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This article was nominated for deletion on 2007-03-08. The result of the discussion was keep.

the Jews-and-journals thing

In Denunciation of Steven Weinberg's Scientific Gangsterism Santilli says "I am strongly against the above ethnic profile of Steven Weinberg because he is not representative of the Jewish physics community despite his undeniable sinister political clout at the Nobel Foundation, CERN, FERMILAB and similar settings. ", and others texts in the page are signed by other people.

This is backed by a note in one of his books Hadronic Mathematics, etc. "Numerous Jewish mathematicians, theoreticians and experimentalists have collaborated with and/or supported the author in the development of hadronic mechanics (...) As a matter of fact, the author has received to date more support from Jewish scientists than that from Italian colleagues, the author being a U. S. citizen of Italian birth and education. (...) Needless to say, the denial of a Jewish component in the scientific controversies raging on Einstein followers would be a damaging hypocrisy, but we are referring to a very small segment of the Jewish scientific community" (emphasis added)

The article implied that Santilli complains about all Jews. We should make clear that he complains only about some Jewish physicists. --Enric Naval (talk) 14:23, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the sentence "because they were controlled by a group of Jews" is highly misleading.

Editors of this page should read the WP:BLP - Content should:

1. Contain a neutral point of view (NPOV) and

2. Verifiability.

The posted third party quote is incorrect and damaging to Santilli's character. Prof. Santilli has only recorded complaints in his past about harmful individuals, and not a collective group. Invalid third party allegations do not belong here.

From the same WP:BLP page: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing."

-- 208.54.85.149 (talk) 14:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

"Jewish domination of APS' journals" is in the first source for that section, and "led by Weinberg" is in the second, both in his own words. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

The first source that you are using is a Non-Neutral Point of View from a third party that was writing it in reference to a POEM attempting to be humorous that was published in a book. Just because it is in print does not mean it qualifies as being a verifiable, NPOV source to be used on wikipedia.

See screenshot of poem in third party book: http://imgur.com/u8Fqv

It's a contentious source, unjustly damaging to Santilli, and inaccurately shifts the blame from individuals to a collectivist group.

It does not belong here no matter how badly you wish to portray Santilli in a negative light. 208.54.85.149 (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I haven't read the source in question, but I just want to point out that there is no requirement that sources be NPOV--only that the article itself be NPOV. Now, we, of course, wouldn't use an advocacy source to verify a statement of fact. But if, as others are saying, Santilli is actually quoted in the article, and it is not explicitly clear that the claim is a "joke", then the information should say. Misplaced Pages isn't portraying him in a negative light--it seems like, if what Arthur Rubin says is correct, that Santilli portrayed himself in a negative light. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've looked at the sources. The first source by Lustig appears to be reliable. The other (scientificethics.org), does not. The latter is just a random third party group...and looking at their main page, one of their major purposes seems to be to criticize Misplaced Pages (which is fine, WP needs criticism, but that certainly doesn't give an indication that they are a well-written source with a history of reliable fact-checking). I'm going to remove the second source, but keep the first, which I think keeps the information intact. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Can we quote one of Santilli's books? He made a note in his book Hadronic Mathematics, etc. (I quoted the note in my first comment in this section). --Enric Naval (talk) 15:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

We are hacking and counter-hacking Santilli while we are being accused of “scientific fraud” for applying Einstein where He does not belong. But then, hear this! hear this!, Santilli comes to our rescue by enlarging rather substantially the applicability of Einstein’s axioms, thus voiding claims of fraud against us. Check out this paper http://santilli-foundation.org/docs/super-sub-luminal-speeds.pdf and tell me if I am wrong. Under “isorealization” (where “iso” stands to preserve Einstein) SR becomes applicable to all conditions I know. NewWorriedLad (where is WorriedLad?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewWorriedLad (talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You're wrong. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You must really hate the guy for throwing judgment on a highly technical paper without even glancing. This is very damaging to us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewWorriedLad (talk • contribs) 21:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

What makes you think I didn't read the paper? And if you are a member of the "us" referred to in your comment, you shouldn't be editing Misplaced Pages articles related to RS at all. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I understand the RMS paper I quoted came out very recently. You confirm the attacks against us since you imply that Misplaced Pages is not free, especially now with all the fuzz going on on the lack of expansion of the universe. Have you seen The Wall Street Journal?

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130610-903915.html I assume you receive Google Alerts on this, know how many similar news releases on RMS are now out there and expect furtehr damage from your long record. NewWorriedLad — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewWorriedLad (talk • contribs) 22:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I see you are unable to comprehend WP:COI, as well as how to write URLs. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

And that last source was a press release; the WSJ disclaims responsibility for the content. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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