the main reason why other Wikis such as Russian, Ukranian and Belarussian, among others, don't use it. But if its a useful tool, and it doesn't take a lot of space, despite having all caps, then I won't mess with it. Another question though, if its used to scan from database dumps of the external websites, why can't we use the same thing for every article? Every article is online based, so therefore, shouldn't it be used in every article, like animals for example?--Mishae (talk) 04:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I can only answer some of those questions, if you want a smarter/deeper discussion on this I'd suggest here as a start.

But a few comments: it's important to understand that PERSONDATA is part of a whole variety of efforts to improve machine usability of the information in Misplaced Pages. (See, for example, dbPedia) And, like most of Misplaced Pages, it's a work in progress, which may explain why it's not "every" Misplaced Pages, etc.

For machine-usable information, you'd need to create a whole lot of structures for other types of information -- the characteristics important to, and generally available for people (birth date, occupation) don't necessarily make sense for biological species, or films, or... so longer term semantic machine-processable information would need to expand its range of templates, or ... well, we'll have to see. It may be (and again, WT:PERSONDATA is a better place to ask) this information will become a part of the new Wikidata initiative, but if it does, that information will have to come from somewhere, and right now the existing supply of PERSONDATA templates is in many ways the most reliable single place to start getting that information.

Hope this helps! --joe decker 05:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

There is something similar already in use, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Microformats/hcard. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, thats explain everything for me! So far I know of WikipediaCommons.--Mishae (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing Misplaced Pages never takes "som gigs away". Edits, deletions, and other actions only ever increase the size of the database. Uncle G (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Uncle G, can you please not mock my spelling. Plus, how do I know, as I said before, I don't know any computer language such as SQL and others. Thanks though, for your explanation.--Mishae (talk) 13:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Kiddo, that's quotation, not mockery. Any mockery exists solely in your mind, as it plainly doesn't exist in the above. Uncle G (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
• Uncle G, that is not wholly correct, though it is a message that needs constantly hammering home at RfD. While all edits do increase the size of the basic database, it is possible to increase it by less by making certain other changes at the same time, the "action" that reduces the saved page size, can reasonably be said to be decreasing the size of the database. For example removing all trailing spaces (from content pages alone) would decrease the size of the database by a significant amount (substantially over 30M), and every time a version of all pages was saved another 30M would be saved. So over about 30 edits a gig is saved. That is substantial. Add the mirrors, backups, copies and data dumps and the amount multiplies up substantially.

  Moreover reductions in page size do reduce the size of some of the XML dumps. Again many many copies of these are made, so we are talking significant amounts of disk, bandwidth, electricity, cost, CO₂ etc.

  Thirdly, and somewhat tangentially, intelligent template coding can sometimes reduce the size of rendered pages substantially, although WP pages carry a massive overhead of cruft that we cannot affect. Rich Farmbrough, 16:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC).
  

  • You're going to confuse poor Mishae with this, especially with the Newspeak that "increasing the size of database by less than it could be increased by" equals "decreasing the size of the database". Away to The Pump with you, stingy whitespace-scrimper! ☺ Uncle G (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Uncle G, as you can see I am not blind, and yes, I can tell the difference between quotation and mockery. I maybe miss understood you, but I certanly won't say "Any mockery exists solely in your mind", just because I miss understood you. To be honest, you are not perfect either (at least I think that, not all humans think the same). For example you wrote: "only ever". To me, that might be an incorect spelling of English, but how do I know. I'm Russian, I also have autism (if you didn't read my userpage yet). I don't even know what version of English do you speak, American, Australian, or British? And no, its not Rich Farmbrough that confuses me, its unfortunately you! At least the mentioning of The Pump was in my opinion unnecessary, not to mention I don't know anything about that either. Now, unlike Joe Decker, you are just started beating a dead horse (i.e. started a whole new discussion out of nothing). Do you want to continue? Fine, I will be more then happy to argue, and maybe either win or lose it. As far as sending Rich Farmbrough to The Pump, how about you turn yourself to the RfD? Maybe you will learn a thing or two.--Mishae (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

As far as this quotation from Rich Farmbrough goes: "Again many many copies of these are made, so we are talking significant amounts of disk". Bingo! That means that the more data we have in our Misplaced Pages the more disc space we need (i.e. buying new servers, etc). On whose money are we buying it? Aha! Ours. Yes, our money that we donate to this wonderful site goes to Wikimedia foundation to pay for servers and other technical stuff such software, and probably, yes, even the PERSONDATA (however, I might be wrong). I know that some of it goes into Jimbo Wales's and his 3 admins account as well, but thats another story for another discussion, which I don't want to start. On the other hand (since that data means articles), the more we have that data, the more users would come to join the project.--Mishae (talk) 23:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Green-backed Sparrow

Thanks for letting me know, Misha, though I had nothing to do with that article. I definitely agree that detailed information on subspecies and distribution is valuable. I copyedited your additions. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 00:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Dead BirdLife link and autopatrol

Hi again. The problem with the BirdLife link at Saffron-billed Sparrow was that it referred to the 2004 version, which is no longer available. I updated it to a link to the 2008 version (following the form at Common Tern, which is a featured article). I had to search BirdLife to find the ID number of the species.

I don't know what you mean by "autopatrol". If it's something only admins can do, I'm not an admin. If you just mean to put them on my watchlist, I'll do that.

Does that help? —JerryFriedman (Talk) 03:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've never used AWB or any bot. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

 Ryan Vesey Review me! 19:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Misha, you have called User:Stemonitis and me "reverting scum" and "fascistic". This is not acceptable language, and if I notice you referring to me or any other editor in similar way again I will report it at WP:ANI. PamD 22:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Boo-hoo-hoo. The more you sent me threats like this the more I will say it. Infact thats actually the reason why I called you a "fascist". Because instead of ignoring my harsh dialogue you guys go rogue on it! I need help, not warnings, and not bans.

"if I notice you referring to me or any other editor in similar way again I will report it at WP:ANI" - If it offends you, and don't want to see it just ignore it! Is it that hard? My other suggestion would if you will just cut both of your eyes out, that might prevent you from seeing my pointless edits, and other crap that I do, that you don't like. Altough I don't want to be blocked by using threats now.--Mishae (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Threats, etc.

