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Can we have a Neutrality Box up top?

This article reads as though it was written entirely by cheerleaders. I looked in vain for any information that wasn't hagiographical or for any controversy that wasn't explained away or softened. Surely we should at least have a box up top that says "The neutrality of this article is disputed." Because I hereby dispute it. Even Mother Teresa's Misplaced Pages article mentions Christopher Hitchens's specific criticisms. This article can't seem to brush past the controversies fast enough. I call foul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.114.120 (talk) 22:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

A box like that can only be shown if there are specific issues that have been pointed out on the talk page. If you saw the box template, you would notice it says "see the talk page". --Demetrioscz (talk) 18:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Here are such issues )in three points), which bring into question the neutrality of the article:

• The claim that Chinmoy Kumar Ghose is or was a "master" is put as given, rather than as merely an opinion of those connected to his particular cult.

• The claim that two domain names, connected to sites critical of Chinmoy Kumar Ghose and advertising services of cult-deprogrammers, were turned over the the cult is not well documented. Specifically, it is claimed this occured under paragraph 15 of WIPO rules. There are several sets of WIPO rules (general, mediation, arbitration); they are organized in numbered paragraphs, and in none of them do I find a "paragraph 15" which would have been the foundation for such a forced transfer (although such a paragraph is mentioned in the WIPO case decision, along with one other reference).

• The suggestion in the article is that WIPO somehow negated the claims made against Ghose. This was not so, nor could it be so. It was not so: The main reason for the transfer seems to be that the names represented the use of a recognized marque of the complainant (Ghose) without his permission and that the registrants of the offending sites had used inappropriate means to conceal their indenties. It could not be so: The panel would not have been competent to hear such a case.--108.1.116.237 (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

If anything has a reliable reference, it can stay in otherwise it can be taken out/edited. Edit as you like. --Demetrioscz (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

intro

Since article is about Sri Chinmoy, it is better to start with Sri Chinmoy, with legal (born name) coming later. Adding dates after name also follows convention for peers. 'Founder of religious organisation Sri Chinmoy Centre inc.' Also, no evidence it is an inc. sounds a bit legal for an introductory chapter. Left out numbers, seems hard to ascertain and perhaps not important. Prolific seems to be more useful. 'including Sri Aurobindo's teachings' - not sure about that.

Hurin333 (talk) 20:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Why "no evidence it is an inc"? It is easy to find it at http://www.nyc.gov/lobbyistsearch/search?client=Sri+Chinmoy+Centre+Church%2C+inc.

Also, there are references confirming religiuos status of Sri Chinmoy Centre Church Inc.

   http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizations/jamaica_ny_11435.asp
   Organization Name --- SRI CHINMOY CENTRE CHURCH,
   Classification --- Religious Organization,
   Exempt Status As Of Date ---- 10/1970

   http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=180476
   Foundation Type --- Church.

--Agafon005 (talk) 08:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Agafon has a point, the 'Inc.' is relevant, since almost all religious organizations are corporations; otherwise they're not eligible for tax-exempt status. It also distinguishes it from other forms of business. Rhowryn (talk) 15:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

November Reversions

Instead of having an edit war, how about we all calm down and discuss what is appropriate to have in the article regarding JustDesserts' additions? Please keep in mind WP:PRIMARY and WP:BLP, specifically WP:BLPPRIMARY. As noted in WP:BLPSTYLE, be dispassionate. Also remember that Misplaced Pages's goal is to document, not analyze. Rhowryn (talk) 06:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

awards

Added some awards with source. Moved section lower down, which seems to be standard on wikipedia articles.Hurin333 (talk) 07:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

OT: How/why did he get so fat?

Regarding his later weightlifting photos: How or why did Chinmoy get so fat? He was an apostle of fitness and slimness up until that. What happened? Softlavender (talk) 00:30, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

So, you think you can delete all my edits but this one is acceptable? Cut it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will McRoy (talk • contribs) 01:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Controversy

When do you mean with "some" ? Postiv quote from other person i found not in article only negativ from Santana.--Richard Reinhardt (talk) 07:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I would say there have been negative and positive quotes from him. It seems to me, that there is someone needs to point only the negative side. Serah1112 (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• From other person quote truley from him gives --Richard Reinhardt (talk) 08:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Please stop deleting my edits

This talk page is full of unsourced opinion. I was actually there, so my story is both relevant (pertaining the defamation already on this page) and accurate. Regarding my edit of the controversy section, how is it inaccurate? There is no confirmation of any sort for her story that Sri Chinmoy said she was from a virgin birth (or the "chosen one") and I, a person who was there, does not remember such stories- nor does anyone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Will McRoy (talk • contribs) 01:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Your personal observations are not considered reliable sources for Misplaced Pages articles. --NeilN 01:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Note that my opinion has been expressed on a talk page that is full of defamatory material. The only edit I made of the article is completely accurate; there is no evidence for Tamm's claims and no one who was there remembers them. Will McRoy (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

From a former member

− Someone keeps deleting this as opinion, despite all sorts of opinions being spouted on this talk page. At least this one is informed.

