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RE. April 2013

I'm not really sure how the source I added on Sam & Cat wasn't reliable since it was coming directly from the person saying that they got a role on the show. Jjj1238 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Jjj1238 that was for a guest spot. Not a regular member.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I couldn't tell from the video what kind of role she had. --Orlady (talk) 15:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Bircham International University

Dear Orlady, I write to you as one of the senior editors of the article about Bircham International University. I have seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning that this place is listed linked to Oxford International University and sourced on the Oregon DOE list. If you check the Oregon list you will find out that this connection was removed quite some time ago. Please update the mentioned entry of BIU without the reference to Oxford according to what is actually referred by the Oregon DOE list. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.210.154 (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added an additional citation to the list to clarify that the information is from a different source (Bear, John (January 1, 2003). Bears' Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Learning. Ten Speed Press. ISBN 1-58008-431-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) pages 192–193). --Orlady (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Mackerel

I enjoyed that DYK piece! Can you tell me how the DYK process works? Appreciated, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Happy to do so! DYK highlights newly created (or recently significantly expanded) articles that meet certain minimum criteria for content (mostly related to length, sourcing, and absence of copyvio or plagiarism), and it does so with teasers based on interesting facts found in those articles. As a reviewer at WP:AFC, you are likely to see articles that are candidates for nomination for DYK. Also, you may find (as I have) that DYK motivates you to develop some of your stub creations into articles that qualify for DYK. There's a lot of documentation at Misplaced Pages:Did you know, Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines, and Misplaced Pages:Did you know/Reviewing guide. The review process is always on display at Template talk:Did you know and the development of the main-page DYK section is visible at Template:Did you know/Queue. Reviewers are always needed, if you want to try your hand there. --Orlady (talk) 18:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Is is relatively painless to propose an article? There are a few I have in mind. I'll have a look. Thanks again! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The nomination process isn't hard. There's a template at T:TDYK#How_to_list_a_new_nomination that walks you through it. Before you nominate, though, it's a good idea to satisfy yourself that the article qualifies for newness (created or moved to main space within the last 5 days, or a 5x expansion began within that period), length (at least 1500 characters of prose, not including blockquotes, bulleted lists, etc.), citations (throughout the article -- I find that many new articles have unsourced paragraphs or sections, and thus don't qualify), and lack of plagiarism/copyvio, and also that the fact(s) in your proposed hook is/are supported by a cited reliable source (or sources). --Orlady (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Close SPI

Thanks for the clarification and userpage fix. – S. Rich (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you removed the newsletter. Although you did not specifically sign up for it, I included you in the distribution this month because you were credited for relevant article improvements in it. Would you like to continue receiving it in these circumstances or would you like to opt out of it next month?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I can do that I'm going to add the people mentioned manually next month anyway so ok.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Claire Nader Page

Hi Orlady, Thank you for taking the time to review Claire Nader's page. I am editing this page for her sister and all the information I am adding is accurate. Everything that is able to be recovered online regarding Claire Nader's work has been added to the page, although the bibliographical information that I added needs to stay the way I edited it since it was changed to accommodate the way Claire Nader would like it. I understand that the information does not have all the citations yet, but many of citations on the page originally were incorrect or irrelevant, which is why I removed them. Please let me know why you changed it the citations back to how they originally were. I would like to make sure the correct information gets back on the page asap. This is per request of Claire Nader's sister, Dr. Laura Nader.

Thank you, Cameron — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.194.46 (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The deal is that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a venue for posting autobiographies or CVs. Importantly, content must be verifiable, which means that it must be supported by reference citations to reliable sources. This edit to Claire Nader, which I largely reverted, deleted several reference citations and removed most of the Misplaced Pages-standard formatting in the article. The content you added appeared valid, but it was not supported to reference citations, so I tagged it as needing sources.