Please stop I happened to see the relevant thread at WP:AN/I. If you have a condition on the autism spectrum, I understand that this can complicate your ability to communicate with others--I have volunteered with the special needs community for over a decade and I used to work in a rehab facility for kids with special needs. That makes sense to me. I also understand that if there's a language barrier, it will be tricky to express yourself. But if you know what words like "hate" and "fascist" mean, you also know how to say, "I disagree with you" and "I don't think you understand me." Any time you find yourself writing something that you know will get you in trouble, just delete it, go get something to drink or a bite to eat, and then come back and write your note in a more positive tone. I think everyone here can understand if you're having difficult with communicating, but I don't think anyone here is a bigot toward autistics. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Also If you need help with something and think that I can assist you, let me know. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is difficult for me to communicate with people that are against me. I understand that Misplaced Pages is not a therapy, all I need help with is edits, and understanding other people. The thing is, I don't like forced apoligies, especially when I assume that that person will just say "thanks" and will persist on reverting, which will cause me to do it again, and I don't want that to happen! The thing is is that I am a part of special needs community, and its very difficult for me (despite my high functioning autism) to communicate with normal people in a normal way. You see, I do try my best, but it doesn't work that way. I was forced to cross out my rhetorics under a threat of being banned and people whining. How do you think that make me feel? The people at WP:AN/I don't seem to care! If you can, can you please go to the forum and explain couple of things to them that I just mentioned to you? Thanks! Another thing, can you give your personal e-mail? I think we might understand each other better that way, and maybe even become friends, of which I really want to.--Mishae (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned pages

As you may have noticed, many of your pages like Cerobasis denticulata have had {{Orphan}} placed on them. The easiest way to de-orphan pages like this is to create a template or navbox that includes a link to all members of the Cerobasis genus. If you create templates for these, and for other articles I have been adding {{Orphan}} to, I can use AWB to add the template to all of the articles. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

How do I create a navbox?--Mishae (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll attempt to create an example.

{{Navbox |name = {{subst:PAGENAME}} |title = Insects in the '']'' genus |image = |above = |state = |listclass = hlist |group1 = |list1 = *''] *] *]'' |below = }}

You could create this at Template:Navbox Cerobasis and create similar ones for similar lists. Continue the list by adding the rest of the species. There is no reason to italicize each listing because you can put italics marks around the entire group in the list like I did. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I notice that you have added it to pages. I highly suggest that you create the various navboxes as templates and transclude them to the pages. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Something like this?: Template:Navbox Cerobasis--Mishae (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, I was incorrect in the italics information, but I fixed it. I also modified the name parameter, because that is what gives people the ability to edit it. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:56, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition, remember to remove the orphan tag from anything you add it to. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

First of all, I would like to apologize to you for any miss communication we had, and please don't revoke AWB! I didn't ment to use it in a malicius or distructive way, and since you showed me how to do it with a template (of which I didn't knew anything about), it will be great for me to learn how to activate an AWB.

• Second, I would like to thank you for any assistance, and I am apologizing again for any trouble I caused, and I hope (and promise), I will keep it cool for the rest of the year and beyond (or at least I will try my hardest). =)--Mishae (talk) 22:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Navbox Agonum

No problem, I would like to see you continue to work with User:Koavf. I've got about 360 pages of your contributions that I am still going over with genfixes and typo fixes. Then, if you give me a list of the navboxes you create, I can add them to the articles for you. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Actualy I would like to do it myself, it will keep me busy. Your job as I wanted it to be is to AWB the pages. Another question: Is there is a site that I can find more information on scientists? You see, I think what I needed is this template. Now I can do my constructive editing without fear of being blocked.--Mishae (talk) 22:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

• Template:Clytra
• Template:Sitticus
• Template:Dorcadion
• Template:Recilia
• Template:Navbox Lachnaia
• Template:Navbox Eburia
• Template:Navbox Carabus
• Template:Cheilotoma
• Template:Anastrangalia
• Template:Navbox Cassida
• Template:Navbox Artemisia
• Template:Stenodema
• Template:Altica
• Template:Navbox Lebia
• Template:Navbox Chenopodium
• Template:Navbox Dysphania (moth)
• Template:Navbox Dysphania (plant)
• Template:Carallia
• Template:Xylodromus
• Template:Phelsuma
• Template:Elipsocus
• Template:Lachesilla
• Template:Anabarilius
• Template:Navbox Amolops
• Template:Navbox Hynobius
• Template:Navbox Myrmica
• Template:Navbox Chalepoxenus
• Template:Navbox Stygodiaptomus
• Template:Navbox Strongylognathus
• Template:Agapanthia
• Template:Navbox Bombus
• Template:Elasmostethus
• Template:Chaetocnema
• Template:Asterocampa
• Template:Apolygus
• Template:Navbox Chrysolina
• Template:Navbox Opsilia
• Template:Navbox Echium
• Template:Oxyrhopus
• Template:Navbox Cychrus
• Template:Navbox Oxyptilus
• Template:Navbox Nippoptilia
• Template:Sphenarches
• Template:Navbox Amblyptilia
• Template:Navbox Leptodeuterocopus
• Template:Navbox Paracapperia
• Template:Navbox Vietteilus
• Template:Navbox Inferuncus
• Template:Crombrugghia
• Template:Stenodacma
• Template:Navbox Gillmeria
• Template:Trichoptilus
• Template:Buckleria
• Template:Dejongia
• Template:Navbox Megalorhipida
• Template:Stangeia
• Template:Navbox Michaelophorus
• Template:Pselnophorus
• Template:Navbox Stenoptilodes
• Template:Navbox Phelsuma
• Template:Gypsochares
• Template:Navbox Merrifieldia
• Template:Navbox Wheeleria
• Template:Paraplatyptilia
• Template:Navbox Leiostyla
• Template:Navbox Rana
• Template:Navbox Odorrana
• Template:Navbox Conops
• Template:Navbox Bufo
• Template:Navbox Chaunus
• Template:Pipilo
• Template:Navbox Melozone
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• Template:Peucaea
• Template:Aimophila
• Template:Spizella
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• Template:Alberada
• Template:Leucoptera
• Template:Megacephala
• Template:Micropterix
• Template:Oidaematophorus
• Template:Anisopodus
• Template:Hellinsia
• Template:Pluchea
• Template:Vernonia
• Template:Inula
• Template:Baccharis
• Template:Isocoma
• Template:Trichromia
• Template:Hieracium
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• Template:Jacobaea
• Template:Phycitodes
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• Template:Pachytriton
• Template:Nanorana
• Template:Trimeresurus
• Template:Bothriechis
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• Template:Ptinus
• Template:Ablepharus
• Template:Stenocorus
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• Template:Vesperus
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• Template:Cyclura
• Template:Alcedo
• Template:Chrysops
• Template:Euproctus
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• Template:Calotriton
• Template:Sabatinca
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Hmm, I was wondering why you decided to add these nav boxes to species pages. Please note that species pages are not considered orphans if they are linked from the appropriate genus page, please read Misplaced Pages:TAXONORPHAN#Articles_that_may_be_difficult_to_de-orphan. Furthermore, all species in the genus are found on the genus page. If Nav boxes are added, this will create more work if new species are described or species are moved to other genera (which happens quite a lot with insects). All in all I'm not sure it is wise to add these to species pages. I would suggest to discuss this at the wikiproject Tree of Life or wikiproject Insects (since you are concentrating on insects). I seem to remember that the overall opinion regarding these nav boxes was that they were not useful, but dont have the time to search for that discussion at the moment. Ruigeroeland (talk) 12:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you talk to Ryan Vesey about it? He was the one that told me it was O.K. to do it. Plus, the only way how to de-orphan them is to add that Navbox that Ryan told me about. I want to help your project, but if one will critisize me for "pointless edits", the other guy will critisize me for Navboxes, that were, mind you, approved by Ryan as a constructive edit, then I will be so confused. Either way, as long as people wont revert it, I shall continue. Again, talk with Ryan, not me. Thanks.--Mishae (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Let's see here