− − I just read much of the talk page archives and it was interesting to say the least. I was born into the centre and was a member until the early 90s, when my parents left while I was in my early teens. This is the second time I've gone online to find out what people are saying about him. I wasn't surprised by the Christian propaganda (gotta save those souls!). The first time I looked into it was many years ago. That time I found all those rants- discussed on previous talk pages here- from supposed ex members. Well, some of them were real. There were two types of rant: those from real members who decided that it wasn't for them, and crap made up by people who just don't like Sri Chinmoy. The real complaints were mostly based on the fact that the path (as we called it) was a very hard one. This is understandable (there are reasons why I never went back). But the vast majority of the complaints were about Guru ordering disciples to poison dogs for barking too loudly or to attack people who disagreed with them. I laughed at this, but it also angered me that such lies were being spread about teachings I still consider to be valuable.

− − Of course the most notable allegations were of sexual misconduct. My mother was in the inner circle at the time of these supposed acts and she was very surprised when I asked her about them, as I knew she would be. I told her where I heard this and she wasn't surprised either. Christians believe that you have to be one of them in order to avoid eternal damnation. They seem to think God wants them to lie to everybody to avoid him having to throw them all into hell.

− − Apparently a book by an ex member was published a few years ago (cartwheels in a sari, or some such thing. Promos for the book are linked in this article) and the articles I read about it are full of similar lies to those I've read elsewhere (I believe this person likely was a disciple, but she seems to blame the path for everything bad in her life, and has fabricated memories to justify her victim complex. I saw, to a lesser extent, my sister do the same thing).

− − Guru did not discourage education or contact with the general public. I went to public school and was encouraged to do well. We were allowed to dance. My sister went to ballet lessons. We were also allowed to have pets. Most importantly, there was absolutely no story (or stories) of a virgin birth, as the author claims that Guru claims she was a product of. More importantly, this person was not the "chosen one," as no such title existed. Nor was there a caste system, as the author claimed- everyone was equal, despite some of the more devoted disciples being given more personal time with Guru. In short, everything she said was BS.

− − The "controversy" surrounding his weightlifting accomplishments have been mentioned. I read that claim years ago and it stuck with me as silly. To lend himself credibility, the "whistleblower" gave himself what he thought to be a realistic sounding "spiritual name" (something Guru gives to his long time disciples). That name was YogiYan. Anyone familiar with these names will know that it is laughably fake. He seems to think the word yogi makes it sound real when it does the opposite. Anyway, I clearly remember the Guinness Book recognizing his feats (can't find them there now, and I don't know why). I definitely don't remember a Yogiyan being the official photographer (it was a woman whose name I won't mention). I also clearly remember watching the weights being lifted.

− − I think it's a shame that people are so insecure in their religions that they have to make stuff up to discredit others'.

− − But how would I know that all these people are full of crap? Well, I was there. Will McRoy (talk) 01:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Jayanti Tamm

Since her story is completely unsourced- and people who were there have no recollection of her version, I have added the following edit:

"However, there is no confirmation for the author's story. Disciples have no recollection of any virgin birth story or of anyone being the "chosen one," as she claims"

Someone, who has called Sri Chinmoy fat, keeps deleting this. Until independent confirmation of her story is presented, the editor has no business removing this. Will McRoy (talk) 01:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

And I've removed it as you need a source (not yourself) for, "However, there is no confirmation for the author's story. Disciples have no recollection of any virgin birth story..." --NeilN 01:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

You are the one who needs to provide evidence of the story. Until then, it is perfectly correct to point out that there is no confirmation of the story. Either the this needs to be pointed out or her claims need to be removed as not properly sourced. Will McRoy (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That's not Misplaced Pages works. The article says Tamm is claiming something. That is sourced. You need to provide a reliable source that says her claim is not confirmed. --NeilN 01:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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