From your subsequent edits, I infer that she doesn't want her birth date published. That's understandable (and at this point I can't say where I got the birth year when I created the article back in 2009). Some of your other additions are of unsourced details of a type that would not normally appear in an encyclopedia biography; I am referring here to unpublished writings, grants received as a graduate student, and very short publications. It's best to provide a selected publications list that includes her most significant work. --Orlady (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Please opine

Care to weigh-in on Talk:Higher education accreditation in the United States#New material? – S. Rich (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I've definitely thought about it! I guess I need to... --Orlady (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

United Bates of America

Anyone can read and see that there aren't any multiples for the Bates. I am going by the "Children" section for the Duggars, where the kids are just listed.

Besides, look at the birthdates and you'll will see none are merged, unlike with the Duggars.

Why do you feel the need to mention they're all "singletons", when it's obvious for anyone reading/looking and not needed? BBB76 (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I could ask you (1) why you persist in deleting a valid citation to a valid reference and (2) what you have against prose. Deletion of sources contravenes Misplaced Pages's core policy on verifiability of content. As for the prose that you don't like, please note that this is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedic content normally is primarily prose, meaning sentences with nouns, verbs, and punctuation. Encyclopedia articles don't normally consist solely of section headings followed by long data tables, and readers shouldn't have to study data tables and draw their own conclusions. The "Children" section of United Bates of America really ought to have some summary text about the children. That one sentence that you have repeatedly deleted is admittedly not much of a summary, but it was a start that could be expanded upon. Not all readers are as fascinated by lists of birthdates as you might be; readers might appreciate a summary of the salient information about the children, rather than having to extract it all from the table. That fact about the children being singletons that you keep deleting is one that has been stated by multiple published sources, presumably because large families often include multiples -- as does the Duggar family. --Orlady (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Drop the prose, prose, prose, prose. I have no idea what that means, since I don't use it normal everyday conversation.

You want to keep the reference? Fine, but we don't need to point out the Bates are "singletons". Who says that? As I've said, anyone can read that the Bates' births are not multiples, like the Duggars are. BBB76 (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to contribute productively to the English Misplaced Pages, you may need to work on your vocabulary. (This isn't Simple English Misplaced Pages.) The word "prose" is used in Misplaced Pages guidelines; see WP:PROSE, which presents one of the points I've tried to make repeatedly. As for "singletons", this is a standard term for children whose births occur one at a time. That particular word may not have been used in the cited source, but Misplaced Pages avoids parroting the words and phrasing of its sources.

Note: Your hostility to the content created by other users is not an attractive trait. --Orlady (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a job that requires you to use big/fancy words? You certainly don't talk like the average person, that's for sure. As for being hostile, I really doubt it, you're reading between the lines, for some reason. BBB76 (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This is an encyclopedia, a reference work, and is not supposed to be written at the third-grade level as you seem to want. As Orlady points out, there is a separate Simple English Misplaced Pages for people who don't understand "big/fancy words". --Orange Mike | Talk 00:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Again, you're wrong. Apparently you cannot read what I write, or you read between the lines. I said talk "normal" and besides, "prose" doesn't have more then one syllable. I haven't been on the last few days, so if anything's missing, it wasn't me. BBB76 (talk) 01:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for LEO Zoological Conservation Center

On 12 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article LEO Zoological Conservation Center, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the general public cannot visit the Connecticut wildlife center where the recent birth of an endangered Rothschild's giraffe (adult pictured) received extensive media attention? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/LEO Zoological Conservation Center. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Panyd 00:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Unblock of Kevin McE

I was not that thrilled to see your unblock of this user, as I am not sure he has adequately understood what he did wrong. Regarding your statement here, as opposed to your statement "The Daily Mail is not the kind of unreliable "tabloid" that the policy warns against": multiple discussions at WP:BLPN and WP:RSN are clear that the Daily Mail very much is a tabloid (a glance at our article on it would also have told you that) and should never be used to verify BLP material. The danger is that as a result of your statement, Kevin could go off and do the same thing again, and get blocked again, which would be a shame. If you would consider modifying your statement, I'd be grateful. --John (talk) 17:54, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jean Bureau

On 16 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jean Bureau, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that superior artillery created by Jean Bureau helped France achieve victories in several important battles of the Hundred Years' War? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jean Bureau. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Panyd 08:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Merger/move proposal

I have proposed a "merger/move request" between List of U.S. state partition proposals and List of proposed states of the United States, because I feel there is considerable overlap. If you are interested participating in the discussion, please feel free to do so here. Thank you. Green Giant (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

County government

I have begun to wade into the county government situation, and it is not a simple matter. Up until this point it had been neglected. It's just local enough to be under the radar for people wanting to contribute content, and just regional enough to warrant notability. Most people don't really care or pay attention to their county government. They know who the mayor is, but couldn't name a single county commissioner that ever served from their area.