Hi Mishae. I wasn't expecting to come back from my weekend to find all this. I've got a lot of points that I think should be made here, and I'm going to use a numbering system to help you digest my comments and so we can discuss them further.

1. No one is "out to get you". I know it can feel like people are ganging up on you, but you'll find that people are just seeing the same problems and reacting against them. If you cannot behave in a manner that befits this encyclopedia, you will be removed from it.
2. It is essential that you remain civil, polite or "nice". Even if you feelings are hurt, even if you feel that someone is being rude, lying or nasty in any way shape or form. You need to be the bigger person, and get help if you are having problems.
3. You should do your best to assume good faith of those who talk to you. They are trying to help, even if they disagree with you. See the first point - no one is trying to get you.
4. A Wiki means that anyone can edit anywhere. People do not need to be invited into a conversation. If editors want to join in on a discussion, we should encourage that - decisions are made by groups, not individuals. I encourage many editors to help out at my talk page, if you post there, it may not be me who replies.
5. People will criticise you. You need to learn from these criticisms and improve yourself so that it doesn't happen again. This is perfectly natural and should be encouraged.
6. Edit summaries are a good thing, they summarise what you did in that edit, which allows easier browsing of logs. Going against the suggestion to use them is problematic - please reconsider and get used to using them.
7. You do not own your userpage. You do not own your talk page. You are allowed a lot of leeway in what goes on there, but it's not yours.
8. You should not be worrying about how much database space is out there, that's for the foundation to sort out.
9. Policy on other wikipedias (or indeed any other site) are not relevent. You need to work within the constraints of this site. If you believe a policy or guideline is incorrect, then start a discussion at the policy/guideline page. Do not flout the policy/guideline.
10. Do not generalise. Quite simply, this is where a lot of your comments have caused problems. By generalising two people who have reverted you as reverters you are putting them into a category. You then saw that category as problematic and called them scum. By suggesting that the majority of people on this site are Jewish, you generalised (and what's more, I've seen no evidence of that). Comment specifically on the content eg "I think this was incorrectly reverted because" not the contributor "protect me from these reverting scum"
11. I understand you have Autism and CP. I also understand that makes things more difficult for you, and am willing to take that into account. Things are more difficult for you than some other editors. However, this does not mean that you are allowed to do things that other editors are not. You have to work extra hard at interacting with other editors. I am sure you have the ability to do that, but if you do not, you will have to leave the encyclopedia.

I have removed AWB access. GraemeBartlett is correct, it is a tool - but at the moment, I do not believe that you are able to handle disagreements, so making large numbers of edits is not a good idea. I'm going to suggest that you prove to us that you can handle things for the next month, by either diffusing disagreements or following our dispute resolution process. If you do handle things properly, I (or any other administrator) can return it.

Where we go from here? I'm not going to formally mentor you, I don't have the time to take on that commitment. I will however be watching, and trying to help out where I can. You can come to me for advice or discussion, or especially any problems. Justin (koavf) has very kindly offered to help out too, and I hope you take him up on that offer.

Finally, I want to make this very clear to you. You're on very thin ice here. I personally considered blocking you, but decided to give you one last chance. I will not hesitate in blocking you in the future. Feel free to discuss any of this with me (or anything else), I will never block for civil discussion. Worm(talk) 11:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

First of all, I would like to apologize for any trouble I caused to you as well, and I thyank you for understanding. I really came here to help a project not to vandalise or disrupt it, Moreover, I didn't expect people to react so harshly to my edits, and no, I can't except criticism. Unfortunatelly, the autism doesn't allow me to except criticism in a civil manner. I will try my best, but I can't quarantee that I will be a nice guy, while people around me will be mean! Lets go over some of your comments that I still don't get:

• Edit summaries are a good thing, they summarise what you did in that edit, which allows easier browsing of logs. Going against the suggestion to use them is problematic - please reconsider and get used to using them.
  • Its a suggestion (guideline), not a policy. I don't think anyone can be blocked for not using it.
• You do not own your userpage. You do not own your talk page. You are allowed a lot of leeway in what goes on there, but it's not yours.
  • If its not mine than why its called My userpage or My talkpage?
• You should not be worrying about how much database space is out there, that's for the foundation to sort out.
  • True. Maybe not, but if a server goes out for an hour, I can't edit then. Whats worse, I can't send a message to anyone about it because its down. I understand technical problems can arrise, but non of them suppose to take more than 10 minutes (even that sometimes can be a lot).--Mishae (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear how well you've taken my comments. There was a lot there, and there was a chance that it could have gone badly ;) Now - criticism, you *can* accept. It's difficult and you have to keep reminding yourself, but I know you can do it. We can work out some "escape routes" though - you can contact me if you get into problems, I expect Justin will make the same offer. That doesn't mean that I will instantly be on your side, but I will look at the situation and help you resolve it as best I can. It might mean that I agree with the other person, but I will help you understand why. I'm not looking for guarantees from you, I'm looking for you to try your hardest. As for the other points

• "Guideline" doesn't mean "suggestion". Editors are expected to follow guidelines just as they would follow policy, it's not optional. It's more likely that there's an exception to a guideline than a policy, but that's the only real difference. You can be blocked for misleading edit summaries or abusive edit summaries, and if it's decided that your lack of edit summaries is disruptive, you can be blocked for that too. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.
• On "My userpage" and "My talkpage" you ask a very good question. Whilst you do not own the page, you "own it more than anyone else". Just like renting a house, it's yours in many ways, but you still have to follow certain rules, set down by the actual owner (eg. no pets). As I say, you get considerable leeway, but you cannot use it for "hate speech" or hosting or any number of other purposes.
• Finally, when the server goes out, it's generally either due to an upgrade or someone playing with the databases. It's not due to the amount of whitespace there is in articles. I know it can be frustrating, and I suggest you do a little research into WP:BUGZILLA, which is where this sort of information is discussed. Worm(talk) 14:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

But the white space might have something to do with it.--Mishae (talk) 14:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

No. I can categorically tell you that the amount of white space in pages has nothing to do with the server going down. I say this as a website developer of many years. Worm(talk) 14:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I am saying it as an administrative assistant (from a job which I came today), and there I use a server. O.K. that said, moving on... About AWB: Its sad that you revoked it considering that I did mentioned that I wont use it for threats or other malicious activities. I know that a lot of Wikipedians probably lost faith in me, but you know, I am calm now, and will remain like that with or without AWB. By revoking it, you are using it as a reward, not as a tool, which action contradicts to

(talk page stalker). Just one point, that removing white space won't save any database space anyway, because all the old versions are still retained - if you edit an article to remove white space, you will actually take up more server space because it now has to manage a new version of the article. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

But then when it will get used to the new version, then there will be no problem!--Mishae (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

What he means is that all of the old versions are saved so removing white spaces just creates more information that must be saved, not less. Ryan Vesey Review me! 02:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Question: What Navbox should I use for scientists? Should I use them by year and by country? And by field as well?--Mishae (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if a navbox would be as appropriate for scientists as it would for the species. To de-orphan the scientists you should find pages that would benefit from a link to that scientist. If you point me to a specific scientist I can give you a more thorough idea. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Donald M. Weisman, just created by me 2 hours ago. Another question, should I wikify words like botanist, and other scientific fields in the articles about them, or its just common words that can be left as is?--Mishae (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

That one may be hard to de-orphan, in fact, I'm not entirely sure about his notability. Can you expand exactly what he did with Lepidoptera? Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Here the site: ] Hope it helps!--Mishae (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Question: When and how does Wikipedians nominate articles? I have one in my pile John C. Ewers, that screams for a good article at least!--Mishae (talk) 05:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

As Boing! said Zebedee points out, the very act of removing the whitespace increases the database size, however that's not the point here. The amount of whitespace in comparison to the amount of other text is negligible. It does have certain effects, as explained by Rich, when running reports or doing certain other tasks the whitespace can slow things down - as can every byte of data. However, those tasks are independent of the server going down - excess of whitespace does not lead to lack of server access. Anyway, I'll let you get back to the nomination discussion. Worm(talk) 08:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and as for AWB, I'm not intentionally using it as a reward, though I can see that is a side effect. With any tool on wikipedia, you have the ability to use it incorrectly, and you have a responsibility to discuss feedback on those tools. AWB is a tool which allows you to make large numbers of edits, and so it's important that you react well to feedback on your use of the tool. For the moment, I've seen you reacting badly to feedback. I'm going to be watching for a little while to see if that's a one off, a common thing, or something you can change. At the end of that, I intend to give the tool back, or take some other action. Worm(talk) 08:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Mishae, I've had a look and you seem to have been taking feedback well (especially the section below). Also, you've kept up the hard work in the mean time, and having made a spot check of your edits, I see no reason why you should not have AWB access back. As such, I've returned it to you. Keep up the good work. Worm(talk) 07:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyright and paraphrasing

At Sitticus floricola, you wrote "It spins its cocoon in a place where there is tall vegetation". The original source is "It spins a cocoon in tall vegetation such as ...". I think these are too close, and the source doesn't allow commercial use, so we can not in general copy sentences like this. It would be great if you could go over your past contributions where you might have copied like this and fix any of these problems. Thanks, ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try my best next time. You see, its difficult for me to tell the difference between close paraphrasing and copyvio. I got for copyvio in trouble on the Russian Misplaced Pages though. Let me know if you will spot anything else. is hard not to paraphrase you know.--Mishae (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