There is a bit of variability in the 50 states (parrishes, boroughs, and then there's Connecticut and Rhode Island with no county government at all, etcetera.) However, by and large, county government is an arm of the state government. The officials are locally elected (i.e. not statewide), but the actual government itself is a state agency. The politicians are local politicians and elections are local, but the government itself is state government. So, like I said, it is not a simple matter. Greg Bard (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I believe you are seriously misinterpreting the facts. Counties in the United States are a form of local government. It is true that county government exists under the authority of the state, but the very same thing is true of city and town governments -- they exist under the authority of state law, as subdivisions of the state. Counties are local governmental entities, they are not branches of the state government. --Orlady (talk) 21:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I am afraid you are completely mistaken. Cities are not forms of state government, but counties are. It isn't merely a matter of "existing under the authority" of the state. A city isn't a "subdivision" of the state, but a county is. I am very well educated and experienced in county and local government in different areas of the country and in different forms (i.e. California, Connecticut, and Florida, specifically) . I took graduate level classes in state government, and in local government. I was very involved in politics at the local and county level, including as a campaign advisor for a county commissioner candidate. While the articles about county commissioners belong in the "local politicians" category, the actual county government belongs under state government. Greg Bard (talk) 21:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I also happen to believe that I have been thoroughly educated on the U.S. political system. Additionally, I have worked in several different professional capacities in and around various levels of government -- in several different states with very different governmental structures -- for more decades than I care to count, and I've received in-service training on topics like governmental structures, intergovernmental relations, and related laws.

Here at Misplaced Pages, though, we don't demonstrate the accuracy of our information by showing off our credentials; instead we need to rely on reliable sources to convince one another of the validity of our arguments. I think the National Association of Counties is a good source. NACO's overview of counties uses the term "local government" in a context that strongly suggests that they consider counties to be a form of local government (indeed, in many states, the county is the only local government that many residents interact with). Consistent with your viewpoint, that page does note (and this one explains in more detail) that the shires of Old England from which the American county descended were simultaneously both local governments and extensions of royal (centralized) authority, and it states that "early state constitutions generally conceptualized county government as an arm of the state". Further, that second page I cited does state that the "essential dichotomy" of "an agency of central authority acting in practice as a unit of local government created a tension that persists into the 21st century". However, that second page also continues on to describe the structure and function of counties in the United States, with an emphasis on Dillon's rule, which held that local governments do not possess inherent powers, but have only those authorities granted by the state or that are necessary extensions of that state-granted power. Since NACO is interested primarily in counties, the NACO page discusses Dillon's rule in the context of counties, but the very same legal rule applies to cities the same way it applies to counties (see the discussion of Dillon's rule, home rule, and related topics on this National League of Cities webpage). Bottom line: In the United States, all local government (whether city, county, borough, village, hamlet, or parish) has the authorities and responsibilities assigned to it by the state, and the nature and scope of those authorities and responsibilities varies greatly from state to state. This does not, however, indicate that a county or city government is really a form of state government -- both counties and cities are truly "local governments". --Orlady (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Further to the above, check out Britannica Online. At this page, it states: "There are some 85,000 local government units in the United States. The largest local government unit is the county (called a parish in Louisiana or a borough in Alaska)..." --Orlady (talk) 00:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Your points are well articulated, and you have certainly made a supported argument for your perspective. However, that does not change the fact that a county is an arm of a state government, not some outgrowth of local government. A county is not some federation of cities, nor is it using powers originally conferred to it by the consent of the people locally. The powers of county governments are derived from the fact that states have the ability to delegate them. Although counties and cities both may be chartered by a state, the charter of a city is different than the charter of a county.

Our situation here is another unfortunate one that occurs on occasion in wikipedia. I am sure that you feel quite confident in your view owing to your education and experience. However, I actually studied this issue formally. In Misplaced Pages, everyone thinks they are an expert, even with very little education or experience. Non-careful use of terms by reliable sources lead to a situation where a person with little bit of knowledge is dangerous. County government is not elected statewide, and it is in that sense that it is "local government." However the powers they exercise is the power of the state government. Unfortunately, the Misplaced Pages on Local government reflects the imprecise view and should be corrected. I think the compromise that makes sense is to put articles about persons (officers) under "local politicians" and put articles about the commissions, and boards (i.e. offices) under state government. That is what most accurately reflects reality. At some point, if necessary, I may find all the sources I need to support my view if necessary, if it comes to that. However, I hope you consider the idea that you have just learned something new about county government from someone who knows. I'm not really able to reconsider my view because I was taught formally in no uncertain terms that a county is an agency of the state government.Greg Bard (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Say listen, do you think we could take this discussion to the United States WikiProject and the Politics Wikiproject, and not have 50 discussions please?!Greg Bard (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Folks, the main legal divination is YES or NO, does a local county government have home rule? In the instance a county has home rule, YES, they can indeed have their own governmental functions. Name town, make taxes etc etc. If the answer is NO, they have no Home Rule, then NO they are a total sub part of the state government. Its a fact all you need to do is consult the local state constitution of ANY of the 50 for the US...Does this help??Coal town guy (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

When you put it that way, NO they don't have home rule. The whole "home rule" movement is a joke, and if it ever came to a head, they would see very clearly that the county is a state agency. When county government was abolished in Connecticut, they did it at the state legislature, not at the local level. So that pretty much puts the fork in it.Greg Bard (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, NO. You may recall Alaska and Hawaii? I would STRONGLY suggest a reading of their said state contitutions, they do indeed permit home rule and government functions. Sorry, It is in no way done.Coal town guy (talk) 00:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Your view is a rather political POV. ESPECIALLY Connecticut. Tsk tsk. No neutrality, NO article.Coal town guy (talk) 00:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

MY view is POV, and you are hanging your hat on home rule. Are you serious!? My view is based on the facts, and I defer to academic sources. I should read Alaska and Hawaii's what constitutions? Oh state constitutions. If you were correct what would reading them tell me, other than that I should be paying attention to what the state government has to say about it. Greg Bard (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

It is beyond the pale as you are certainly aware that I was stating STATE constitutions. AND YES, yu have a POV JUST LIKE everyone else. ALASKA, decided from the late 60's and part of the 70's to have several forms of government within its state. Unorganized Borroughs, Census, independant places. Mainly Money, distance, native poeples, etc etc. Much like, Virginia and its pile of independent cities etc etc I am not here to spoon feed you. You canvassed and now you are being uncivil, "IF I am correct why read" well why not guess? Hey make it up and claim you are right and they are wrong!. No, sorry. I can and will honestly assist. BUT. YOU have the onus if YOU want to prove the point. As my prof would say as you have claimed to be educated to know the diff, DO THE READING....Coal town guy (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you are in violation of the canvassing policy at this point. I am more than willing to enter into a wonderful, civil, informative discussion, BUT NOT 50.Greg Bard (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Gregbard, when I started posting at other talk pages, you and I were both at 2RR at Category:County government in the United States. That was the beginning of an edit war -- and it all occurred in about 4 hours, which does not bode well... The page in question is a brand-new category that you created today -- and that presumably had not yet been noticed by almost everybody else at Misplaced Pages. The only discussion was occurring here on my user talk page; although this page is watchlisted by an astonishing 180 users, user talk pages are not good venues for content discussions. I did not start discussions at other pages; rather, I posted notifications of this discussion at a bunch of pages about sub-state units of government, as well as user talk pages of a couple of users whom I know to be interested in and/or knowledgable about this kind of topic. I did not WP:CANVASS; I didn't choose people based on their opinions (I don't know what they would have to say) and I didn't tell people what to think; I merely told them about the discussion. IMO, notifying people of this discussion was far more responsible than continuing to revert. --Orlady (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I have posted this issue to WikiProject United States, and WikiProject Politics. So please stop spamming the issue everywhere.Greg Bard (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't post to WikiProject United States because I've not found that talk page to be effective for attracting meaningful input, but maybe we'll get lucky this time. --Orlady (talk) 01:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, Gregbard managed to get a brand-new discussion going at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_United_States#County_government, so I've copied the above discussion to that page, and I guess we need to continue there. --Orlady (talk) 04:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Because your patience exceeds mine. Coal town guy (talk) 02:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Mmm, thanks! Now that it's suddenly become summer (after a prolonged winter), that beer looks really, really good -- but I find that drinking beer doesn't always help me remain patient! --Orlady (talk) 02:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but when you have enough of them, you ENJOY being impatientCoal town guy (talk) 02:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