How is it now? Again, just let me know if you see something simmilar. I write a lot, and sometimes I don't have time to go over my sources and varify it.--Mishae (talk) 19:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it's ok now. There really isn't any difference between close paraphrasing and copyright violation—close paraphrasing copyrighted material in a manner inconsistent with its license/fair use/etc is violating copyright. If you don't have time to verify things against sources, then slow down! Do that instead of writing more unverified stuff. But verifying some content doesn't have much to do with avoiding paraphrasing. You seem to operate by finding an article like the ones on britishspiders.org.uk and then attempting to get all the material into the new wikipedia article by rewording everything. I think this is ok, but you just need to be really sure that you use all your own words. It's easy to forget and word it in the way that you just read it, but you need to be sure not to do that. You seem to do a pretty good job of that most of the time, as far as I can tell. Thanks! ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 19:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again! Tell you what, I sometimes can't trust myself. The thing is, yes, I sometimes do it from one source (particularly spiders and scientists), sometimes 2 if I can find. The problem is, every time I put a name of a scientist for example, the first 10 sites say for example "We found Fabricius on Facebook", or any other scientists last name. So even if write it with the first name like John or Johan, it doesn't make a difference, and I don't have time to go through 1000 sites that the search engine throws on me, and I use all: Yahoo, Google, Google Chrome, Safari or Opera (If I will find a Mac nearby), Bing, you name it. But if I will use all of them I wouldn't have time to write even a stub! Get the point?--Mishae (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't get it, actually, pardon. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 20:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe he is saying that it is often difficult to find sources because of unrelated results in google searches. Mishae, when you do your searches, are you enclosing the first and last name in parentheses? For example, if I was a scientist, I could search "Ryan Vesey" instead of Ryan Vesey. Or you could decide that you want to make sure scientist appears so you could search for Ryan Vesey Scientist. Finally, try checking through Google scholar and google books . Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Thats exactly what I was trying to say. Every search engine carries more than a million sites, which are given to you in 10s on every page. Now, if I will use 2 or 6 engines just to find one person, I wouldn't even have time to write a stub, considering my job, etc. And scientists are hard. Try to find a scientist under the last name of Weisman. The first site you will find will be about Weisman museum, then kitchen, roofing, etc. Go further... Pretty much same thing. Entering first name Donald Weisman. We find lawyers under the same name, Facebook and LinkIn accounts, where no where is mentioned a word entomologist or botanist or any other scientific field. Now got it?--Mishae (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Stalker: For flora and fauna, you can also search, for example:

• Fabricus site:edu
• Fabricus site:gov
• Fabricus site:org
• Fabricus -com

That helps get rid of commercial sites. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for a tip I'll try it, but even with that is confusing. Scientists are ment to be for .edu, but some (if not most) of them own an organization of some kind, so it might fall under .org category as well.--Mishae (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I was going to say the same thing, when there's plenty of google book hits like this there's no excuse to be using shoddy web databases. Google book ref maker will assist you in making quick citations. This sort of thing. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Referencing

Whilst your new articles are appreciated, the sourcing isn't good enough. You just say "Description" etc. Please fill out your sources using proper Misplaced Pages:Citation templates and add title and publisher, author and date of source if applicable and access date. Example♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Subspecies

Hello again Mishae, nice to see you are still creating beetle stubs and that you improved a lot! Keep it up. One thing: when you make subspecies, you should not use "binomial" and "binomial authority" but "trinominal" and "trinominal_authority". I fixed this in your recent batch. Furthermore, the link to the species (in the taxobox) in the last batch was bold, while it should be italic. I fixed this too. You should probably add a link to the subspecies on the species page, because at the moment, nothing links to these subspecies. You could consider to add the info about the subspecies to the species page like I always do. See for instance: Pseudacraea dolomena. But if you prefer making pages on the subspecies, feel free to continue. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Dont forget to add "| synonyms =" to the taxobox if you add the synonyms to the article. See for instance your article Carabus perrini perrini, where I added it for you. Cheers!

Sorry that I forgot that once, usually I put them in, but some species or subspecies don't have them, so its difficult to know if they have them or not. Thanks for letting me know without blocking! Despite this, how am I doing on the subspecies? Another question: The articles on the subspecies I create are stubs, should we merge them into a species list, so that the reader could read about subspecies on the species article without links to subspecies? Would approve any advice.--Mishae (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages

Thank you for your recent articles, including Carabus linnaei. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Misplaced Pages:Article alerts and other tools. This can help you too, as the WikiProject members will often defend your work from deletion and try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

MOS

Hello, Mishae. Please do not replace an n-dash with an m-dash in the lead sections of biographical articles as you did in Étienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire and in Robert Evans Snodgrass. The dates should be separated by an n-dash. Please read MOS:DASH, the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style regarding the use of dashes. Also read MOS:FLAGBIO: "Do not use flags to indicate locations of birth, residence, or death". --Omnipaedista (talk) 08:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Please note that lead sections should not include places of birth and death (see MOS:DOB), and that the infobox field parameters "Residence" and "Citizenship" are (usually) left blank unless they are not subsequent to a person's nationality. Regards. --08:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Do not link dates as you did in Andrew John Berger. Please see WP:DATELINK, WP:YEARLINK ("Year articles should not be linked unless they contain information that is relevant to the subject matter"), MOS:UNLINKYEARS, and WP:EASTEREGG ("Do not use piped links to create easter egg links"). Regards. --09:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

A few comments

Mishae, I just wanted to point out that a few of your recent edits are completely unnecessary, e.g. this one. I will explain why:

1. The binomial authorities did not need to be expanded to full piped links per WP:NOTBROKEN. The redirects work just fine and we're not to make edits to "fix" redirects like this without a good reason.
2. You again removed white space between "binomial_authority" and the equals sign and the text. This is, as noted, unnecessary. The extra spaces help some people edit. All of your white space removal is unnecessary. Please stop.
3. Categories are usually listed in alphabetical order regardless of where the taxon category falls in that sequence. You shouldn't need to move categories around like this in the above diff unless to alphabetize them.
4. Finally, the article Levenhookia preissii was already included in the most narrow category - Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia, a daughter category of Category:Endemic flora of Australia. The article does not need the parent category as well as the daughter category. In this case, you only need the daughter category. (If, however, a species is endemic to just Australia, then it should go in the "Endemic flora of Australia" category.)

I hope this helps. Cheers, Rkitko 02:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

O.K. I will discuss those complaints of yours here, but also with Ryan since I trust him a lot!

1. There is a reason to do it: What if there will be a person with the same last name? Second of all I followed how the other users do it, so I surprised that you throw at me WP:NOTBROKEN thing, which I read numerous of times but this is rediculous!
2. Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia is great, but why you don't want Category:Endemic flora of Australia to be present there too? Wont readers rether read Category:Endemic flora of Australia as well? We shouldn't be dictatorial toward our readers, and that gives them options on what else is there to look at. Or has the term "readers" just became a term, nothing more?
3. Finally, I let Ryan know about it, and from this moment on, it will be discussed on his talkpage not mine, since I am afraid of being harrased by some users here!--Mishae (talk) 02:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Mishae, let's continue to discuss it here. This doesn't involve Ryan Vesey, though he's more than welcome to participate if you would like his input. No one is here to harass you, so your talk page is an appropriate venue to discuss the issue.

1. Binomial authorities for plants are standardized, that is there is one and only one Sond. or R.Br.. Those redirects will likely never change. In cases where the authority includes an abbreviation of the name, it is unambiguous. Some authorities are just the last name of the author and so linking just to the last name is a poor choice (e.g. Smith) - in those cases you would need to pipe the link but a previous editor should have already done that.
2. Including both categories is WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION. You would be essentially including the category in two places in the hierarchy of the category system. It would be similar to including the genus category Category:Levenhookia and the family category Category:Stylidiaceae on the same article - we avoid this because Category:Stylidiaceae already contains everything within Category:Levenhookia. Think of them as nested sets. It's not dictatorial toward the reader, it's practical with respect to the size and manageability of the parent categories. Without this restriction, the parent category would grow to an enormous size that wouldn't be easily browsed. Done the proper way, it can be browsed by subcategory based on state.

Cheers, Rkitko 03:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll start off by pointing out again that the spaces before and after the equal sign are a relatively minor issue. Mishae, I hope that you can attempt to avoid that (when you really think of it, removing those spaces costs more bytes in later discussion than it saves) but otherwise I think that's an issue that can best be avoided. On the topic of the redirects, the major reasons are "Introducing unnecessary invisible text makes the article more difficult to read in page source form." and "Non-piped links make better use of the "what links here" tool, making it easier to track how articles are linked and helping with large-scale changes to links." With the overcategorization, an editor can go to Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia and reach any of the other categories from there. In fact, because our policy is to "nest" categories as much as possible, if one article is not nested, it will cause greater confusion for the readers. Consider Category:1919 births and Category:1910s births. Both Paavo Aaltonen and Hans Aaraas were born in 1919; however, if one of those had the category 1919 births and the category 1910s births, a reader might think that all of the people born in 1919 are also in the category 1910s births. Then the reader will assume that only those people in Category:1910s births were actually born then. This same dilemma occurs with the flora categories. If a reader believed that all of the articles in Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia were also in the category Category:Flora of Western Australia it would be easy for them to assume that the larger category was all inclusive and they would never learn about the articles in the smaller category. Ryan Vesey 04:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Mishae, in response to this comment, all flora that is only found in Western Australia and would go in Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia is therefore also endemic to Australia by its very nature, but we don't need to include that category because Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia is nested within Category:Endemic flora of Australia. We've given you other examples, e.g. year of birth or decade of birth and genus or family categories, that are similar and are clearly ridiculous when you think about implementing them that way. The way you began implementing the categories with regard to endemic flora followed a similar pattern. Now, on {{italic title}}, there was consensus to leave that in place where the taxobox or automatic taxobox is concerned. Yes, when properly formatted, the taxobox or automatic taxobox will italicize the article title. But if the article is ever moved or if the taxobox template is edited, someone who doesn't immediately know which element on the page was italicizing the article title would be thoroughly confused. That's why we leave the italic title template as an explicit reminder to editors who are unaware or don't know that the taxobox can italicize the article title, too, without any direct parameter - it just detects that the binomial parameter = article title and implements italics. A useful tool, but it's mysterious for those who open the editing window and don't immediately see how the title is being italicized. I hope that explains the issue. Cheers, Rkitko 11:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I'd be more curious if {{Italic title}} was in there and was redundant. Then I would operate under the assumption that the template did the italicizing. If the italicizing needed changing (in the case of Pinta Island tortoise), I believe the existence of {{italic title}} would be thoroughly confusing. Was there a discussion on this? If so, I will defer to that. On the topic of endemic flora of western australia, we should also consider that the very fact that something is endemic means we should be as specific as possible. If something was endemic to Minnesota, I could easily say it was endemic to the US, to North America, or to the Americas; however, the latter definitions are far too vague. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Category:Endemic flora of Australia is only for flora that is found in more than one region of Australia. Ryan Vesey 12:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thats exactly my point. It doesn't do anything other then confusing the editors and making editors believing that it does something while in reality it doesn't! I removed the italic title template from some articles by living the (') 2 of them on each side of the binomial title, its exactly the same! Moreover, the sister projects like German, French, Russian, Italian and Ukrainian Wikipedias (to name a few), don't use them. So you might ask, who does? Indonesian, Croatian, Norwegian, Turkish, Romanian, Portuguese and Serbian (to name a few), others have less then 200,000 articles. The only one that does use it and have a hefty amount of articles as well, is Spanish! Another thing, Rkitko mentioned that he would rather have then , just because in his opinion editors will change images. Question: When was the last time ANYBODY changed an image on their articles pages? How about the first article on Misplaced Pages back when it first was created, show me how many times you changed that articles image! Plus, there suppose to be a valid reason for articles image change, and you all know that more then I do!

Plus, as far as consensus goes, maybe its time to put that question again? I have my strong points to argue about it as you see above. Not to mention that consensus was reached without me knowing anything about it (I probably wasn't even a Wikipedian at that time). Its time to put it back on the table. Your thoughts?--Mishae (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Jacobaea vulgaris

Hi, I have reverted your changes to that page that had several problems. First: please use a complete description of what you have done in the edit summary, rather than just listing one of many changes. Second: your new template Senecio, seems to be quite unnecessary, there is already a List of Senecio species page. Third: please don't change the taxobox and citation coding that is working perfectly as is to remove line-breaks; this has the effect of scrunching everything up so that it is harder for subsequent editors to work with. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

O.K. Lets discuss it a bit further, first of all the consensus have been reached on the navboxes, the verdict od which was to keep them. Second, the reason why I removed the spaces inb citations is because some of them were double spaced, for an unknown to me reason. Third, what I do with taxoboxes its the same as people do when they put WikiProject on the talkpage. I think there shouldn't be a problem between us (I hope) :)--Mishae (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it is quite a problem. Now in addition to the above you have added this species to Category:Flora of South America without apparently reading the category page, which quite clearly states that it is for plants "native to South America". However, I'm not going to argue with you because you seem to be still learning. I hope that you will be less hasty to revert other people's edits in future and that you will go back and clean up the mistakes you have made. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Now it should be a lot better!--Mishae (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Please undo that "Flora of Argentina" nonsense that you have added to that page. Thank you. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you please not call my edits "nonsense"?! And the reason why I did it was due to the fact that in the "Distribution" it says:

In South America it grows in Argentina

And, if you will say to me that "it is not native to Argentina", then you should know that for such there is . Further more, I will talk to Ryan Vesey, and see what he have to say. Personally, my opinion is, is that "Flora of Argentina" should stay, in fact, adding "Flora of South America" wont hurt the article, or the reader for that matter!--Mishae (talk) 23:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I as well don't see why Flora of Argentina is nonsense. The article clearly states that it is found in Argentina. As for the navbox, I feel that through the discussions I've had, the determination has been that small navboxes of this sort are useful. Excessively large ones are not. Mishae, can you please try to make no edits that affect spacing only. It makes no change to the look of the page and causes problems. Frankly, I find arguments over spacing equally as pointless as the edits themselves, but if arguments are going to result from the edits, you should make every possible effort to avoid them. Let me know if anything else needs to be cleared up. Ryan Vesey 03:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Ryan for stepping in! You see, my opponent apparently have very "short fuse" when it comes to my edits, and I understand, I can be a bit uncivil myself. He on the other hand, could have just say something: "What does Flora of Argentina" is doing in that article?" And my reply would have been much more civil. Sadly with me, if one person behaves uncivil I tend to answer back same way. In order for it not to happen again, I should try very hard. For that, if possible, can you give me your Skype or e-mail (Skype would be much more preferred since I talk to Russian Wikipedians via Skype too).--Mishae (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't use Skype, but you can email me at Special:EmailUser/Ryan Vesey. Ryan Vesey 18:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't have my e-mail in Misplaced Pages. Can you give me your personal? We are buddies, right?--Mishae (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

rdjveseygmail.com note that if you copy and paste the @ won't copy with it since I'm using an image. Ryan Vesey 19:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Woodlouse distributions

In a number of your recent stub articles on woodlice, you list the distribution as "Northern Asia, except for China", citing globalspecies.org as a source. Not only do I think that a source such as Global Species cannot be used for that (it is a listing of specimens, rather than a description of the range, such that the apparent distribution will depend strongly on the availability of data), but when I look at the pages in question, I see no data whatsoever. Are you seeing a different page to me? Indeed, Global Species merely re-uses GBIF data, and GBIF has no data on Trachelipus sarmaticus, for instance. I am concerned that there may be a lot of misinformation in the articles you have recently created, and I don't have the time to correct/delete them. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 01:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A friendly note

Hi Mishae,

I took a look at the message you posted on Ryan Vesey's Talkpage. In it, you stated that you get into a lot of "hot water" on this site, and you mainly believe this is because of yourself. I'd like to recommend that you take a look at this. I think it might help you out a lot on Misplaced Pages.

by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 00:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Kevin, I already have an adoptee, his name is Justin. I don't talk with him that much since I can discuss everything with Ryan or with his appointee, Guy Macon. Again thanks for friendly advice, and thank you for trying to be nice, kind, and understandable of the situation!--Mishae (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Apology

Hi Mishae,

I read the posts by WTT and by Yunshui, and I wanted to apologise for being a serious ass to you. I was indeed very pointy in adding templates to your page and forgetting about Pillar 5, so I hope you will accept my apology and we can continue on.

By the way, this time it was I who got us into hot water.

Thanks, by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 20:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Please accept this Barnstar as an apology. by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 20:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Kevin! I don't know much about Barnstars, I mean whether or not this Barnstar means as an apology barnstar... But I will take the gift and be happy with it I guess... Thanks again!--Mishae (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution!

Hello Mishae and thanks for your recent editing at Bothriechis schlegelii. That was great information you added! A real plus for the article. I'm posting in haste at a public place, so please excuse that I'm not logged in, but I wanted to show my appreciation for your work. My best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.230.39 (talk) 21:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You are so welcome! Infact I edited the other snakes from Bothriechis genus as well, if you haven't seen them please have a look!--Mishae (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Kudpung. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Nebria orestias, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Kudpung

Sorry, might have been a mistake from my part...--Mishae (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm just letting you know that I have temporarily removed the autopatrolled flag from your account due to issues I found when patrolling new pages and concerns expressed by other editors. Please don't take this as a criticism of your excellent taxonomic work - autopatrolled is only to help relive some of the work of the patrollers and is not really a 'user right'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

So, what does it mean? And no, I don't take it as a critism, not even personal.--Mishae (talk) 02:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't mean anything to you really - it's just a technical thing. Patrollers will review your page creations and let you know if there is anything that needs to be improved. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

So my talkpage will be bombarded by various patrollers, and then I might get blocked. Now I am scared! I still don't understand what I have done wrong to get this? Besides the issue that you mentioned, (which was a complete excident on my part, apparently my mouse froze for a time), what else was there that made you do it? You made a comment that "other editors had concerns". Who were the editors, and was a concern? I hope it have nothing to do with me writing a ton of stub articles?..--Mishae (talk) 02:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey Misha, I actually brought the issue to Kudpung. Your article work is great and we very much appreciate it. The concerns are that you occasionally have difficulties with English and sometimes have articles where you are concerned with copyvio. A majority of your articles will be patrolled with no problem, but we just wanted to make sure someone else would take a look at your articles to ensure that there aren't any issues. Consider Brachinus patruelis. You have a spelling issue where you wrote "cololured". Don't fix the error right now so you can see how a patroller will (or at least should) fix the issue. If you have any tags placed on your page and you want help learning what you need to do to have the tag removed, leave me a note. Ryan Vesey 02:27, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I already fixed the error that you have mentioned. If I will do a mistake, I will fix it! I think its a good etiquette, and no, how about you will drop me a note if you will see anything suspicious. I'm sorry to say it, but I don't trust patrols or admins or anybody in most cases, I prefer working alone, and if I will have a problem (and I usually do), I will let you know. Can we trust each other?--Mishae (talk) 02:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