LOL. --Orlady (talk) 03:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Recent Post

Orlady you have recently revised my corrections on the page of Appalachian Bible College. You claimed these changes were a violation of copyright laws and policies. I serve with ABC and have the authority to use the content directly from our site. In addition, I sited each with an appropriate link. I do appreciate your instruction on the quotes being included to indicate direct quotes. Based on your encouragement I have moved through and reworded but still maintained appropriate citation, I believe. I am working diligently to provide correct information through sites like Misplaced Pages and welcome your assistance. My desire is to present the school accurately in the same way multiple colleges and universities updated their Wiki page. Again, thank you for your help in making our page better and providing a measure of instruction to the new guy. I'd prefer if you could reach out on my talk page if further corrections need to be made rather than just deleting what has gone into the page. Thanks.LifeisforService (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I have previously posted on your talk page to inform you about Misplaced Pages policy with respect to both promotional content and copyright violations. Also, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages is a encyclopedia, not a free public bulletin board. No one, and particularly not the subjects of articles, owns and controls article content. Furthermore, verifiability of our content depends primarily on citations to published sources independent of the article subject.

It should be possible to write about the college without copying content from the college website (I appreciate your efforts to reword the content in your most recent edit), but if the college wishes to permit use of its copyright materials, Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission outlines the procedure to authorize such use.

While you consider the content you have added to be correct and accurate, much of it comes across as promotional, or at least nonencyclopedic in tone. The college may make statements like "They focus on developing students to Think with a biblical worldview, Live with the Word of God as their authority, and Serve the way Christ did in Philippians 2" and "the college continues to press forward in training young people for ministry" in its own literature, but they are inappropriate in an encyclopedia. Statements like "one of the most affordable accredited Bible Colleges in the US" must not be made in Misplaced Pages unless they are attributed to an reliable source that is independent of the college and has some sort of authoritative basis to make that judgement.

You may be relieved to discover that content removed from the article still remains in the article history (see this link).

As for continued discussion of the article content, the appropriate place for that is Talk:Appalachian Bible College, not a user page where other interested contributors are unlikely to find the discussion. --Orlady (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Do not contact me further

I have been patient and civil with you up until this point. I am sure that you are aware that I have been doing a lot of tedious work, and you have been creating more work for me. You have behaved immaturely making untrue, disingenuous and disparaging remarks, you have an entitled attitude, and you have no respect for the education and experience of others. I recently looked back into some other discussions, and realize that it was you that was creating problems in the state government categories too. It is very clear that you have supreme confidence in your own beliefs, even in areas in which you have no special education or experience. I have stated to you that I do have education and experience in these areas, but you took that as you cue to disparage that fact that I mentioned it. For myself, I value and defer to others who contribute in areas of their own expertise, and do not bother them. So I am contacting you now to inform you that I have lost respect for you, and perhaps we should just go straight to ANI with it right now. I will explain to them that you spammed a dozen talk pages and then tried to portray me as the one starting new discussions. That's being disingenuous. I am the mature adult here, and you can either join me in the role of the mature adult, or continue to behave like it is a competition. You need to drop the attitude. My preference would be for you to stop editing in areas where I am working for at least a week, and let me get some work done. If later, you still feel that there are issues, we can address them at that time. Greg Bard (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