We can certainly trust eachother; however, I think it will be beneficial for you and the encyclopedia if your articles are no longer autopatrolled. I'll keep watching your talk page and will try to help out with any comments that arise. Ryan Vesey 07:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Catherine L. Malone

Hello, I'm Blue Riband. I found your article on Catherine L. Malone and from my quick reading it might have a problem which her academic notability. The Misplaced Pages criteria which we have to follow for notable academics is at WP:ACADEMIC. So far everything is based only on her Perdue University faculty page. I find it helpful to work on a new article in my sandbox and then "go live" only when there is enough material and references for the main space. Blue Riband► 17:09, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Brachinus nigricornis

Hi, I'm Ana Bykova. Mishae, thanks for creating Brachinus nigricornis!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thank you for making a wiki page, it looks great. Please refer to the tags added to find out how you could improve it. Best wishes,

Anastasia Bykova (talk) 19:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for all your tireless work. Materialscientist (talk) 04:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Look further to support our project with more contributions!--Mishae (talk) 04:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you ever in, or do you have family in, Russia?

Hey Mishae, I want to write an article on an interesting throne used by Peter the Great and Ivan V. It is dual-seated and has a peephole in the back. If you are by some chance going to be in Moscow soon, or if you have families or friends in Moscow, do you think you could get me a picture of it? It's in the Kremlin Armoury. Ryan Vesey 23:42, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The throne can actually be seen here. I'll check some copyright laws to see if works by the Russian government (I think it's the work of the Russian government) are public domain. Ryan Vesey 23:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

A page you started has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Carabus rustemi, Mishae!

Misplaced Pages editor Jackson Peebles just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Thanks for creating this, but do you have any more information on this species? You seem to be an expert, and I think a few more sentences would be a great contribution. Thanks again!

To reply, leave a comment on Jackson Peebles's talk page.

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Jackson Peebles (talk) 05:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Worm(talk) 10:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Notice

Regarding Arouss Al Ayn, the edit to correct format drift was just a cleanup to maintain consistency per WP:DATEUNIFY MOS:DATEUNIFY. Often, various editors will add references with various styles to articles which leads to inconsistent style over time. Therefore the edit was not intended to be counterproductive but the guidelines behind it for it could have been better explained. Further explanations of editing style can be found under the various MoS guidelines. Dl2000 (talk) 04:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey Mishae, just noticed your emails. I'll respond with a) yes, you should nominate Arouss Al Ayn for DYK and b) I've got a midterm coming up so I'll respond to the rest of your emails later. In regards to Arouss Al Ayn, despite the template added by Dl2000, I think it would be unreasonable to say that a date format existed before your edits and I would suggest using MDY for that article form here on out. In regards to the other edits of Dl2000 mentioned at User talk:Worm That Turned, they are completely appropriate. Keeping date formats in line is an important maintenance task since the MOS requires that formats be consistent within articles. Any futher discussion on the date format of Arouss Al Ayn specifically can take place on its talk page. Ryan Vesey 04:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Well thats interesting... So when I do an edit and its as pointless as this, its considered to be pointless and destructive whereas his edits are considered to be constructive? Mmm, care to explain? If the pattern didn't existed maybe I should remove that template as well? Bot generated articles shouldn't have it in the first place...--Mishae (talk) 04:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Your edits don't change anything in the article, his do. His create consistency. For what it's worth, I've consistently argued that it is just as pointless to complain about your edits as it is for you to make them. In fact, there's at least one bot that pointlessly adds spaces after bullets. In regards to the template, I changed it to say your format should be used. Ryan Vesey 04:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Mmm, O.K. so consistency is not pointless, but at the same time I don't get it. See, puting 26 February 2013 is not as good as puting February 26, 2013. Reason behind it is that there is no th therefore it reads poorly.--Mishae (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not true that 26 February 2013 is not as good as February 26, 2013. The first may appear odd to an American English speaker; however, it is the normal phrasing for the majority of the world. In fact, Russia uses the DMY (Day-Month-Year) format. I am not sure if you are correct on the nonexistence of the th sound after the day using DMY dates. I almost think they would say it as "Twenty sixth of February 2013" but don't quote me on that. Ryan Vesey 05:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

When I read 26 February 2013 I end up reading either Twenty six February 2013 or Twenty sixth February 2013, with of being off.:) As far as DMY goes, well Russia does use it, but then some countries like America sometimes don't... Yes, a lot of countries use DMY, but then we can say the same about the world. Majority of countries speak English, it doesn't mean though that their official language is English...--Mishae (talk) 05:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Chronicles of Mystery: The Tree of Life

Have a look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games/Assessment#Quality scale, if you believe it meets the criteria then feel free to change it to "C". You can self assess articles up to "B" class. If you believe it meets "Good Article" or "Featured Article" quality then you will need to take them through their respective reviewing process. Note I did not read the article so I have no idea what level it is currently at. Hope this helps. Salavat (talk) 07:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Well then it meets "B" instead, since the plot is fully developed, and it have more then a few references...--Mishae (talk) 18:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Arouss Al Ayn

I created a nomination for you. You'll have to make sure the hook information is cited in the article (and you can suggest an alternative hook if you like). I also have a question related to larvae vs. tadpoles. Ryan Vesey 01:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Mishae, Ryan Vesey has gone on a very long wikibreak, so the success of this nomination is up to you. If you want to pursue it, please follow the link there and read the comments by Cwmhiraeth, who reviewed the nomination and has mentioned some issues with the article. Please let us know if you intend to continue; action will be needed within the week, if so. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Near Eastern fire salamander

On 20 March 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Near Eastern fire salamander, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the larvae of the Middle-Eastern salamander Arouss Al Ayn (pictured) are often cannibalistic? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

• You wrote the article Arouss Al Ayn which was renamed to Near Eastern fire salamander, I added to it and tidied it up. We both get the credit in the form of a DYK banner on our talk pages. Co-operation! :) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Technically I didn't wrote it, I just expanded it from a Stub to a C class. O.K, so I am not allowed to put the DYK star on my talkpage... Like: "This user have made one DYK article"? Another question, so the article will be posted on the main page next week? I just don't see it up there despite the fact that its DYK day (Thursday).--Mishae (talk) 19:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q1 2013

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
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