As I promised on your talk page, I will be taking the matter to WP:ANI if I see you moving any more long-existing categories outside of the WP:CFD process. The Internet doesn't know if either of us is a dog or a god, so Misplaced Pages necessarily depends on reliable sources to assure the quality of its content, not contributors' assertions of superior knowledge and academic qualifications. Furthermore, the community requires all of us to collaborate and seek consensus, rather than barging around and imposing our will on the encyclopedia. Like you, I am often annoyed by having to engage in consensus-building discussions, but that is the way Misplaced Pages is. If you can't live with that, then Misplaced Pages will have to survive without you. (I hope that's not going to be the case. That is, I hope you will see clear to working within the system.) --Orlady (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

It's fascinating to see people who describe themselves as "cab driver and pontiff" on social media websites (and formerly signed here as "Pontiff") -- and who apparently consider that declaring other people's comments to be "not helpful" is being "patient and civil" -- assert that they possess superior personal maturity. --Orlady (talk) 03:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

American Conservatory of Music

Given the absence of recent discussion on the site, do you think it would be okay to remove the two tags at the top? One might even make the case that the tags, when they were first placed, lacked merit based on the accompanying citations. Eurodog (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I removed them. --Orlady (talk) 14:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

question

I would like to put the sam and Cat wikia in the external link section for the page. Can I just add it or do I have to go somewhere to get it added. The wiki is controlled by many of the users of the iCarly and Victorious wiki.Also I thought ou didn't want to use cameron twitter for a refference. . That has been on the page since he created that. WP Editor 2012 (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I corrected my mistake in the article. I had managed to forget that Ocasio is not a known celebrity. As for the wikia, you need to consult WP:External links. --Orlady (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I just wait untill it becomes more active.WP Editor 2012 (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Comment

I am getting unhappy and irritated at Gregbard's attitude especially towards yourself. Please let me know if I can do anything to help. ThanksRFD (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

This FL list candidate, promising

Hey there, could you take a look at this Fl candidate? I am not very familiar with the area, beenm there a few times, had a roommate who made my German passable from there, BUT, the list as it exists has some promise. There are however historical challenges in it (founding dates ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE) AND he needs to get some more refs for the intro. I have offered to look over a German copy of a Netherlands Constitution, they do exist, although, a French or Dutch one would probably be more "exact". ANY help, your eyes could lend would be appreciated.My French, is basic, and my Dutch, not so much, its all spoken.Coal town guy (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

AFT5 re-enabled

Hey Orlady :). Just a note that the Article Feedback Tool, Version 5 has now been re-enabled. Let us know on the talkpage if you spot any bugs. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

WOW, your input would be VERY appreciated

My trick knee and constant migraines tell me you SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT contributing, maybe, of courseCoal town guy (talk) 00:29, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

William Thwaites DYK nomination response

Thankyou for your edits and suggestions for the William Thwaites Article. I have added the the point about "embarasing blockages" from ALT 5, had another look at the referencing, and added some additional citations.Garyvines (talk) 01:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

County (United States)

I've replaced your reference to obsolete Census Bureau document Local Governments and Public School Systems by Type and State: 2007 which counted 3,033 county and 107 county-equivalent governments and replaced it with a reference to County Totals Datasets: Population, Population Change and Estimated Components of Population Change: April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2012 issued by the Census Bureau on March 15, 2013. The new document correctly counts 3,007 counties, 64 parishes, 18 organized boroughs, 11 census areas, 42 independent cities, and the District of Columbia for a total of 3,143 counties and county-equivalents. Please let me know if you have any questions. Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting my error. I tried to copy the most recent references into the sections I was editing, but apparently I messed up. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification -- and the link, which worked fine for my purposes. --Orlady (talk) 18:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Christian Science

One editor seems to be a "consensus of one" in the past <g> and fails to understand statistics v. surmise. I would have thuunk including bothe the USCB pulication and the unnamed scholars cited by the NYT was sufficient, but it appears not. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Howdy - here's my admin response to the above. As stated - you are duly administered with a stern wrist-slap for this comment. It wasn't a privacy violation, but it was (arguably) within shouting distance, and you probably already know it wasn't helpful. So smack, smack, naughty, naughty.

Apart from that, there's nothing else relevant to you personally in this AN/I complaint to respond to. Manning (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

What personally offensive comments have I made

What comments have I made that were personally offensive? I have tried to avoid attacking anyone or directly insulting anyone. I have tried to calmly respond to attempts to malign me on various grounds. I am unaware of any comment I have made that is personally offensive, but will gladly remove any that can be found.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it seems like any calm attempts at anything get me attacked. For example there is the discussion at Talk:Rochelle Alers. There I only ever argued that Alers should not be in Category:American novelists when she is in Category:American romatic fiction writers a sub-cat of Category:American novelists, and for holding that postion I have been accused of being racist and sexist, and told that my postion of dispersing the category into its by genre sub-cats has been widely derived. It has not even been dealt with at all in a constructive manner, other than to personally insult me and accuse me of doing things I am not doing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• What I perceive at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 April 24 is that the sheer volume of your comments (66 edits to the page, mostly in that one discussion), the high level of irritation that you often express, and your allegations about the ignorance of other discussion participants have made you a target for attack. Here are a few diffs that gave me the impression you were beginning to lose self-control: - Getting testy; - Going off-topic; - exasperatedly defensive. Then this more recent diff starts to get more personal (admittedly, in response to personal allegations against you). That was followed by this off-topic digression -- I don't think it helps matters to bring so much LDS history into the discussion. Then there are these edits that kind of attack the critics of the category.

I suggest backing off for a while, if for no other reason than to preserve your own mental health. You've made your case effectively, IMO. --Orlady (talk) 19:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You might be right. However I think you underestimate the sheer offensiveness of the attack suggesting that because I am a Latter-day Saint I am biased. The constant attempt to imply I have some sinister, alterior motive here is quite disturbing. I am not going to promise to not make any edits to the discussion for a given amount of time, but I will try to not participate more than neccessary. I would note that I was disparaged in the CfD discussion on Category:American women novelists before I even made one comment to it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

People do know how to get under your skin, don't they? I've been disturbed to see how some long-dormant user accounts suddenly have become active in that discussion; I don't know if they showed up to attack you personally, or to attack Misplaced Pages in general. I suspect the latter, actually, but you've gotten caught in the crossfire. --Orlady (talk) 20:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

This remains the most offensive comment to date "Comment Are John Pack Lambert's personal Mormon beliefs getting in the way of his gender neutrality? Looking at his edits, he seems to be a repeat offender when it comes to ghettoizing women into secondary, separate, and implied-to-be-lesser categories. Editors must be impartial and this is disturbing.Claudelemonde (talk) 23:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)". I am of half a mind to post a response directly on that talk page, but I am afraid I will not really be able to word it calmly enough. Half of me things maybe I should just ignore it. I am really not sure what the best response is.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I have decided to try making a request that such personal attacks cease.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, the user has no edits since your request. But since this was a user with few recent edits, they may not show up again for a long, long time. --Orlady (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Quiz results

Sorry to say, but you flunked the quiz :(. I'll ping you here when I close it out and reveal the answer key - but suffice to say, your categorization changes (or omissions rather) would have left you exposed to charges of both 'sexism' and 'racism'. Sorry! :) --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The Atlantic

LOL, it seems Amanda Filipacchi thinks you're a sexist because you switched one category with another.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 23:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. --Orlady (talk) 03:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

SP?

Does Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Henry Siebrecht look like User:Jvolkblum? I have done no SP-related work, and I noticed the previous attempt at this biography was marked as being his work, but the "pretty correctly formatted article on the first edit" thing is always a little bit of a flag. Cheers, --j⚛e decker 05:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Political subdivisions of Wisconsin

Hi-I added a comment to the Political subdivisions of Wisconsin article that I thought you would be interested in. Thanks-RFD (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

NCBC-based list

I thought that the edit summary here might interest you. I was not completely stupid a few months ago! - Sitush (talk) 06:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)